Guild Wars 2

All spirits can now be launched, knocked down, and knocked back.
Storm Spirit, Frost Spirit, Sun Spirit, Stone Spirit, and Spirit of Nature will now begin their recharge when the spirit dies instead of when the spirit is summoned.
Storm Spirit, Frost Spirit, Sun Spirit, and Stone Spirit: Recharge has been reduced from 60 seconds to 25 seconds.
Spirit of Nature: Recharge has been reduced from 240 seconds to 180 seconds.
Solar Flare: Fixed a bug so this skill no longer applies a duplicate infinite duration blind.

Seriously? Haha GG spirits? Or maybe not. It might not be so bad.

Thoughts?

Basically pets are useless. Pets die = 25s where the ranger is left defenseless.

With no increase to their hp, they have become garbage.

Wrong ranger spirits now act like every other pet summoning skill and goes on cd when the summon dies

Not only that, there’s also people asking for pets to not count for aoe limit of 5. Lol I’ll tell ya what, nothing gets the community going lile a good ol ranger nerf.

histerico.6153:

Wrong ranger spirits now act like every other pet summoning skill and goes on cd when the summon dies

Which makes them bad like every other pet summon.

histerico.6153:

Wrong ranger spirits now act like every other pet summoning skill and goes on cd when the summon dies

yea but there pointless now. ima make a new build that doesnt require them. at all. with better utilitys. and constant burning uptime. time to have fun lol..

Minions are amazing. Just need to know how to use them.

Is there any reason to take spirits in a dungeon now? That CD is going to be extremely painful. I guess I’ll have to rotate spirits OOC unless anet nerfed that too. Can’t have anything like that! Eat your CD silly ranger!!!

Chopps.5047:

Is there any reason to take spirits in a dungeon now? That CD is going to be extremely painful. I guess I’ll have to rotate spirits OOC unless anet nerfed that too. Can’t have anything like that! Eat your CD silly ranger!!!

If you can kill the boss in 25 secs or less.

Well no just running from mob to mob the spirit will be down forever. There won’t be any spirit rangers after this, they completely gutted it.

They said they changed the length and behavior of the cooldown, they didn’t say anything about changing the duration.

Any way you slice it, though, the boon does have a mandatory downtime.

Wait is this a prediction or official?

L2P
Posers, a true ranger doesnt cry when there is a nerf, you merely embraced the nerf, we were born for the sole purpose of being needed. This is nothing but existence!

I had a nice reply all typed up but go figure the forums glitch and I lose it the one god kitten time I don’t select all and copy before clicking post…

Anyways, I’ve been playing GW games since Pre but it’s clear there is nothing left of the old ANet who dreamed of GW2. They had how many weeks to work on skill changes and they did what with that? I’ve had enough of this new company’s lies and incompetence.

I’m uninstalling.
Have fun with your useless profession mechanic, kitten -poor designed traits and utility skills, lazily band-aided weapons, and last but not least your completely ignored profession sub forums and suggestions.

What, this is it? The whole post-PAX patch? I know I said I don’t expect major changes today, that they’ll rather come in the next one, but this looks like some kind of joke. Not even the spirits nerf, but just this lack of… well, anything.

Meanwhile, when Necro gets a nerf, they split the nerf between PvP and the rest of the game. So, you CAN do it Anet, can’t you?

again… well done Anet…. (sarcasm)

I really get the impression that no one over there has a clue what to do with the ranger class…

But then, I have 7 other 80s right now and I will give all the new shinies to my guardian.
Thats for sure

Should have been a PvP only nerf. ArenaNet once again drops the ball.

Can we please just get rid of SPvP already? It’s destroying the game.

Has anyone tried the spirits yet? Do they still have a duration of 1minute? Or are they permanent till dead?

As for the change, this is exactly how I would have changed them. But I would have liked to have seen them move on their own without a 30 pt trait. Would have also been nice if they adjusted the spirits to hit 5 targets with their AE instead of only 3 which was rumored in another thread (I never tested the spirits myself).

On the flip side, the pets are probably now just as useless as all other summonable pets like others have already said. Will be nice to see Rangers disappear from this game entirely.

Soilder.3607:

Wait is this a prediction or official?

Official

Heiltdo.2891:

L2P
Posers, a true ranger doesnt cry when there is a nerf, you merely embraced the nerf, we were born for the sole purpose of being needed. This is nothing but existence!

That’s my MO. But I’m allowed to be disappointed, aren’t I? You guys were the ones that begged for better spirits. Why not less health? I’d take less health over this…patch.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Should have been a PvP only nerf. ArenaNet once again drops the ball.

Can we please just get rid of SPvP already? It’s destroying the game.

Actually can we get rid of pve. It’s ruining the game. Sorry you have to actually use a little skill now to use spirits. I am a ranger main and actually love this change.

spvp is ruining the game for the rest of us.
if you will not split the skills, then end it please. only a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the playerbase even uses that mode of the game.

Do they still auto-die after 60 seconds?

Rufy.6093:

Actually can we get rid of pve. It’s ruining the game. Sorry you have to actually use a little skill now to use spirits. I am a ranger main and actually love this change.

If they want to lose the vast majority of their playerbase I suppose that would be a good idea.

No, really, I think it’s ridiculous to allow the SPvP minority to continue running the game into the ground with their tantrums. This game will never take off as an e-sport and the sooner ArenaNet understands that and cuts their losses the better.

Can anyone confirm if they still only last 60s? If so I’m very disappointed in this change, although I -can- go back to playing spirit ranger how I used to (summon the spirits as needed don’t leave them all up) which was a tad more fun…

On the bright side! If we spawn out spirits and they get instapwned by a heavy AoE build we aren’t forced into a 60s CD….

I’m not as disappointed with the change to spirits as I am about the lack of balance changes as a whole…

Chopps.5047:

Heiltdo.2891:

L2P
Posers, a true ranger doesnt cry when there is a nerf, you merely embraced the nerf, we were born for the sole purpose of being needed. This is nothing but existence!

That’s my MO. But I’m allowed to be disappointed, aren’t I? You guys were the ones that begged for better spirits. Why not less health? I’d take less health over this…patch.

Spirits Recharge on death??!?!? You kidding me? AHAHAHAHAHAHH!

Thats it…….Im done.

You have won Anet, I wont play it anymore.

Every Single advantage we get you nerf us into hell, what was the point of putting ranger in the kitten game Anet? When you knock us down at every single kitten turn huh?!? (I dont care if I get infracted)

To be simple food for everyone else?

Heiltdo. I understand what your saying but, I wont take this anymore. I’ve held out long enough – Good-bye rangers, and good luck.

I cant take it anymore, I refuse to.

Gonna go roll a Guardian or Necro…..sorry Ranger forums forgive me…
If you think im being whiny so be it, you think I give up to easy so be it.
Respect to the rest of you that stay on this train. Good luck your gonna need it.

Roll guardian, it’s untouchable really by the dev team and community. Necro on the other hand…

“auto-death” is still after 60 seconds but you have to wait 25 seconds until you can resummon them.

I suggest every ranger to roll a necro now heres why

1. more burst and condi damage to ranger in all categories.

2. You can literally fear chain people off walls or cliffs and my most fav SKYHAMMER MUHA

3. Condi Burst build that has been out for a while combines. conditions and the terror effect which can pretty much murder any class who is dumb enough to go heads up with a good necro. who can chain it right.

4. And last but not least. you can be noob. and stack condis on everyone oh and my personal favorite. mark BOMBING thats my fav of all 4 lol.. and they said Spirit rangers had no skill to be good. when necro puts out less effort than they even do. even im switching now. ive had it with anet.

Might be better in dungeons if it gets popped before a certain time; I’ll elaborate on this thought later.

Why can’t we just have pvp variants of skills? That would solve everything. It would literally solve EVERYTHING. I’m kittening kitten ed.

Chopps.5047:

Thoughts?

I dunno Chopps. I have the feeling those changes have made the build not viable at all, but it’s probably too early to speak. Still, spirit ranger was extremely boring to play and, more important, was simply harmful for gw2 tpvp. Something had to be made.
What i don’t really like about anet is they design things poorly and then they have to nerf and fix them. This happened with our pets (dmg) and now with our spirits. It’s clearly too hard for them to redesign things properly, nerfing them is soooo much easier.

Awful patch! They just wanted to stop the sheetstorm on the boards, and decided to feed the haters spirit rangers. No balancing involved. Changes weren’t carefully weighted, there was no shaving, they just chopped it so they won’t have to publicly feel ashamed anymore of their own work.

As much as I disliked the petting zoo builds, they still require a full traits and utilities investment to be viable, so right now they aren’t viable anymore. I wonder if the ranger class will ever be given mechanics/utilities other than signets, that aren’t always: dead, pathing, recovering, out of place, etc etc.

Seriously just remove these kittenty spirits already, make them a spirit blessing with X power and Y recast that we can just use to buff ourselves/allies and gg.

Has there ever been another MMO where the universally agreed worst class constantly gets nerfs?

Heiltdo.2891:

L2P
Posers, a true ranger doesnt cry when there is a nerf, you merely embraced the nerf, we were born for the sole purpose of being needed. This is nothing but existence!

Pretty much, L2P. I actually see this patch as a buff to spirits.

If you are running spirits in dungeons, its pretty great. First, the buff effects stays with you even when it dies, if it activated so you dont lose the buffs anyways, assuming it’s position right, it wont die. You really shouldnt be having the spirit trait for it to move in a dungeon anyways. Most trash mobs and Boss fight is in a contained area and since the game favors High and Fast DPS, it would larely become useless as you move on to the next section of the dungeon anyways.

The CD change and reduction is awesome. If anyone used spirits, you would know that the position it spawns at is random around your character so sometimes its hard to get exact perfect position. the new system allows us to summon a spirit again in 25s after it’s death instead of a full 50s+ when it dies the moment its summoned. This allows us to actually be forgiven for messing up the position and allow us to have the spirit up more often. It is also great for WvW, since AoE will insta kill it, forcing us to wait on the longer CD.

The added ability of being CC’ed allows it to be knocked out/pushed back out from AoE, especially in WvW or inside a dungeon. The question remains if it will still give the buff when CC’ed, which wouldnt matter if we already received the buff, then it gets CC’ed.

Spirit of Nature CD reduction, awesome, the CD on it was too long for such a crappy ELite (in most circumstances) so any buff helps for it.

Krugash.4920:

Awful patch! They just wanted to stop the sheetstorm on the boards, and decided to feed the haters spirit rangers. No balancing involved. Changes weren’t carefully weighted, there was no shaving, they just chopped it so they won’t have to publicly feel ashamed anymore of their own work.

Hit the nail on the head there. At first all the whining was about necromancers but then it gradually shifted to spirit rangers and that’s who ended up playing the role of the sacrificial sheep.

We’ve been stuck with the same PvE meta since day one with engineers, necromancers and rangers all being unwanted presences in groups and yet these are the classes who end up being pushed further into the kittencreek due to SPvP. SPvP is actively killing this game.

It actually makes sense, since from a technical standpoint, the cooldown on spirits was the only cooldown in the game that recharged while the summon was active. Now the summons are all in line with each other.

That being said, I’ll be staying off the ranger forums until the community gets its kitten together.

So, this was a buff, you can now bring spirits along without spending a single point in NM and not be boned by their kittenty survivability, I’m liking this “nerf” I see a lot if possibilities appearing because of this…

I’m always amazed at the amount of outcry on this forum, based on changes that aren’t even tested yet. A couple of weeks later, someone finds an entire new and effective Ranger build, and this will all be forgotten.

Kasama.8941:

I’m always amazed at the amount of outcry on this forum, based on changes that aren’t even tested yet. A couple of weeks later, someone finds an entire new and effective Ranger build, and this will all be forgotten.

Until it gets nerfed.

Im all out of optimism.

Dissapointed by the awful huliated patch.

thrice.9184:

Kasama.8941:

I’m always amazed at the amount of outcry on this forum, based on changes that aren’t even tested yet. A couple of weeks later, someone finds an entire new and effective Ranger build, and this will all be forgotten.

Until it gets nerfed.

Im all out of optimism.

How is this different then any other multiplayer game? You either adapt, or stop playing.

To be honest I do not even care about spirits. They were lame before the patch, they remain lame after. Nothing changes there.

Of course, I am speaking from PvE/WvW PoV.

Why are you guys crying? Is it really that hard to setup your spirits before a boss fight to a safe location and then re-summon in 25 seconds for the next fight? This is a buff for you pvers actually. This gives you a shorter CD. How about you l2p pve and be happy that the devs are doing a good job at balancing pve and pvp. Anet is actually losing a good amount of people from pvp because they give you guys priority. So how bout you adapt?

Also myself, when I pve I go zerkers for most gear and focus on traits that give damage. That seems to be best for group play. I can outdps almost anyone and I still have decent toughness. Think you guys are the noobs that give rangers a bad rap. What does a FULL spirits build give to a group seriously, before or after this patch.

Kasama.8941:

thrice.9184:

Kasama.8941:

I’m always amazed at the amount of outcry on this forum, based on changes that aren’t even tested yet. A couple of weeks later, someone finds an entire new and effective Ranger build, and this will all be forgotten.

Until it gets nerfed.

Im all out of optimism.

How is this different then any other multiplayer game? You either adapt, or stop playing.

I’m not gonna argue with anyone today, I’ve had it and plenty of others have had it.

If you want to be the unstoppable, nothings wrong here with the class.. fine do that, but don’t deny anyone else there say.

Im surprised I even lasted this long since the recent pet nerf…..that should have killed me off.

Pets still had there issues before…but I digress….goodnight.

didn’t run spirits before the patch and definitely won’t now. what sucks is they took away the only alternative to bunker in PVP and one less option in PVE. let’s all roll trap ranger and see what anet nerfs next

if spirit actives were actually good and made a difference, this would have been a buff. cuz blowing up spirits would have been a viable solution (kind of like traps). but spirits and their actives have always been crap, except for in spvp. so this nerf makes no difference to me.

Pets are okay. Spirits are also okay.
The ranger is perfectly balanced now imo.

zarcon.7820:

Pets are okay. Spirits are also okay.
The ranger is perfectly balanced now imo.

We must be playing different games.

histerico.6153:

Wrong ranger spirits now act like every other pet summoning skill and goes on cd when the summon dies

Great! So our spirits will now follow us around without us needing to trait for it, and they’ll actively attack/defend on their own instead of just give a buff?

They’ve essentially turned ranger spirits into warrior banners with all the disadvantages of guardian spirit weapons, plus the disadvantage of having to devote trait points to get them to be mobile like guardian spirits.