Guild Wars 2

Special Circumstances
*Opening Strike damage procs were assigned to highest hitting attacks to emphasize difference in damage
*Damage trial was originally 30 seconds, doubled damage dealt within 30 seconds time frame to match amount of fury procs within 60 seconds
*Predator’s Onslaught damage increase assumed to maintain effect during the DPS trial
*Total of 18 self fury procs within 60 seconds (2 from Clarion Bond, 6 from weapon swap, 6 from Two-Handed Training, 4 from Strength of the Pack), assuming you can get all your fury procs
*Damage numbers given are base damage, so no outside stats are influencing the numbers given, aside from Two-Handed Training
*Weapons used were Sword/Axe and Greatsword

Damage Trials, 30 seconds
+ = Opening Strike Proc

816 l 476
816+ l 476
1142+ l 544
748 l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
1142+ l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
514 l 816
393 l 816
393 l 1142+
514 l 748
1142+ l 393
748 l 393
476 l 1142+
476 l 393
544 l 393
816+ l 514
816+

Overall Damage in 30 seconds
*Remorseless: 26,549.5
*Predator’s Onslaught: 26,736.6

Overall Damage in 60 seconds
*Remorseless: 53,099
*Predator’s Onslaught: 53,473.2

Summary
Under the perfect circumstances, Remorseless is able to compete with Predator’s Onslaught with a difference of .7% damage. However, this circumstance isn’t able to be achieved causing the amount of damage to be a difference of 10-15% damage difference, making Remorseless roughly 46,500-48,500 total damage in 60 seconds. Until Remorseless is reworked, the trait is only viable if there is constant fury being given from outside sources. This trait is also helpful if your group lacks vulnerbility making it more viable; although, with other professions being able to sustain vulnerbility through their own traitlines, this trait wouldn’t really be needed in most group compositions due to other classes applying their own sources of vulnerbility.

Edited to include weapons used, reason for most cases not requiring the additional vulnerbility, and read as damage instead of DPS for more approiate numbers.

Would be easier to translate from 60 seconds to 30 seconds, but whatever :v

Pretty sure well timed Mauls and Paths of Scars with the buff would mean Remorseless has usefulness, but as it stands the 10% static increase is probably the most reliable considering how little effort is required. Shame really, I liked the new Remorseless.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

Pretty sure well timed Mauls and Paths of Scars with the buff would mean Remorseless has usefulness, but as it stands the 10% static increase is probably the most reliable considering how little effort is required. Shame really, I liked the new Remorseless.

I did indicate that I applied Opening Strike to the more hard hitting attacks, Maul and Patch of Scars. Although controlling your procs for each of those attacks will prove difficult or either not possible due to how precise you would have to be for all of them to proc at the right time.

Opening strike proc from same attack that give furry so you can’t use maul from autoattac furry.,

Rizo.9534:

Opening strike proc from same attack that give furry so you can’t use maul from autoattac furry.,

*Opening Strike damage procs were assigned to highest hitting attacks to emphasize difference in damage

Says right at top under Special Circumstances, lol.

Hmm, was skeptical about Remorseless, back to PO

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…
Edit: Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqgEtgyehhc
Edit: here is a way less sloppy rotation that is 147.6k, making the dps rougly 5k. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb3jUszqEJk

Eval.2371:

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…

I used an unbreakable golem in the PvP lobby to perform my DPS trial. True, Remorseless is better for short encounters, but you can’t always rely on a group to make that situation possible because of the quality of the group. Weapons used in the rotation were Sword/Axe and Greatsword, and timing your Opening Strikes Maul, Swoop, and Path of Scars won’t always be successful 100% of the time. The reason why you are doing more DPS in comparison is because I used the numbers for the base damage without any outside sources affecting the damage, I included that detail under Special Circumstances so people would understand that detail… >_>

Redemer.2601:

Eval.2371:

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

You are indeed getting more Opening Strike procs and gain 75 ferocity, but you are losing out on 175 power (assuming you use Scholar Runes instead.) More Opening Strike procs are nice, but I don’t think it would justify the amount of damage lost in return.

Eval.2371:

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…
Edit: Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqgEtgyehhc

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

Redemer.2601:

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

did you even look at the video? Im a melee ranger. Please stop being a troll hivemind who has no idea what their talking about.

As for runes, that’s scholar runes and Valkyrie accessory. The damage could be higher if I picked up one of the zerker based accessories as I would have higher than 11% crit chance.

Additionally it would be higher if i bothered to use Rampage as One.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

rotation were Sword/Axe and Greatsword, and timing your Opening Strikes Maul, Swoop, and Path of Scars won’t always be successful 100% of the time.

Why can’t you? you control when your character attacks. Turn auto attack off. Controlling your remorseless procs takes some minor management, which I do in pve and wvw regularly.

Additionally I would like to add the fact I don’t bother with beast mastery. So no two-handed mastery. I have less remorseless procs than you do.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

The reason why you are doing more DPS in comparison is because I used the numbers for the base damage without any outside sources affecting the damage, I included that detail under Special Circumstances so people would understand that detail… >_>

Ok I missed that detail.

Practically your scenario will always be a false representation of the numbers and is geared towards predators onslaught. Why? In pve you will use all modifiers you have access to. Base damage is the wrong way to go about ranger dps calcs because the meat and potatoes of where the class excels is amplifying its damage with those modifiers. Which is the whole point of the viable remorseless builds.

Eval.2371:

Redemer.2601:

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

did you even look at the video? Im a melee ranger. Please stop being a troll hivemind who has no idea what their talking about.

As for runes, that’s scholar runes and Valkyrie accessory. The damage could be higher if I picked up one of the zerker based accessories as I would have higher than 11% crit chance.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

rotation were Sword/Axe and Greatsword, and timing your Opening Strikes Maul, Swoop, and Path of Scars won’t always be successful 100% of the time.

Why can’t you? you control when your character attacks. Turn auto attack off. Controlling your remorseless procs takes some minor management, which I do in pve and wvw regularly.

Additionally I would like to add the fact I don’t bother with beast mastery. So no two-handed mastery. I have less remorseless procs than you do.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

The reason why you are doing more DPS in comparison is because I used the numbers for the base damage without any outside sources affecting the damage, I included that detail under Special Circumstances so people would understand that detail… >_>

Ok I missed that detail.

Practically your scenario will always be a false representation of the numbers and is geared towards predators onslaught. Why? In pve you will use all modifiers you have access to. Base damage is the wrong way to go about ranger dps calcs because the meat and potatoes of where the class excels is amplifying its damage with those modifiers. Which is the whole point of the viable remorseless builds.

instead of calling me troll try rage runes with a knights build or try valkery and U still do dmg and can take a hit. pure zerk remorseless build work some but since your a glass cannon you will die a LOT if you go melee havent tried soldier yet but seems like it would work pretty good aswell since U dont need the crit chance only the crit dmg
ps dont troll read and test

Redemer.2601:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

rotation were Sword/Axe and Greatsword, and timing your Opening Strikes Maul, Swoop, and Path of Scars won’t always be successful 100% of the time.

Why can’t you? you control when your character attacks. Turn auto attack off. Controlling your remorseless procs takes some minor management, which I do in pve and wvw regularly.

Additionally I would like to add the fact I don’t bother with beast mastery. So no two-handed mastery. I have less remorseless procs than you do.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

The reason why you are doing more DPS in comparison is because I used the numbers for the base damage without any outside sources affecting the damage, I included that detail under Special Circumstances so people would understand that detail… >_>

Ok I missed that detail.

Practically your scenario will always be a false representation of the numbers and is geared towards predators onslaught. Why? In pve you will use all modifiers you have access to. Base damage is the wrong way to go about ranger dps calcs because the meat and potatoes of where the class excels is amplifying its damage with those modifiers. Which is the whole point of the viable remorseless builds.

It isn’t a matter of controlling the character, it’s a matter of the situation; landing your procs may be interrupted through a knock-back, daze, freeze, blinds, or just missing. That’s what I mean you can’t be successful 100% of the time when it comes to landing your procs, you won’t always be precise.

I understand that the base damage won’t represent our potential DPS, depending on choice of gear. The reason why I chose to represent the base damage is so that you can use that as a base and build on top of that with modifiers you would choose and stats given through your choice of gear. If I was to use zerker for example and display my numbers from the combat log, it wouldn’t be a fair comparison because of the chance of landing critical hits; rng would determine on how successful your crits were, like you could be unlucky and only hit 40% of the time while in another scenario you would be around 80%. Due to how rng works and how it could widely vary, I decided to use the base damage as the base of the results.

Redemer.2601:

instead of calling me troll try rage runes with a knights build or try valkery and U still do dmg and can take a hit. pure zerk remorseless build work some but since your a glass cannon you will die a LOT if you go melee havent tried soldier yet but seems like it would work pretty good aswell since U dont need the crit chance only the crit dmg
ps dont troll read and test

The point of this thread is(which you seemed to have missed and jumped to almost random conclusions on); to compare dps of remorseless vs pred onslaught.

I have tried all kinds of things for runes: ranger, pack, scholar, wurm, evasion the list goes on. The highest damage rune set available in the area we are testing is scholars runes with berserk accessories.

You are correct that you need an optimal combination of crit damage and power for a remorseless build. However, in contrast, you need the power and crit chance in a predators onslaught build.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

It isn’t a matter of controlling the character, it’s a matter of the situation; landing your procs may be interrupted through a knock-back, daze, freeze, blinds, or just missing. That’s what I mean you can’t be successful 100% of the time when it comes to landing your procs, you won’t always be precise.

It’s commonly accepted that a dps rotation is assumed to be not interrupted.

Why?

90% of the mobs have the exact same attack pattern and don’t offer much aside from damage. Just like the golem they do not interrupt you. The mob is also assumed attacking another party member so there is no reason to break the rotation. Your saying the best case scenarios are scraped(which are encountered more often in pve) because of a niche occurrence?

Additionally it would be assumed that both builds would be interrupted at the exact same time. Therefore both optimal rotation goes out the window. EG both groups have to cancel maul to dodge. Therefore they lose the same attack. So it cancles each other out.

Finally, as I stated above the shorter the rotations the better the Remorseless will do. Meaning if the rotation is interrupted/reset, the remorseless build would have an unfair advantage over the Pred build.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

I understand that the base damage won’t represent our potential DPS, depending on choice of gear. The reason why I chose to represent the base damage is so that you can use that as a base and build on top of that with modifiers you would choose and stats given through your choice of armor. If I was to use zerker for example and display my numbers from the combat log, it wouldn’t be a fair comparison because of the chance of landing critical hits; rng would determine on how successful your crits were, like you could be unlucky and only hit 40% of the time while in another scenario you would be around 80%. Due to how rng works and how it could widely vary, I decided to use the base damage as the base of the results.

This is why avgs are used when comparing dps. Series of 5-10 thirty second rotation avgs are widely accepted as the dps. Also, just like crit chance, damage varies; quiet a bit too as weapon damage is a range. If you use the logic above you would have throw out base damage as well because its also RNG..

In regards to gear, full zerker with scholar runes is most optimal for both builds. That is your gear control.

If you would like to talk about potential damage, I’d love too but outside of this thread.

I would like to add I am not trying to single you out , I am just critical, and trying to be constructive to a fair comparison. I am not saying your wrong(I totally believe both are very close dps wise), which is maybe how my last two posts came across as.

Eval.2371:

Redemer.2601:

instead of calling me troll try rage runes with a knights build or try valkery and U still do dmg and can take a hit. pure zerk remorseless build work some but since your a glass cannon you will die a LOT if you go melee havent tried soldier yet but seems like it would work pretty good aswell since U dont need the crit chance only the crit dmg
ps dont troll read and test

The point of this thread is(which you seemed to have missed and jumped to almost random conclusions on); to compare dps of remorseless vs pred onslaught.

I have tried all kinds of things for runes: ranger, pack, scholar, wurm, evasion the list goes on. The highest damage rune set available in the area we are testing is scholars runes with berserk accessories.

You are correct that you need an optimal combination of crit damage and power for a remorseless build. However, in contrast, you need the power and crit chance in a predators onslaught build.

my entire point was while it is more focused on burst U can make it into an more sustainable dmg like predators onslaught and it works better for a GS LB build

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Summary
Under the perfect circumstances, Remorseless is able to compete with Predator’s Onslaught with a difference of .7% damage. However, this circumstance isn’t able to be achieved causing the amount of damage to be a difference of 10-15% damage difference, making Remorseless roughly 46,500-48,500 total damage in 60 seconds. Until Remorseless is reworked, the trait is only viable if there is constant fury being given from outside sources.

Edited to include weapons used.

You seem to be disregarding the party wide dps boost gained from the extra vuln stacks. Also the “perfect situation” is not that hard to come by. One ele blasting his lava font & either no deep freeze, or a fast deep freeze pretty much does it. (assuming you are in a somewhat organized group) If your ele knows ranger mechanics he can just blast fury whenever vuln drops below 22-23 to make things even more effective.

Redemer.2601:

Eval.2371:

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…
Edit: Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqgEtgyehhc

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

Rune of rage is pretty weak. " 25% chance when struck to gain fury for 15 seconds. (Cooldown: 30s)" This is the only thing on it that affects opening strikes, but not only does it have a 30s icd, it also only has a 25% change to trigger while struck, you gotta ask yourself how often do you get struck in a bossfight?

Sina.9208:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Summary
Under the perfect circumstances, Remorseless is able to compete with Predator’s Onslaught with a difference of .7% damage. However, this circumstance isn’t able to be achieved causing the amount of damage to be a difference of 10-15% damage difference, making Remorseless roughly 46,500-48,500 total damage in 60 seconds. Until Remorseless is reworked, the trait is only viable if there is constant fury being given from outside sources.

Edited to include weapons used.

You seem to be disregarding the party wide dps boost gained from the extra vuln stacks. Also the “perfect situation” is not that hard to come by. One ele blasting his lava font & either no deep freeze, or a fast deep freeze pretty much does it. (assuming you are in a somewhat organized group) If your ele knows ranger mechanics he can just blast fury whenever vuln drops below 22-23 to make things even more effective.

Redemer.2601:

Eval.2371:

3 questions and a statement.

What is your test mob? I am assuming unbreakable golem?

You do realize remorseless is burst oriented vs extended dps right?
(meaning it will be better towards shorter encounters)

Lastly, what weapon and skills are you using? the only time Opening strike should be consumed is for maul, path of scars and swoop.

If it is a target golem(industructable)your testing on, I can upload a sloppy 60.31k in 30 seconds of remorseless build damage with Valkyrie/scholar . If not please let know which mob your doing your trails on and i’ll match your tests with my own gear setups for science.

I am kinda skeptical of your numbers… its very easy to do a single maul for half your total dps rotation(30sec).

Edit:derp missed the w on weapon…
Edit: Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqgEtgyehhc

change those now crappy ranger runes for rage runes with remorseless and done not just burst anymore pop rapid fire and watch the fireshow

Rune of rage is pretty weak. " 25% chance when struck to gain fury for 15 seconds. (Cooldown: 30s)" This is the only thing on it that affects opening strikes, but not only does it have a 30s icd, it also only has a 25% change to trigger while struck, you gotta ask yourself how often do you get struck in a bossfight?

it wasent meant for boss fights

Sina.9208:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Summary
Under the perfect circumstances, Remorseless is able to compete with Predator’s Onslaught with a difference of .7% damage. However, this circumstance isn’t able to be achieved causing the amount of damage to be a difference of 10-15% damage difference, making Remorseless roughly 46,500-48,500 total damage in 60 seconds. Until Remorseless is reworked, the trait is only viable if there is constant fury being given from outside sources.

Edited to include weapons used.

You seem to be disregarding the party wide dps boost gained from the extra vuln stacks. Also the “perfect situation” is not that hard to come by. One ele blasting his lava font & either no deep freeze, or a fast deep freeze pretty much does it. (assuming you are in a somewhat organized group) If your ele knows ranger mechanics he can just blast fury whenever vuln drops below 22-23 to make things even more effective.

I’m aware of the amount of vulnerbility we can apply, although that shouldn’t really be worried about due so how much vulnerbility can be sustained from other classes through traitlines that don’t require as much investment. If you have an Engi in the group, they themself can maintain max vulnerbility by just spamming grenade kit. In an organized group, yes, this trait can be more worthwhile because of the fury being given from outside sources. Although, I don’t expect much players to know Ranger mechanics due to lack of experience or ignorance. Not calling it out for the entire Ele community, but most I have pugged with just stay in fire for staff and place icebow down. Definitely seeing more Eles learning the benefit of stacking might, but a Warrior with Phalanx Strength will tend to make the Ele not worry about might stacking so no source of fury from them. :/

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Sina.9208:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Summary
Under the perfect circumstances, Remorseless is able to compete with Predator’s Onslaught with a difference of .7% damage. However, this circumstance isn’t able to be achieved causing the amount of damage to be a difference of 10-15% damage difference, making Remorseless roughly 46,500-48,500 total damage in 60 seconds. Until Remorseless is reworked, the trait is only viable if there is constant fury being given from outside sources.

Edited to include weapons used.

You seem to be disregarding the party wide dps boost gained from the extra vuln stacks. Also the “perfect situation” is not that hard to come by. One ele blasting his lava font & either no deep freeze, or a fast deep freeze pretty much does it. (assuming you are in a somewhat organized group) If your ele knows ranger mechanics he can just blast fury whenever vuln drops below 22-23 to make things even more effective.

I’m aware of the amount of vulnerbility we can apply, although that shouldn’t really be worried about due so how much vulnerbility can be sustained from other classes through traitlines. If you have an Engi in the group, they themself can maintain max vulnerbility by just spamming grenade kit. In an organized group, yes, this trait can be more worthwhile because of the fury being given from outside sources. Although, I don’t expect much players to know Ranger mechanics due to lack of experience or ignorance. Not calling it out for the entire Ele community, but most I have pugged with just stay in fire for staff and place icebow down. Definitely seeing more Eles learning the benefit of stacking might, but a Warrior with Phalanx Strength will tend to make the Ele not worry about might stacking so no source of fury from them. :/

Usually having engi+ranger is a no go, but ranger too can do 25 stacks of vuln if the eles are helping. Also there is something else too, usually eles use glyph of storms to achive high amount of vuln stacks at the start of the fight, but if you have a remorseless ranger, they can use the glyph in fire attunement for some substantial extra burn dmg.(assuming 0 +condi dmg gear ofc)

Personally I think both builds deserve to be considered meta ranger builds. (the remorseless build still needs 2 upvotes on metabattle: http://metabattle.com/wiki/Special:Rating?name=Build:Ranger_-_S/A_GS_Quick_Draw)

Doesn’t the Vuln from Remorseless builds benefit the entire group though? I imagine it’d be better for overall group DPS.

Lome.8239:

Doesn’t the Vuln from Remorseless builds benefit the entire group though? I imagine it’d be better for overall group DPS.

Yes, the vulnerbility that is given though Remorseless does benefit the group; however, with other classes having access to their own ways to apply vulnerbility either through traitlines or weapons, vulnerbility is able to be sustained through other classes. Depending on the group composition, this trait will be more viable, although in most cases it isn’t needed.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Special Circumstances

*DPS trial was originally 30 seconds, doubled damage dealt within 30 seconds time frame to match amount of fury procs within 60 seconds

Overall DPS in 30 seconds
*Remorseless: 26,549.5
*Predator’s Onslaught: 26,736.6

Overall DPS in 60 seconds
*Remorseless: 53,099
*Predator’s Onslaught: 53,473.2

For clarity’s sake: this isn’t DPS, is it? This is total damage dealt? DPS would be 26,549/30, 26,736/30, 53099/60, and 53473/60, right?

Also your first comment indicates that you were having trouble with varying time units… recommend you actually use DPS (i.e. damage per second) as your unit of measure and you will avoid any problems like this in the future.

Good work though, thanks for investigating this.

SharkBall.5829:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Special Circumstances

*DPS trial was originally 30 seconds, doubled damage dealt within 30 seconds time frame to match amount of fury procs within 60 seconds

Overall DPS in 30 seconds
*Remorseless: 26,549.5
*Predator’s Onslaught: 26,736.6

Overall DPS in 60 seconds
*Remorseless: 53,099
*Predator’s Onslaught: 53,473.2

For clarity’s sake: this isn’t DPS, is it? This is total damage dealt? DPS would be 26,549/30, 26,736/30, 53099/60, and 53473/60, right?

Also your first comment indicates that you were having trouble with varying time units… recommend you actually use DPS (i.e. damage per second) as your unit of measure and you will avoid any problems like this in the future.

Good work though, thanks for investigating this.

Thanks for the feedback, changed it to Overall Damage instead of Overall DPS. Tend to use the anogram, DPS, freely so that was a mistake on my part.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

*Damage numbers given are base damage, so no outside stats are influencing the numbers given, aside from Two-Handed Training
*Weapons used were Sword/Axe and Greatsword

Damage Trials, 30 seconds
+ = Opening Strike Proc

816 l 476
816+ l 476
1142+ l 544
748 l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
1142+ l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
514 l 816
393 l 816
393 l 1142+
514 l 748
1142+ l 393
748 l 393
476 l 1142+
476 l 393
544 l 393
816+ l 514
816+

How exactly did you calculate/record these damage numbers?

Solandri.9640:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

*Damage numbers given are base damage, so no outside stats are influencing the numbers given, aside from Two-Handed Training
*Weapons used were Sword/Axe and Greatsword

Damage Trials, 30 seconds
+ = Opening Strike Proc

816 l 476
816+ l 476
1142+ l 544
748 l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
1142+ l 476
393 l 476
393 l 544
514 l 816
393 l 816
393 l 1142+
514 l 748
1142+ l 393
748 l 393
476 l 1142+
476 l 393
544 l 393
816+ l 514
816+

How exactly did you calculate/record these damage numbers?

Timed myself for 30 seconds, then recorded and did the math with the damage information through the combat log. The numbers given are the base damage for the skills, so no outside sources from armor, weapons, and trinkets are effecting the numbers given; with the exception of Two-Handed Training to maximize self fury procs.

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Timed myself for 30 seconds, then recorded and did the math with the damage information through the combat log. The numbers given are the base damage for the skills, so no outside sources from armor, weapons, and trinkets are effecting the numbers given; with the exception of Two-Handed Training to maximize self fury procs.

So what is the left column vs the right column? And how are you keeping PO active when you don’t have sword equipped, or are you just using sword continuously for the PO damage figures?

Solandri.9640:

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

Timed myself for 30 seconds, then recorded and did the math with the damage information through the combat log. The numbers given are the base damage for the skills, so no outside sources from armor, weapons, and trinkets are effecting the numbers given; with the exception of Two-Handed Training to maximize self fury procs.

So what is the left column vs the right column? And how are you keeping PO active when you don’t have sword equipped, or are you just using sword continuously for the PO damage figures?

Columns are read in order going down, so left then continues over into the right column. The damage buff from Predator Onslaught was counted as static due to party comps being able to maintain a movement debuff. Solo play, numbers would be around 50,461.6 damage over 60 seconds, making Remorseless a better choice due to the vulnerbility stacks increasing damage dealt.