Guild Wars 2

I’ve played ranger since launch, rank 300 in WvW with ranger, but last night I rolled a warrior. This is not even fair (keep in mind I’ve only leveled up warrior last night and geared him).

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2.4k attack, 3k armor, 1900 condition damage with food, a plethora of immobilizes, 527 passive regen on full adrenaline, and 43% crit chance….

Again, i have no idea what i’m doing on this warrior, this is all based on the build i linked. no ascended gear, all exotics only and this was truly easy mode.

The amount of synergy the traits have is just ridiculous. I can stack 25 stack bleeds with sword auto attack and hold them there for 15.5 seconds total. Plus, it’s much easier and reliable for the player to land immob rather than the pet.

Why the hell does the F’en warrior LB do so much kittening damage! This is just kittened how much condition damage the LB can do.

I can’t believe Anet thinks this is balanced….This is just stupid that a newb warrior can do so much.

No wonder Anet says the warrior is in a good place, hell, warriors are in GREAT kittenING place.

I actually did the same thing yesterday, got my warrior out for a change and it actually just made me angry. Seriously kitten easy mode. What a joke.

All faith in anet balance team gone.

Honestly the build is kinda, meh. I mean Warrior meh, is still pretty strong, but that’s just a Condi-Warrior.

I am loving the warrior so much, the sad fact is if Anet put half the survivability and damage in the Ranger it would not be in the state it is now. Warrior in my mind is not OP not if you consider the mass damage staff necro wells which are pretty little more than cast and wait (where is the skill?) and Guardians , its Ranger that is well under standards and needs class balanced in the form of scaling and not nerfing.

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

you either never played Warrior or youre joking I honestly cant tell

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

Lol. Absolute lol.

Go play warrior, then shed your tears of dismay as you realize how poor ranger is in comparison.

While I agree the overall utility of the warrior is light years superior to that of the Ranger, the ranger does in fact do more damage than the warrior (in my experience).

Gearing both my ranger and warrior the same way and traiting them for sheer damage, my Ranger’s auto attack does about 1.5K more than my warrior. I’m doing over double auto attack damage than you’ve posted.

Granted with this, they’d also drop a lot faster in battle than the warrior too :P

Azure.8670:

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

you either never played Warrior or youre joking I honestly cant tell

He speaks the truth, Warriors on a whole aren’t that great. It’s just that Rangers are that bad. With clever play, you can work around this, but you’ll eventually hit the hard cap. Warriors are meant to facetank and spit out damage and cc, ANet even confirmed that.

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

I do agree with you that the ranger can do all this. However, I have to work much harder on my ranger to keep up is what i’m getting at. I love my ranger, but for the life of me, I can not find a build on my ranger that can easily crit for 43%, have 2.5K attack power, 3k armor, passive regen for 500+ per second, 1900 condition damage, 20k health. If I played against myself right now Ranger VS Warrior my ranger would destroy my warrior, but that is because i have 1400 hours on ranger and 25 on warrior.

Ranger immobilize is on par, but in no way exceed. Sorry but pet CC is hit or miss and rangers only have one real immob in MT. There is so much condition removal on this build with the rapid adrenaline regen that fighting against another condition build is almost a joke unless they’ve got some serious skill. The way the traits work together is just kittenedly fluid. Most 1v1’s, 1v2’s i had last night, most of the people were fighting me with a constant 15-20 stacks bleed even if then consistently cleared them. sword auto attack stacks 11 second bleeds on every hit, SB only stack 4.5 seconds @ 50% duration increase if flanking. Splitblade does 5 stacks@ 9 secs, crip talon does 3 stacks @ 12 seconds. It’s do able, just takes more work and skill to pull off. I logged off kitten ed at Anet for the very first time at this in-justice… literally brought me to this crossroad.

Remember, am new to a warrior. I still main my Ranger, but last night was just an eye opener is all. kitten es me off, but definitely an eye opener. It got me thinking, were all the people i beat in 1v1 going easy on me?, were they that bad?, or was warrior just that much easier to play?

DeadlySynz.3471:

While I agree the overall utility of the warrior is light years superior to that of the Ranger, the ranger does in fact do more damage than the warrior (in my experience).

Gearing both my ranger and warrior the same way and traiting them for sheer damage, my Ranger’s auto attack does about 1.5K more than my warrior. I’m doing over double auto attack damage than you’ve posted.

Granted with this, they’d also drop a lot faster in battle than the warrior too :P

I was against this whole notion of this class is better than this class, but last night made me change that thought. It’s really not fair how much harder we as rangers have to work to keep up. I can imagine going up against someone who was more skilled with a warrior and not be able to do anything

I agree The Ranger can do more damage that the Warrior. A couple of classes hit harder than Warriors in fact, its just Warriors dont require much setting up to hit their max damage and can pump it out more efficiently.

I QQ about Rangers nonstop and I admit it the fullest, but its because I absolutely love Rangers in this game and in every other game they make their grand appearance. I also dont think the Warrior is OP at all, its just built so well that its flaws dont show compared to other clsases.

Soilder.3607:

Prysin.8542:

sorry, but i am not impressed by anything other then the crit chance. The rest is simply average. Sure it seems insane with all that immobilize, yet you can do that on a ranger with ease, you can even exceed it.
The LB is slow. It seems strong, but it is slower, much much slower, then even the ranger LB. So the DPS equals out. Most of the attacks are “fan” attacks, and another interesting fact is that when an attack says ""Damage (3x): 660"", it means 660 damage divided by 3 attacks. That means for it to do full damage you must be in melee range. A place were you do NOT want to use that slow longbow.

Sorry mate, the build is solid, that is without a doubt, but there is nothing in there that the ranger cannot do.

Lol. Absolute lol.

Go play warrior, then shed your tears of dismay as you realize how poor ranger is in comparison.

Aye… this is the truth
@ Noobie.1073 … Yes you will find many rangers who traded up to warrior are excellent players, they just get a better chance to show it on a more well rounded class.

Eventually i’ll get around to leveling my Warrior

I totally agree with the OP, however to be frank warriors weren’t allways in such a sweet spot. As a comparison rangers sucked for a loooooong time. Thieves are beginning to feal how it is just now what it means to get nerfed.

people that say there are lot of whiners here, this and that really haven’t played much the game. Yes rangers are playable in a way, yes my main is a ranger and i always come back to him after a few days playing my other classes (mesmer, guardian, warrior is lvl 40 only) but once you play other classes you really start to notice how much the class (ranger) is lacking and after 1.3 years i honestly not keeping my hopes up for fixes to the ranger class. Just learn to embrace that the ranger class do suck and it wont get better, it will probably only get worse.

I believe the point, some of you are missing and the one Noobie makes, is how ridiculously under-powered the ranger feels, specifically in World-versus-World, compared to another class like the warrior.

There’s no denying this fact.

The mere observation some of you are making, that the warrior he played wasn’t ‘good’, kind of proves the point as well. Even a ‘bad’ warrior was light-years ahead of any ranger-spec in World-versus-World.

And that’s a problem.

While I think the warrior is balanced and fine as it is; the ranger is just not taken care of by the balance team and needs some major work for it to be anywhere close to where it should be.

Any skill I have with playing my ranger is amplified like 10x when on my warrior I just finished leveling a week ago. The traits on warriors just all come together and I feel like no matter which line I go into there is a fun and interesting build. Oh, and did I mention the mechanic actually works when you want it to?

On my ranger it just feels like they get the short end of the stick; many traits just lack synergy, are out of place and should be in other lines, and the pets… let’s just forget about them.

I too, absolutely love the class, but the balance on the other hand… what balance?

I have a feeling that if the pets actually worked as well as the other class mechanics and when you need them to, that the ranger would just be down to fine tuning like the warrior.

Warrior is not OP at all. Ranger is just “meh” compared to any other class.

You linked a Conidtion Warrior build. Pretty cookie cutter, and great for duels and very small WvW.

Conditions, power, tank, even pet centric builds, all other classes do it better. There is no area that the Ranger class excels at.

This is from a completely WvW view.

Vaxx.3178:

Warrior is not OP at all. Ranger is just “meh” compared to any other class.

You linked a Conidtion Warrior build. Pretty cookie cutter, and great for duels and very small WvW.

Conditions, power, tank, even pet centric builds, all other classes do it better. There is no area that the Ranger class excels at.

This is from a completely WvW view.

Warrior is OP. I have one, its OP-tastic. Denying this is a sure sign of someone who hasn’t played other classes much.

Lexandro.1456:

Vaxx.3178:

Warrior is not OP at all. Ranger is just “meh” compared to any other class.

You linked a Conidtion Warrior build. Pretty cookie cutter, and great for duels and very small WvW.

Conditions, power, tank, even pet centric builds, all other classes do it better. There is no area that the Ranger class excels at.

This is from a completely WvW view.

Warrior is OP. I have one, its OP-tastic. Denying this is a sure sign of someone who hasn’t played other classes much.

Wow….guess what….I have one of each too! I only play Ranger and Warrior 95% of my time.

So obviously…your theory is very incorrect.

War is so op is laughable. Play an Ele, Engineer, Necro or Mes and see how OP a warrior really is. Otherwise you must have a badly skilled/geared warrior and even then its still not a bad class.

I have 5 characters, War is the most OP, ranger is the most UP. Everything else falls in between as “pretty good generally”.

I have a ranger, warrior, and thief maxed level with a mesmer half way there. I only WvW on the ranger though. The reason why I don’t play the other classes in WvW is because I’m old, I admit it. My reflexes aren’t all that and it’s hard for me to be in melee chasing after someone trying to hit them with a sword. For this reason is why I like playing ranger where I can be at range and still do damage. Last night we needed guardians and warriors for the zerg so I logged in my warrior and said what the hell. I got more badges last night with my warrior, not knowing what the hell I was doing on that warrior since it is set up for PvE then I have ever gotten with my ranger. I died less with the warrior being the middle of the fray compared to my ranger which hangs in the back with the casters. I’m actually thinking about using my warrior more often so I can get more badges to buy better gear for my warrior and finish my ranger’s set.

As much as I love Ranger, I gotta admit that Warrior does mobility and condition management better. Stacking bleeds with sword auto, independent of his crit chance (not considering the bleed trait), a huge immobilise and bleed all-in-one on a 10s CD if not traited for less (which can also cleanse conditions), large area burning from longbow with another immobilise, and on top of that can be traited to swap weapons every 5 seconds. Let’s not forget access to Torment on a low CD as well. We all know Ranger needs to stay very very mobile in a fight…so take some torment to the knee and see how that goes.
The warrior regen is incomparably better than the rangers from just 1 trait and a Healing skill…you’d have to really work your traits and utility/heal slot for that regen on the ranger (and even then it’s not 100% upkeep). For being a heavy armored class thus having superior armor than the Ranger…I don’t see the balance in having superior regen too.

That’s not to say Ranger is useless, but Warrior has it easier.

Makes me sad because in open beta ranger longbow WAS the pvp killer. I recall rapid fire hiting hard enought to nearly 2 shot a player. All you ned to do was pushback rapid fire it then kite and repeat to win now its like MEH! Pet also got their damage downed like hell (damage halved seriously?) wich kind of ruined the purpose of them. Pet NEEDS to have their spell damage increased by our attack power… its all they need to do to make pets class actualy do real damage… if my pet actualy got its skill increased by my attack power id easily be on par with any other big dps class wich i have to work like holy hell just to achieve (my maximum pet critical ever done was of 10k in a pve instance i just wish i could do that more often)

Most of you “feel” that rangers suck because of your mindset. If you think the others do it better, they will “do it better”. Well, not really, you just think they will and when you try them, you automatically think it is so much easier and so much better and so much stronger. Then you 1v1 a upleveled bearbow zerker ranger and win hands down, feeling that rangers suck even more.

You are all victims of bandwagon psychology.

Warriors CAN be strong, but they are far from special. I got one myself, have been using it for a long time. No matter what build, it is nothing impressive. The weapons are often sluggish, they lack finesse, and the animations is boring as hell.
The bow have ONE forgiving function, that is the firefield from the adrenaline burst. The rest is just outright “MEEEEEEEEH”. I’d take a thief shortbow (just skills, not mechanic) over a warrior longbow any day.
The Rifle on the warrior is seriously dead. Aside from killshot it is about as exciting as a soaked firecracker on a stormy night.
The GS, what GS? That weapon is defined by one thing, 100b. The rest of it is mediocre.
Hammer – Fine, can be fun, i admitt that.
Sword/X can be quite ok to play, but it suffers from the “ezmode” decease.
500 regen/sec. a million condition cleanses. WOW, what a useful thing, guess what i play on my ranger, guardian, ele and necro? POWER. Now your warrior is useless. All those traits spent on countering conditions are hindering you. What a drag.

And finally, i have yet to meet ONE warrior, one single warrior, in the whole of EU, or anywhere else for that matter, that can measure up to even a glass cannon ranger in roaming.

Oh and if you think pets are too situational, you have yet to learn how to use them.

In the end, it is a L2P issue.

So I made minor changes, the damage was up’d. I will stop playing warrior for the time being.

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The crit damage pretty much went on par with condition damage. This is about as balanced damage wise as I’ve seen. I’ve tried to do something similar to this on my Ranger where I had good-decent DPS, good-decent condition damage, and good toughness. I was only able to achieve something like it with a Rampager’s armor set and mixed in rabid equipment, so power/crit was good, conditions was good, but i lacked defense, toughness, and vitality. However, I was able to achieve this with Warrior fairly easy.

I do want to add that I only did this cause I dueled a similar warrior with this build using my ranger in Os Sanctum and it was a very fun, interesting fight. I ended up winning the duel in the end because of mobility, but I was very close to losing many times. Ultimately I beat him using the set up in the following link with mobility and pet support.

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Wolf for KD and Fear, Raven for blind and DPS. When he did immob me, swap to sword/dagger and using timely evades helped me to avoid most of his sword auto attack damage which I think lead to him being whittled slowly whittled down. the Chills gave me enough breathing room to properly kite him, but this was definitely a fight that made me want to see for myself what he was running.

Having two lvl 80 Rangers (one power, one bunker, I’m lazy to change builds), and one lvl 80 zerker Warrior I can tell you two things…. Ranger is the class that you need to L2P to overcome limitations, not to give you an edge. And learning to play with a Ranger will make playing Warrior even easier (after you realize that you’re no longer immortal while downed in PvE).

Prysin.8542:

Most of you “feel” that rangers suck because of your mindset. If you think the others do it better, they will “do it better”. Well, not really, you just think they will and when you try them, you automatically think it is so much easier and so much better and so much stronger. Then you 1v1 a upleveled bearbow zerker ranger and win hands down, feeling that rangers suck even more.

You are all victims of bandwagon psychology.

Warriors CAN be strong, but they are far from special. I got one myself, have been using it for a long time. No matter what build, it is nothing impressive. The weapons are often sluggish, they lack finesse, and the animations is boring as hell.
The bow have ONE forgiving function, that is the firefield from the adrenaline burst. The rest is just outright “MEEEEEEEEH”. I’d take a thief shortbow (just skills, not mechanic) over a warrior longbow any day.
The Rifle on the warrior is seriously dead. Aside from killshot it is about as exciting as a soaked firecracker on a stormy night.
The GS, what GS? That weapon is defined by one thing, 100b. The rest of it is mediocre.
Hammer – Fine, can be fun, i admitt that.
Sword/X can be quite ok to play, but it suffers from the “ezmode” decease.
500 regen/sec. a million condition cleanses. WOW, what a useful thing, guess what i play on my ranger, guardian, ele and necro? POWER. Now your warrior is useless. All those traits spent on countering conditions are hindering you. What a drag.

And finally, i have yet to meet ONE warrior, one single warrior, in the whole of EU, or anywhere else for that matter, that can measure up to even a glass cannon ranger in roaming.

Oh and if you think pets are too situational, you have yet to learn how to use them.

In the end, it is a L2P issue.

This is the most BS garbage post ive ever seen. We may have to take your Forum license away.

Youre talking about excitement and looks, if you want that play an ele and change attunements all day, its real pretty.

As for everything else… what are you talking about???
Hammer is an AOE stunning knock down killer. Fun is just the cherry on top.

Lets not get into sword on Warrior. Its a condition weapon that happens to hit as hard as other classes power weapon.

Speaking of that, lets talk about the Longbow, thats also a condition weapon that hits harder than other peoples power weapons. It has a fire field that is EXTREMELY useful, you just have no idea what youre talking, and an aoe blast. come on bro… really?

TheWarriors firecracker rifle or whatever weird thing you said is stronger and better than our Longbow, which is sad because Warriors dont even use this thing. Id kill to have this on my Ranger.

GS? What GS? Its the highest mobility weapon in the game. 100B is just for stunned enemies in a zerg or that ran out of dodges after a knockdown. The AA isnt even powerful on it and its still stronger than our melee.

You didnt list all the other weapons Warriors have so I wont either (im thinking you have no idea what they are) especially since you said nothing about the Mace.

This isnt a L2P issue, this is a You’ve never played Warrior issue.

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And hand over your license.

Prysin.8542:

Oh and if you think pets are too situational, you have yet to learn how to use them.

In the end, it is a L2P issue.

I am in no way saying that rangers can not compete. I am simply implying that it takes more work to get the ranger to where a warrior is in WvW.

I have no problems 1v1 with my ranger whether it be a rag-tag power set up like the above link, full zerker, BM condi/regen, traps, etc but I am not delusional when I say the pet is situational. If you’ve never experienced the pet f2 lag then please send me the coding you used for your pet mechanic so I can L2P with the same pet mechanic that you do.

I am not bandwagoning to another profession as my main, I am simply a firm believer that in order to beat something, you gotta know the fundamentals of its class mechanics. I think you are mis-interpreting my post as me leaving ranger for greener pastures. I am simply ranting that traits and fluidity of traits in relation to builds is much more advanced on a warrior. Noticed that in my earlier post I said if I was to fight against myself using ranger VS warrior, my Ranger would win simply cause I knew the ranger class more than I currently do with warrior.

I do believe that if you place two people of equal skill, one plays a ranger and the other plays a warrior. In a 1v1, this match would be close but I think the warrior would win marginally because of overall defense and damage capabilities of the class. Where the ranger is either defense or offense-power, Condition or raw DPS, the warrior can be both equally, and that equals a lot of pressure.

I think someone wrote a post about his skill level holding up the ranger class (tricare). I think that is true for most skilled ranger players, of course this true for all classes too, but the ranger is a class that requires intricate knowledge and precise timing to make good where as the other classes are a bit more easy mode with the exception of Elementalists. I try not to compare classes too much because I understand that each class was designed to be different, but I can’t help but feel that our traits could be better served.

Anyway, thanks for the input and rants everyone. Its time to get back to the grind and fight the good fight.