Guild Wars 2

I know different teams work on different things but a little more effort, or publication of effort, would make me feel less bitter then our class being murdered. If your listening and trying to fix things, tell us. The living story team has no problem flaunting everything they have in store for us and what they are trying to develop.

Im going to play the new drinking game on my ranger, it seems to fit what a ranger would do in real life if you murdered its pet.

Well said. I find the class still fun..until i look around

Class balance is not handled by the Living Story teams. More story content should not be held back until all classes are perfectly balanced. If that were the case they’d never be able to do more story content.

And this does come from someone who still does main a ranger.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Class balance is not handled by the Living Story teams. More story content should not be held back until all classes are perfectly balanced. If that were the case they’d never be able to do more story content.

And this does come from someone who still does main a ranger.

Then I’m afraid we’d never see new content. In GW1, even with no new gear tiers or increasing lvl cap, they were doing balance changes till the end. Some of them were very big, like totally changing effects of elite skill (and elites there were “cores” of builds).

Terkov.4138:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Class balance is not handled by the Living Story teams. More story content should not be held back until all classes are perfectly balanced. If that were the case they’d never be able to do more story content.

And this does come from someone who still does main a ranger.

Then I’m afraid we’d never see new content. In GW1, even with no new gear tiers or increasing lvl cap, they were doing balance changes till the end. Some of them were very big, like totally changing effects of elite skill (and elites there were “cores” of builds).

Exactly.

The bigger threat to our class balance is not Living Story. Living Story is fine continuing as is. It’s the fact that it seems that class balance is only balanced around sPvP, to the detriment of WvW and PvE.

I find the “new content” particularly tedious for a Ranger.
The revolving Force-Walls in AetherRetreat was only 1 example.

The increase in Jump Puzzles & popup mobs where we also have to constantly switch pets from passive to aggressive is also a particularly annoying trend. I’m sure we’ll see even more examples in the coming months… (along with even more content-bias against rangers once “rewards” are rebalanced around early fall)

Avonelle.7465:

Well said. I find the class still fun..until i look around

lol you responded to your own post.

ilr.9675:

I find the “new content” particularly tedious for a Ranger.
The revolving Force-Walls in AetherRetreat was only 1 example.

The increase in Jump Puzzles & popup mobs where we also have to constantly switch pets from passive to aggressive is also a particularly annoying trend. I’m sure we’ll see even more example in the coming months… (along with even more content-bias against rangers once “rewards” are rebalanced around early fall)

Aetherblade Retreat I do agree was not ever playtested with a ranger. Nor was the Southsun ‘dungeon’ (both single and multi-player). All other Living Story and holiday content was perfectly fine with a ranger. Only those two made me grumble as the game forced me to play an alt.

Kreaven.3172:

Avonelle.7465:

Well said. I find the class still fun..until i look around

lol you responded to your own post.

No. They responded to a troll whose post was deleted.

To begin with, I’m not “trolling” (see all my messages)

When the truth is spoken, Accusations of “tolling” is their responses and Punishments

May i say?

I completely agree with everything the OP stated

Is that “trolling” enough"?

Burnfall.9573:

To begin with, I’m not “trolling” (see all my messages)

When the truth is spoken, Accusations of “tolling” is their responses and Punishments

May i say?

I completely agree with everything you said Op.

I have seen your messages, Burn. I’ve also seen many, many of them deleted for the tone and language you use. And they don’t typically delete posts unless another player reports the post.

Now if you had simply said this instead of your previous post than it wouldn’t have been trolling.

SynfulChaot

I get sensational when it comes to Injustice, especially toward the mal-treatments of the Ranger class.

I’ll take your advice into consideration

Players like to blame Anet for all thier troubles. While ranger does have some issues alot of them can be overcome by just know the class.

Alot of other issue are created by the players play style and or combat tactics. What has become the normal tactic for completing most dungeons are not suited to the ranger. That doesnt mean that the ranger is bad it mean that the tactic is.

The other issue is that many don’t think ahead. We know that taking fall damage unstows our pet. So why don’t you guard your pet before your jump. Between the guard and the stow you dont ever really have to deal with your pet.

Don’t put everything on Anet. They have no Idea what will become the norm for dealing with x mobs or x dungeon. Not to meantion that over half of the ways you deal with these things are exploits. Ranger do fine in normal play (mileage will vary according to the expeince of the player).

Serraphin Storm

I want to remind you of the constant nerfs this class have received, epsecially the tremendous nerfs to our pers and our weapons; bows.

They were not issue created by the players.

They were given to us by Arena net, not us.

“So why don’t you guard your pet before your jump. Between the guard and the stow you dont ever really have to deal with your pet”.

Again I remind you (see pets nerf.).

That no longer is possible

So at the end..

You can not Blame the Rangers for anything because we have very limmitted control of anything that deal with our class and our “pets”

We are given No Choice but to accept all Damages and Brokeness to our class due to constant Nerfs.

May i also remind you of the many Wonderful Minded Ideas of Suggestions players had posted in helping Area net to 2nd look the Ranger class,

well they all have been deleted or closed

Who’s to blame?

Where is the choice?

How can you know about a class if everything wonderful about it is constantly being taken away from you? If everything good about it is constantly being used agtainst you?

(Majority of builds that work in our favor, gets nerfed)

May i ask, “are we being Punished for just being Rangers or no”?

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Players like to blame Anet for all thier troubles. While ranger does have some issues alot of them can be overcome by just know the class.

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Ranger do fine in normal play (mileage will vary according to the expeince of the player).

Umm … hate to say it but as good as we know the class, there is only so much we can do. Rangers maybe fine in normal play, aka general PvE, but once you move outside of that into more challenging territory we are in very shaky shape. It is not for no reason that the community as a whole finds ranger to be the weakest class in both dungeons and WvW and near the bottom in PvP. That is not because noone knows how to play the ranger. It is because the ranger has many inherent issues that are greatly affecting our potential. And those inherent issues have hardly been addressed.

I have played my ranger since beta. We are stronger now than any point since release. Choices have been made that not everyone agrees with. Yet we are stronger.

There are those that lead and those that follow. Sharing builds is a good and bad thing. Those that create build understand the class and the context to use the build. when a neft hits they know what to change to keep it viable. alot of those that copy build will never create a great build because the never truely understood the class. The top percent of rangers dont see the class the way the other 90% does. They may not agree but for them it’s not all doom and gloom.

The idea that the Sb is our best weapon has been ingrained in our minds. Its not. It is our easiest weapon. Like all things default to the easiest not the best. Most of you thing the axe is a crappy weapon. Yet it out proforms the sb is some areas. (in my opinion a major area).

Dungeons- I have said this in the past I will bring 5 rangers to any dungeon over 5 of any class. The class isnt weak in dungeons it’s the tactic that have evolved for many dungeon is the problem. Why is it the Heavy classess rarely rally other plays. Why is it the warrior always takes a dirt nap first. If you are the ranger in the group be the one that rally allies be the last to fall or solo the boss to save it from reset. We have the tools to be a force of nature.

Jp- Those who are really good at jump puzzles (those who can run a jp without slowing down) will tell you that you dont need speed boost. Pet’s getting in your way only happens when you fall or make a mistake.

I find that those that lvl their ranger in a day or only mostly with crafting feel the greatest dispear about the class. If this is you go back and take the time to learn the class.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

I have played my ranger since beta. We are stronger now than any point since release. Choices have been made that not everyone agrees with. Yet we are stronger.

There are those that lead and those that follow. Sharing builds is a good and bad thing. Those that create build understand the class and the context to use the build. when a neft hits they know what to change to keep it viable. alot of those that copy build will never create a great build because the never truely understood the class. The top percent of rangers dont see the class the way the other 90% does. They may not agree but for them it’s not all doom and gloom.

The idea that the Sb is our best weapon has been ingrained in our minds. Its not. It is our easiest weapon. Like all things default to the easiest not the best. Most of you thing the axe is a crappy weapon. Yet it out proforms the sb is some areas. (in my opinion a major area).

Dungeons- I have said this in the past I will bring 5 rangers to any dungeon over 5 of any class. The class isnt weak in dungeons it’s the tactic that have evolved for many dungeon is the problem. Why is it the Heavy classess rarely rally other plays. Why is it the warrior always takes a dirt nap first. If you are the ranger in the group be the one that rally allies be the last to fall or solo the boss to save it from reset. We have the tools to be a force of nature.

Jp- Those who are really good at jump puzzles (those who can run a jp without slowing down) will tell you that you dont need speed boost. Pet’s getting in your way only happens when you fall or make a mistake.

I find that those that lvl their ranger in a day or only mostly with crafting feel the greatest dispear about the class. If this is you go back and take the time to learn the class.

You are right on some of these points and a bit off on others.

Yes, we are the strongest we have been since launch, power wise. But we are still severely lacking compared to all other classes. We aren’t saying we are so weak as to be useless. We are saying that we need to work harder than other classes just to perform at the same level as they do without effort. It’s not all ‘doom and gloom’, but there should always be the dialogue on how to improve the class so we don’t remain least wanted in most game modes.

SB is not our best weapon. That is true. It is, however, our best ranged weapon. Yes, the axe can outperform it in some areas. But not all. Single-target the SB is a superior weapon due to it’s higher rate of fire. Especially if you trait Piercing Arrows. LB is better for 900+ range simply because SB range was nerfed to force us to use it. Simply put, SB is the highest DPS ranged weapon the ranger has access to. Now if you’re talking of highest DPS weapon period, all the ranged options pale in comparison to the GS and sword. Personally, as a PvE/dungeon oriented player, I find SB to be our best ranged option for most all situations.

Dungeons – You are right about your suggested tactics for rangers in dungeons. Due to our mobility, and additionally our lower DPS, we should always be the first ones to strive to revive a downed ally. And as a ranger we should always be one of the last, if not the last, one to fall. We should also support our allies with Healing Spring as often as possible as it is, IMHO, the most powerful healing skill in the game in addition to being the longest lasting water field. Unfortunately that is where our utility ends. We have very few other party support skills and too much of our DPS is linked to an AI that cannot deal with the dynamic combat required in dungeons, and as a result dies to heavy boss hits and AoE fields that it just stands in like a kitten. That is the reason rangers are considered near the bottom in dungeon groups. Not that we are useless, just that we bring far less to the table than any other class, through no fault of our own. That being said, I still main my ranger in practically every dungeon and dungeon path.

JP – Yes, rangers are good here. But honestly … who isn’t?

Many who complain on rangers here are people who play them extensively. We complain as even though we are stronger than before, we are still weaker than all of the other classes. And we are still being punished/nerfed in PvE and WvW solely for PvP reasons. Reasons that don’t effect the styles of play found in PvE and WvW. That is why we complain.

while we have our problem to suggest that rangers are unable to do the new content or will be unwelcomed because we are so weak is ridiculous and only hurts the class as a whole.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

while we have our problem to suggest that rangers are unable to do the new content or will be unwelcomed because we are so weak is ridiculous and only hurts the class as a whole.

Our suggestion is to help our fellow rangers become as good as they can be.

To tell them that they will be openly welcomed in dungeons and stuff would be to lie. To tell them that rangers are good in Aetherblade Retreat would be a lie as well as both bosses will kill your pet, multiple times, and regardless of how hard you try to keep it alive. It’s better to tell them ahead of time so they know what kind of community they will need to work with and with strategies to overcome the classes inherent weaknesses.

It’s only hurting the class if your intention is to destroy the class and not to assist the players in getting better and to try to assist ArenaNet in realizing the failings of the class so they can fix it.

I agree, even tho i manage to beat the aetherblades dungeon with my ranger on the first days without much problem really but the last boss was a pain. Couldnt keep the pet alive much due to the AoE cannons and well the pet is stupid to just stay 20 feet away from me in the AoE blast area.

Southsun dungeon was probably the worse with people insulting me and quitting groups because i was a ranger and the pet activated the traps and such lol. Ranger becomes more of a pain with each patch and release pssss and lets not even mention other issues with the class, sadly i kinda refuse to stop playing a ranger even tho i have a guardian which is 1000000 times better. Maybe i am a masochist

NemesiS.6749:

Maybe i am a masochist

Nah. Well … maybe, but that’s beside the point. You’re just a dedicated ranger like the rest of us. ^.^

I had no problem with the southsun dungeon. I did’nt have any trouble with aerblader dungeon either.

Cheap tactic like standing in the corner in the southsun dungeon to make it easy for lvl 1 char to exploit the gold drops is why some had trouble. If you would have played as normal you wont have had trouble. Like I said sometimes its the tactic your using not the ranger class.

While its true that some group specify no ranger or only warriors and Guardians. Group like are playing with the old trinity Idea. Some of the smoothest runs I have had are without those classes. This includes fractals 30+.

Those with the old trinity idea view groups with one or two conans and or thors. The rest are supporting minions. When Thor dies the group dies.

I view groups where each is a Drizzt and Aargon, The white wizard and the like. We are stronger as a whole but still can complete the task should one fall although a bit slower.

Rarly will a good ranger have both pets dead. Ranger are on of the few classes that can ralley themselves. I can tell you how many time I had to fight the shaman in factals alone.

Because I don’t see how some of you are having problems with the simpliest things. It tells me It’s not just the class.

Those that routinly take short cuts need gain some of the skill required to play the class effectivly. In the past ranger have shown videos of why they think the ranger is broken. Most of the those videos just prove how bad some of us play.

You can put it all on the class.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

I had no problem with the southsun dungeon. I did’nt have any trouble with aerblader dungeon either.

Okay. Show me a runthough of the Southsun dungeon where your pet wasn’t tripping all the mines. And show me a runthough of Aetherblade Retreat without your pet going down during the boss fights multiple times. Both without you being forced to stow your pet or tell your pet to stand away from everything doing nothing. When I can see that then I’ll believe you.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Cheap tactic like standing in the corner in the southsun dungeon to make it easy for lvl 1 char to exploit the gold drops is why some had trouble. If you would have played as normal you wont have had trouble. Like I said sometimes its the tactic your using not the ranger class.

Don’t assume we’re all bads, Serraph. Don’t assume the rest of us don’t know how to play. It’s very insulting, you know.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

While its true that some group specify no ranger or only warriors and Guardians. Group like are playing with the old trinity Idea. Some of the smoothest runs I have had are without those classes. This includes fractals 30+.

Those with the old trinity idea view groups with one or two conans and or thors. The rest are supporting minions. When Thor dies the group dies.

I view groups where each is a Drizzt and Aargon, The white wizard and the like. We are stronger as a whole but still can complete the task should one fall although a bit slower.

I’ve also had incredible dungeon runs with odd class mixes. Without the power classes. Even sub-80. I do insist on at least one necro or thief on a particular TA run but you really do need a good pull on that one, which I do provide if needed. Outside of that, I generally party with whoever and don’t exclude any.

Remember because just that the party survives and completes it does not mean we’re a great class. Just that we’re viable. No class isn’t viable at all in dungeons. But due to so much of our damage coming from our pet we lose the most DPS of any class in dungeons, because no matter what you say you cannot keep your pet alive in dungeons though everything. Just most things.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Rarly will a good ranger have both pets dead. Ranger are on of the few classes that can ralley themselves. I can tell you how many time I had to fight the shaman in factals alone.

Yes. Rangers can. And a good ranger will rarely have both pets dead. Most of us skilled rangers have had many situations where we have been the last ones alive against bosses. I’ve only had those experiences on my ranger main and my guardian alt.

But you also need to remember that just because our pets are alive doesn’t necessarily mean they are doing their job. Live pet at my side at range vs dead pet in melee means nothing. Neither is doing their share of DPS, meaning I, as a ranger, am outputting less damage than my compatriots.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Because I don’t see how some of you are having problems with the simpliest things. It tells me It’s not just the class.

Those that routinly take short cuts need gain some of the skill required to play the class effectivly. In the past ranger have shown videos of why they think the ranger is broken. Most of the those videos just prove how bad some of us play.

You can put it all on the class.

We’re not having trouble with the ‘simplest things’, Serraph. We’re acknowledging that the pet AI is a serious hindrance to our performance in dungeons. It is the class’s biggest hinderance. We can do what we can to mitigate it’s impact, but we can’t mitigate it entirely. And that is what holds us back, not just our skill.

And please, please stop acting like you are the only ranger who knows that they’re doing, Serraph. It only makes you look bad.

I never have my pet on passive during a boss fight. If you do then yes you are infact out putting less damage.

If your pet run throught a trap in the southern cove dungeon it’s becuase you the player didnt covert the mide before sending your pet in.

As far as the Ar dungeon I will admit that on the first boss fight my pets died. That is only because I ignored them completely as I run the dungeon more I will be better at it. The second boss fight my ferns hound stays alive the whole fight on most runs. My pets mainly die when I have to rally alot of party members. They take proirty over my pets.

Simple is a relative term. Even if 90% of you don’t agree with me it doesnt change my experence with the class. Alittle attention to detail and forethought go along way.

I play the class as it is. Not what I wish it to be. I dont compare weapon damage to other classess without considering my total damage out put this includes my pet. Now granted If my pet was on passive the whole time or died, then that would be a consideration. There are not so its not.

I don’t claim to be the best ranger in the world far from it. Yes we have issue but those of you that complain the most admittly weaken yourselfs. For what every reason you need to justify it. Only using a bow, setting pets on passive, not healing your pet when it needs it. Not runnning Guard if you have a problem keeping your pet alive. Trying to run a zerker build with the same set up you run on you warrior.

I know what I can do. This is why I know the strength of the ranger. There are things you can’t do and that is why you feel the weakness of the ranger.

I probably have more deaths on my ranger than most of you. Early on I went to ac and solo’ed elite mobs one at a time then 2 at a time then 3. I have learned for each of my 6,424 deaths. I don’t take things on face value. Someone come on the forum with a spreadsheet saying this and that. I go back and do my own test.

There is a big gap in understanding in the 25 to 75 percentile range. When Gw2 first came out everyone scream mobs are to op. Now they are cake. When ranger first get to OR the cry and complain. Months later the same rangers are Soloing Arah bosses.

We had a period of crying and then an age of enlightement. It seems now we have gone back to feeling sorry for ourselves.

I don’t think I am the only ranger that knows what he’s doing I am still learning. I understand that the top 10% rangers can do things I haven’t begun to even dream about. I am content in this.

This is a different in bigging up a problem and trying to over come them. Verses saying there is a problem and there is nothing we can do. Saying there is new content coming out every 2 week and ranger arent invited is doom and gloom. We dont even know what the content is.

Only content that was not tested with rangers in mind has been Aetherblade Retreat and the Southsun dungeon. All other content has been fine. Don’t get me wrong. I’ve done that content on my ranger. Then I switched to an alt on a repeat run and had far less trouble.

And when I do play my ranger, which is most all of the time, my pet rarely dies. My guild actually prefers me on my ranger most all of the time.

Again, it’s not that the ranger is bad. It’s that it’s not good enough to be on par with the other classes. Same effort you give your ranger would give you better results on practically every other class. That’s all.

Do we feel sorry for ourselves? No. Do we acknowledge the issues endemic to the class? Yes. If we don’t then ANet won’t feel it’s a problem and will leave us in this weakened state.

I understand that you do well playing your ranger. I do as well. But do us all a favour and realize that we are not on par with the other classes. We are considered the weakest class in PvE and WvW, and near the bottom in PvP as well. And the more people insist that we are fine, the longer it will take for us to receive the fixes that the class really does need.

Serraphin Storm

It seem to me you’re in agreement with every nerfs the Ranger class receives.

You are Justifying every nerfs that works against the Ranger class but in a good way.

Well

That will never work

You are the only Ranger who believes the Ranger class is Perfect, no matter what damages and wounds that are inflicted to it.

It’s your beliefs, not mine.

It’s a Pity, even in the Real World, many people believes every harm and bad things that’s inflicted to them/ that happen to them, are for their better good.

How about this one; another example..
There are people who are in abusive relationship who believes it’s a good thing. They believe it is for their better good and they will defend, justify and criticize anyone who thinks otherwise.

Quite

Sad

Terkov.4138:

SynfulChaot.3169:

Class balance is not handled by the Living Story teams. More story content should not be held back until all classes are perfectly balanced. If that were the case they’d never be able to do more story content.

And this does come from someone who still does main a ranger.

Then I’m afraid we’d never see new content. In GW1, even with no new gear tiers or increasing lvl cap, they were doing balance changes till the end. Some of them were very big, like totally changing effects of elite skill (and elites there were “cores” of builds).

They actually redesigned an entire class and introduced all new mechanics several years after it came out. The dervish redesign was a whole new take on the original concept and class that was in the game for many years. They also made robust changes to the elementalist and introduced new mechanics to it not long after. Unfortunately the GW1 ranger never got this treatment (it was on the priority list along with paragons and smiting monks).