Pet's powerfull mob handling.
Yup, we’ve been talking about this since before the traits came out, it’s pretty nice!
I’ve been tinkering with builds and stumbled on a possibility of making pet’s valuable for trash killing (a few fractais, Arah).
It relies on beastmastery’s Go for the eyes, Wilting Strike, and Beastly Warden then you just tie it all by calling a hawk or an eagle and just spam their F2 ability on cooldown, thus making mobs perma blind plus the weakness and taunt icing the cake. Adding SoS might be safer for added survability.
What do you think, worthwhile, irrelevant?
Bird F2 is single target. Wilting Strike and Go For The Eyes are 20 second cd’s.
Guess which class meta can spam blind on demand (read: no cd)? You guessed right, thief. Who also brings group stealth skips, and does far more damage than ranger does in PvE.
But talking about trash is useless anyways, 2 lava fonts from your eles and one 100b from your warrior will wipe out the trash before the blinds even run out.
Only fractal where blind becomes useful is Urban Fractal. And in that case you’re just using the thief’s black powder after the mesmer/guardian pulls the targets in.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”
Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
It’s the other way around. The combo of all 3 of those traits is all right while Thief’s “Black Powder” is superior. 5 initiative is fine since for trash Thieves tend to auto attack on sword, an auto chain on the 3rd hit that cleaves and applies weakness.
It’s an OK alternative when the party composition does not have a Thief, let alone a prepared/competent one, but that’s as far as it goes.
PET PRECISION & DPS TESTS -OUTDATED-
Will update once Path of Fire releases.
Will update once Path of Fire releases.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
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I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
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I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
Why would you be using Ravens for Go For The Eyes and Wilting Strike? Hawk/Eagle can spam the effects every 4.75 seconds and Go For the Eyes is indeed an AoE.
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oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
…..
I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
Why would you be using Ravens for Go For The Eyes and Wilting Strike? Hawk/Eagle can spam the effects every 4.75 seconds and Go For the Eyes is indeed an AoE.
Counting the amount of possible blind applications, not how often you can do it. A single blind every 4.75 seconds is a pittance, mobs will be dead by the time you can recast just for go for the eyes.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
…..
I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
Why would you be using Ravens for Go For The Eyes and Wilting Strike? Hawk/Eagle can spam the effects every 4.75 seconds and Go For the Eyes is indeed an AoE.
Counting the amount of possible blind applications, not how often you can do it. A single blind every 4.75 seconds is a pittance, mobs will be dead by the time you can recast just for go for the eyes.
If you can kill the mobs in 5s, there is no need for blind at all.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
…..
I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
Why would you be using Ravens for Go For The Eyes and Wilting Strike? Hawk/Eagle can spam the effects every 4.75 seconds and Go For the Eyes is indeed an AoE.
Counting the amount of possible blind applications, not how often you can do it. A single blind every 4.75 seconds is a pittance, mobs will be dead by the time you can recast just for go for the eyes.
If you can kill the mobs in 5s, there is no need for blind at all.
Tell that to the Urban fractal mobs. 5 seconds is enough to wipe a group.
oh ty for chiming in Heimskarl, ur signature is giving me a lot to digest, guess i’m shamelessly not very active in the forums to have missed that.
@Zenith
wut now? Where do i begin… no they don’t. Where did you came up with this? Even the wiki doesn’t mention anything… Now the case of Wilting Strike it does have a limitation: “This effect will only occur once on each target affected by abilities.” but still 4 sec of enemies hitting like wet noodle. The bird is single target, so what? The trait reads “Your pet’s command [F2] ability causes blindness to foes around it.”Now what you could’ve said was the Beastly Warden having a 15 sec cooldown, but not even that you got right.
The thief black powder, sure it’s all right. Although due to high initiative cost, i’d say our version is more (or at least as) spammable (as) for sure.
…..
I said the blinding slash from the pet’s F2 was a single target blind. Otherwise why would you be even using birds in PvE, they’re garbage dps.
Why would you be using Ravens for Go For The Eyes and Wilting Strike? Hawk/Eagle can spam the effects every 4.75 seconds and Go For the Eyes is indeed an AoE.
Counting the amount of possible blind applications, not how often you can do it. A single blind every 4.75 seconds is a pittance, mobs will be dead by the time you can recast just for go for the eyes.
If you can kill the mobs in 5s, there is no need for blind at all.
Tell that to the Urban fractal mobs. 5 seconds is enough to wipe a group.
Our guard just puts down the Line of Warding and we kill them on the other side from max melee range without being hit.
If you can kill the mobs in 5s, there is no need for blind at all.
Tell that to the Urban fractal mobs. 5 seconds is enough to wipe a group.
Our guard just puts down the Line of Warding and we kill them on the other side from max melee range without being hit.
That’s fine and all… if there was a Guard in the party, let alone smart enough to use it. Party compositions aside, the combination of “Go For The Eyes” + “Wilting Strike” + “Beastly Warden” (optional) is semi-decent/mediocre for (bad) PUGs if you want to stick to being a Ranger.
One point to bring up though is the future of the Blind & Taunt from those two traits for when bosses receive a break bar. If Taunt removes a significant chunk of that in order to stun them momentarily, we might see Beastly Warden and Go For The Eyes more often.
PET PRECISION & DPS TESTS -OUTDATED-
Will update once Path of Fire releases.
Will update once Path of Fire releases.
One point to bring up though is the future of the Blind & Taunt from those two traits for when bosses receive a break bar. If Taunt removes a significant chunk of that in order to stun them momentarily, we might see Beastly Warden and Go For The Eyes more often.
Taunt does seem pretty scarce in application across the professions, here it is sitting on a grandmaster trait…
Wonder if this could grant the ranger a favoured spot in group composition once the so-called “challeging group content” is revealed.
For now (apart from that break bar new boss mechanic) i simply see the taunt more valuable as an inverted fear, for pvp pourposes mainly.
Revenant will be better at taunting.
If you can kill the mobs in 5s, there is no need for blind at all.
Tell that to the Urban fractal mobs. 5 seconds is enough to wipe a group.
Our guard just puts down the Line of Warding and we kill them on the other side from max melee range without being hit.
That’s fine and all… if there was a Guard in the party, let alone smart enough to use it. Party compositions aside, the combination of “Go For The Eyes” + “Wilting Strike” + “Beastly Warden” (optional) is semi-decent/mediocre for (bad) PUGs if you want to stick to being a Ranger.
One point to bring up though is the future of the Blind & Taunt from those two traits for when bosses receive a break bar. If Taunt removes a significant chunk of that in order to stun them momentarily, we might see Beastly Warden and Go For The Eyes more often.
You know, there are only so many times that we can say “That would be a fine rebuttal, if we had that profession”.
Engineer has smoke bombs
Ele has Blinding Ashes, Glyph of Sandstorms and many more powerful AoE spells.
Thief has all the reasons you bring thief to a group.
Guardian has area control, AoE blinds, team aegis and reflects
Warrior has AoE stuns from hammer and rampage.
Necromancer has Well of Darkness and soon to come Nightfall.
Mesmer has Mesmer things, I don’t know their kit very well.
Which means… If we’re in a party of all Rangers the pet’s “mob handling” is pretty good I guess? There’s an argument for when you’re in a team of Rangers, Warriors and Mesmers I suppose? But this brings me back to my original point. Stating you won’t always have the person who’s best at the job in the party isn’t a valid argument in this instance.
Stating blinding powder is enough to protect you from all trash mobs forever isn’t exactly accurate either. This is how we assist in that scenario, sadly I doubt it’ll sell us a party slot. If birds didn’t waste time on their swiftness dance it’d be a decently helpful tactic against bosses too.
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Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties.
We all know how much you hate the ranger profession. But this shooting down of every positive aspect someone comes up with has to stop. I almost feel like you’re just trolling at this point.
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
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Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties.
We all know how much you hate the ranger profession. But this shooting down of every positive aspect someone comes up with has to stop. I almost feel like you’re just trolling at this point.
If you get this offended over a videogame I wouldn’t want you in my parties either. You remind me of those people that go rabid should someone criticize their prized tv show.
I main ranger, so I actually voice criticism in hopes of improvement, where all you do is apply some positive spin that leaves the class as the red headed step child of every format.
Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties.
We all know how much you hate the ranger profession. But this shooting down of every positive aspect someone comes up with has to stop. I almost feel like you’re just trolling at this point.
If you get this offended over a videogame I wouldn’t want you in my parties either. You remind me of those people that go rabid should someone criticize their prized tv show.
I main ranger, so I actually voice criticism in hopes of improvement, where all you do is apply some positive spin that leaves the class as the red headed step child of every format.
Every time someone comes up with something positive to say about rangers, you jump in and spout something about “<insert profession> does that thing better.” I’m not necessarily offended, but I’m not seeing how that kind of criticism could be constructive.
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
-BnooMaGoo.5690
-BnooMaGoo.5690
Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties.
We all know how much you hate the ranger profession. But this shooting down of every positive aspect someone comes up with has to stop. I almost feel like you’re just trolling at this point.
If you get this offended over a videogame I wouldn’t want you in my parties either. You remind me of those people that go rabid should someone criticize their prized tv show.
I main ranger, so I actually voice criticism in hopes of improvement, where all you do is apply some positive spin that leaves the class as the red headed step child of every format.
Every time someone comes up with something positive to say about rangers, you jump in and spout something about “<insert profession> does that thing better.” I’m not necessarily offended, but I’m not seeing how that kind of criticism could be constructive.
How could it not be constructive, it drives the point home that what the ranger has is NOT ENOUGH to make him meta and that changes must be made to grant him something he excels at over other classes that is desirable in organized group content and not just duels/1v1 roaming.
Tell me why I should be happy at the state of a class when playing my warrior/elementalist/thief/guardian I’ve never encountered a single LFG saying “NO WARRIOR/ELE/GUARD/THIEF, LF ranger and necromancer”. Or why most WvW GvG’s make so little use of rangers let alone why a kitten elementalist is better at ranged damage and aoe over a ranger considering the elementalist brings so much utility.
You would think classes high on utility would bring less damage and aoe, but some classes seem like they have it all and that’s something to be annoyed about.
(edited by Zenith.7301)
Revenant will be better at taunting.
No, they won’t…
They get a “Shared Anguish” trait that has 3s on kitten CD and a 2s single target taunt in Jalis stance that costs 1/2 their energy.
We get a 240 range 5 target taunt for 2s every 15s. Clearly superior.
Jalis is a superior option on a single target (like bosses, who matter most), energy is a non-issue in that scenario. I won’t be using taunt on pet since you want to run jaguars not to gut dps, and asking your jaguar to taunt 5 mobs is a pretty good way to get him killed.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties.
We all know how much you hate the ranger profession. But this shooting down of every positive aspect someone comes up with has to stop. I almost feel like you’re just trolling at this point.
If you get this offended over a videogame I wouldn’t want you in my parties either. You remind me of those people that go rabid should someone criticize their prized tv show.
I main ranger, so I actually voice criticism in hopes of improvement, where all you do is apply some positive spin that leaves the class as the red headed step child of every format.
Every time someone comes up with something positive to say about rangers, you jump in and spout something about “<insert profession> does that thing better.” I’m not necessarily offended, but I’m not seeing how that kind of criticism could be constructive.
How could it not be constructive, it drives the point home that what the ranger has is NOT ENOUGH to make him meta and that changes must be made to grant him something he excels at over other classes that is desirable in organized group content and not just duels/1v1 roaming.
Tell me why I should be happy at the state of a class when playing my warrior/elementalist/thief/guardian I’ve never encountered a single LFG saying “NO WARRIOR/ELE/GUARD/THIEF, LF ranger and necromancer”. Or why most WvW GvG’s make so little use of rangers let alone why a kitten elementalist is better at ranged damage and aoe over a ranger considering the elementalist brings so much utility.
You would think classes high on utility would bring less damage and aoe, but some classes seem like they have it all and that’s something to be annoyed about.
I think the root of the problem lies not with the ranger, but with the content itself, and with eles and might stacking being too powerful. Elementalists and their icebow need to be toned down to a more acceptable level, and might stacking also needs to get the nerf bat. 25 stacks of might should be achievable, but not maintainable.
I’m not saying the ranger doesn’t have room for improvement. But the ranger is, in my opinion, a very well balanced profession. It’s just that elementalists and warriors are currently overtuned, to the point that everything the ranger is good at is rendered obsolete.
Those armadillos would be a lot cooler if they looked more like real armadillos. mmm armadillos
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Yeah, Ranger is not really meant to be the best at anything, except bows, the jack of all trades, the problem is that Ele is a far better jack of all trades. Ele needs to be toned down as much as Ranger needs a buff, meet in the middle and balance it, not just bring Ranger up to OP status of Ele.
You nerf ele, and engineer will take his place and the ranger will be no better off. Sinister engineer is neck and neck on DPS with staff ele, provides a better water field, and provides smoke fields as well.
And quite frankly that won’t stop raid groups from stacking thieves/guardians/warriors instead since all those still perform most tasks better than a ranger.
If you’re talking about WvW even if you nerf ele, wells necromancers will be desirable over rangers for a backline ranged role.
Problem with ranger is that he’s far down the totem pole in terms of utility and DPS.
They called ranger a sustained dps class, and why it had less burst, but it doesn’t even have the top sustained damage ingame….
Its aoe/cleaving options are also woefully limited. Barrage and sword autoattacks. Traps for condition builds, which are worse than engineer grenades/bombs.
Basically, the only good thing about ranger is rapid fire (ranged single target mobile damage, ele staff and engineer do more ranged damage on stationary targets, so they’re better in PvE).
Anything else besides rapidfire’s niche, another class can do better. We’ll see what the druid brings.
(edited by Zenith.7301)
I keep hearing this perma blind using birds f2, but I’m not understanding.
The shortest pet f2 is 6s.
Go for the eyes is 5s blind.
Unless the enemy doesn’t attack you but once every 6s, you’re not going to maintain “perma blind”.
As stated, thieves using smoke field, that’s a perma blind.
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I keep hearing this perma blind using birds f2, but I’m not understanding.
The shortest pet f2 is 6s.
Go for the eyes is 5s blind.
Unless the enemy doesn’t attack you but once every 6s, you’re not going to maintain “perma blind”.As stated, thieves using smoke field, that’s a perma blind.
If you take GFTE, the F2 recharge is 4.75s so mathematically it is a permanent blind. In practice however it is one blind every 5+ seconds.
When I get back to playing properly (rather than just playing in my head) I really want to try Wilting Strike and Beastly Warden on a murellow.
I don’t care if it’s non-optimal, I just like the idea of taunting into a poison field and doubling up on weakness application.
Besides, I love my adorable rat-bear.