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Someone in the spvp forum said getting a bird to attack for 9K against a squishy in spvp was “very doable”.

I have tried testing various pets in the mists on the light golem and cannot get anywhere near this figure. I tried 20 points in BM with the 30% pet crit trait, and blowing the cds sick-em, signet of the wild, and signet of the hunt (just before F2 attack).

Does anyone know the build and cds/combo necessary to get that kind of damage?

BTW I am only talking spvp- no WvW or pve advice please.

I heard the golems have relatively high toughness rendering them not squishy. So to test accurately you should find a nice volunteer running zerker gear.

Thanks for the advice! -has anyone actually run a build that can do this in spvp?

my record was 14k on a dolyak, not in pvp but dolyaks have quiet high toughness too, more than a glasscannon player at least.

bird f2 attack hits twice, and these numbers are calculated together, not in a single number, mind you. and you only get such numbers paired with vulnerability, might stacks on your pet ect. i used 30 points bm and had 25 stacks of masters bond on it, then activated rampage as one as well to stack up might stacks on the pet on another mob before blowing its f2 on the dolyak.

in pvp you attack targets that heal themselves, dodge ect so its even easier there to get the might stacks up on your pet with Rao before hitting f2.

Rocklin.4106:

my record was 14k on a dolyak, not in pvp but dolyaks have quiet high toughness too, more than a glasscannon player at least.

bird f2 attack hits twice, and these numbers are calculated together, not in a single number, mind you. and you only get such numbers paired with vulnerability, might stacks on your pet ect. i used 30 points bm and had 25 stacks of masters bond on it, then activated rampage as one as well to stack up might stacks on the pet on another mob before blowing its f2 on the dolyak.

in pvp you attack targets that heal themselves, dodge ect so its even easier there to get the might stacks up on your pet with Rao before hitting f2.

What is a dolyak? Is that some monster in pve? There are several problems with using pve ideas for pvp builds, for example gear differences, the unlikelihood for example that you would build any stacks of masters bond (in spvp you generally have to swap pets a lot-usually on cd), etc. You can get stacks with RoA, however.

Has anyone got such high damage with pets in spvp?

black raven 1xF2 2xautohits glascannon ele was downed
works nice in spvp, but in tpvp vs people with experience not so good but its works

Heavy golem dead in 2.7 secs

1 frag per 2 minutes... okay ^^

Remeber me - how often it can be done by thief?
And what your jaguar will do against live enemy, who will not stay at place and will use some cc abilities?

SilverWF.4789:

1 frag per 2 minutes… okay ^^

Remeber me – how often it can be done by thief?
And what your jaguar will do against live enemy, who will not stay at place and will use some cc abilities?

this was just to show the power the pet can have if fully speced into them.. which i dont do in s/tpvp

was just a test on how fast I could drop a golem

but when i test a build..it should be usefull
and this is not very usefull :>

Bambula.3649:

black raven 1xF2 2xautohits glascannon ele was downed
works nice in spvp, but in tpvp vs people with experience not so good but its works

I’ve noticed pet builds work BETTER against experienced players because they use their dodges to dodge -your- attacks not your pets attacks.

Did any of you note the damage? Did you get 9K? If so what was the build and combination to get that level of dadamage? (thanks!)

Yasha.5963:

Did any of you note the damage? Did you get 9K? If so what was the build and combination to get that level of dadamage? (thanks!)

srry i dont remember the build, i only chose pet damage traits for every trait, this was a seriously gimped build just so the pet could be awsome, not very practical

firebreathz.7692:

Yasha.5963:

Did any of you note the damage? Did you get 9K? If so what was the build and combination to get that level of dadamage? (thanks!)

srry i dont remember the build, i only chose pet damage traits for every trait, this was a seriously gimped build just so the pet could be awsome, not very practical

Yes I can get the pet to do lots of damage, but I haven’t seen it do 9K through the f2 ability yet; that ability for the pet to burst (for 9K) is what I am trying to track down.

Yasha.5963:

firebreathz.7692:

Yasha.5963:

Did any of you note the damage? Did you get 9K? If so what was the build and combination to get that level of dadamage? (thanks!)

srry i dont remember the build, i only chose pet damage traits for every trait, this was a seriously gimped build just so the pet could be awsome, not very practical

Yes I can get the pet to do lots of damage, but I haven’t seen it do 9K through the f2 ability yet; that ability for the pet to burst (for 9K) is what I am trying to track down.

the raven has a double attack so if you can get 4.5k with high stacks vulnerability and might on pet then this is probably how it was achieved

with 25 mastery points spent in BM ive seen Jaguar do 9k dmg to a Warrior with frienzy.From my experience in BM builds i know that birds do a little more “clear” number than cats but cats i think they do more dmg overall.Birds hit hard with the F2 and autohits and i think is possibly to reach 9k numbers with some buffs.It would be like 4,5k 4,5k since it attacks twice

LOL my master of overkill stands at 270,231 in one hit

.but it was vs a Rat
As for Black Raven , great for vulnerability it can solo any regular mob in Wv3 with 0 BM trait so have no doubt 9k is acheivable in PvP; but for sPvP I prefer spider for CC + a healing pet

Dardamaniac.1295:

with 25 mastery points spent in BM ive seen Jaguar do 9k dmg to a Warrior with frienzy.From my experience in BM builds i know that birds do a little more “clear” number than cats but cats i think they do more dmg overall.Birds hit hard with the F2 and autohits and i think is possibly to reach 9k numbers with some buffs.It would be like 4,5k 4,5k since it attacks twice

Yes I agree with you on cats versus birds-note that Warrior takes 50% more damage in frenzy so that would have been 4.5K damage (still a lot!).

I am wondering if anyone can clearly lay out how to acheieve this “easily doable” 9k burst though?

I mean we all know that pets can do a lot of damage, and that under some conditions can do more- but when I run a BM type build pets seem to do around 2K damage, with some hits for a bit less some for more. That is far, far away from 9K.

What am I doing wrong?

I dont think there is a reliable method for that amount of damage.. its very situational

firebreathz.7692:

I dont think there is a reliable method for that amount of damage.. its very situational

Agree..Its something situational,maybe they meant putting 9k in something like 5 secs..

Dardamaniac.1295:

firebreathz.7692:

I dont think there is a reliable method for that amount of damage.. its very situational

Agree..Its something situational,maybe they meant putting 9k in something like 5 secs..

No they said their mesmer got hit for 9K (burst) by a pet. Another poster said it was “easily doable”. Perhaps they were just speaking through their kitten, but if such power is possible I would like to give it a try.

Responding to your question if rangers actually run ravens BM builds in sPvP… I know one ranger who runs it in tPvP. He won’t tell anyone his build but he just lets hit pet attack people while he kites them. It’s not much of a team fight build but it works well in 1 on 1s and 1 on 2s.

So basically, would you agree that it is not possible to get 9K damage from a pet except under very special circumstances, like hitting a warrior in frenzy when you have many stacks of might built up?

Yasha.5963:

Dardamaniac.1295:

with 25 mastery points spent in BM ive seen Jaguar do 9k dmg to a Warrior with frienzy.From my experience in BM builds i know that birds do a little more “clear” number than cats but cats i think they do more dmg overall.Birds hit hard with the F2 and autohits and i think is possibly to reach 9k numbers with some buffs.It would be like 4,5k 4,5k since it attacks twice

Yes I agree with you on cats versus birds-note that Warrior takes 50% more damage in frenzy so that would have been 4.5K damage (still a lot!).

I am wondering if anyone can clearly lay out how to acheieve this “easily doable” 9k burst though?

I mean we all know that pets can do a lot of damage, and that under some conditions can do more- but when I run a BM type build pets seem to do around 2K damage, with some hits for a bit less some for more. That is far, far away from 9K.

What am I doing wrong?

9k vs a target that takes 50% more damage means the jaguar hit for 6k, not 4.5k. Since the bird does two attacks, this same build could likely achieve a hit for 9k if used with a bird.

I wouldn’t say you were doing anything wrong, my pets do similar damage, these are one-off crits probably with gear for max crit damage, there is a trait for it, and i’d assume activating signet of wild before f2.

I’ve been doing some duelling lately and my wolf crits for 4k on glasscannons on the third hit of his chain I believe. I only have 10 in BM for shout cd . I do have 30 in skirmishing tho but I do run rabid jewelry..

I think if timed with some signet use and a vulnerable target (from frenzy or conditions) I could possiblely see a 9k hit with my bird. Not sure I could pull that often though.

Yasha.5963:

Someone in the spvp forum said getting a bird to attack for 9K against a squishy in spvp was “very doable”.

[…]

Does anyone know the build and cds/combo necessary to get that kind of damage?

To clarify this: (I just tested all of this on the light golem)

Assuming you put 30 points in Beastmastery and have the “pets prowess” trait from the skirmishing tree and the 3 Stacks of might from “mighty swap” up the damage is as follows: (this is without sick’em or signet of the wild)

The bird autoattack hits twice and can crit for 1500 each possibly resulting in a 3k crit.

The F2 from hawks and eagles (6s cooldown and bleed) and from owls (20s cooldown and chill) hits twice and can crit for 2500 each possibly resulting in a 5k crit.

The F2 from ravens (20s cooldown and blind) also hits twice and after several tries I had it critting for 3900 each resulting in an overall crit of almost 8k.

So to answer your question: Add in some more might stacks and maybe some vulnerability on the target and yes it is “very doable” but only with the raven F2 due to its insane damage.
If Eurantien is correct and a scholar without toughness has even lower armor then the light golem then you don’t even need those.
With say 15 stacks of might from “Rampage as one” and “Signet of the Wild” active it could probably even hit for 10 or 12k damage

Simi.3254:

Yasha.5963:

Someone in the spvp forum said getting a bird to attack for 9K against a squishy in spvp was “very doable”.

[…]

Does anyone know the build and cds/combo necessary to get that kind of damage?

To clarify this: (I just tested all of this on the light golem)

Assuming you put 30 points in Beastmastery and have the “pets prowess” trait from the skirmishing tree and the 3 Stacks of might from “mighty swap” up the damage is as follows: (this is without sick’em or signet of the wild)

The bird autoattack hits twice and can crit for 1500 each possibly resulting in a 3k crit.

The F2 from hawks and eagles (6s cooldown and bleed) and from owls (20s cooldown and chill) hits twice and can crit for 2500 each possibly resulting in a 5k crit.

The F2 from ravens (20s cooldown and blind) also hits twice and after several tries I had it critting for 3900 each resulting in an overall crit of almost 8k.

So to answer your question: Add in some more might stacks and maybe some vulnerability on the target and yes it is “very doable” but only with the raven F2 due to its insane damage.
If Eurantien is correct and a scholar without toughness has even lower armor then the light golem then you don’t even need those.
With say 15 stacks of might from “Rampage as one” and “Signet of the Wild” active it could probably even hit for 10 or 12k damage

I’d say that pretty much meets what I saw last night as well, still think I’ll stick to the hawk and eagle for the faster F2.