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Posted by: Kenaz.3198

Kenaz.3198

So, I really like to be a druid/ranger, and I love LBs (kudzu is[would be] my next goal), but i’m having some issues with the low dps, so i’m really tempted to change to a range condi SB A/T. Is it worth it? the gold i’d spend on a viper’s change, the time i’d spend to get the viper’s trinkets to boost my dps and become less useless?
I really enjoy playing as Druid Healer on raids, so raids are not the turning point here

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Posted by: bearshaman.3421

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A/T (SB is optional) is a lot of fun, and highly effective in end game content (HoT, fractals, dungeons). Viper is a great set, and if you are crafting ascended, it’s a good set for engi and thief as well, so you will get a lot of use out of it. There are links in just about every build thread that will get you started on playing this build. It’s also one of the fastest condi builds as far as ramping up the conditions quickly (bonfire on quickdraw, followed by axe 2 for poison and more burning (combo), then torch 4, with sharpened edges, you get the idea).

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Posted by: Kenaz.3198

Kenaz.3198

yeah, i know, but is it worth? Does Power Druid really suck as i think?

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Posted by: bearshaman.3421

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yeah, i know, but is it worth? Does Power Druid really suck as i think?

Ok that’s two different questions. Is Viper worth it? Absolutely. I don’t have the trinkets yet, and am using a mix of sinister trinkets (which you can get from season 2 achievements if you don’t want to raid for the viper ones), or use rampager (precision is always good from proccing things). So you don’t have to have full viper to make it awesome.

Now, does Power Druid suck? Well, it depends on what you are trying to do. If you are going for pure DPS, then no it doesn’t. GotL is a unique buff that is easy for you to maintain, Glyph of Empowerment is another unique buff (in fact, Power Glyph Buffer is one of the Meta builds right now if you look on metabattle.com). You can easily switch up between LB, GS, S/x depending on playstyle or circumstances.

Now if you are trying to do high dps and high heal at the same time, well since the last patch that is no longer possible. You will be great at one, and decent but nothing special at the other. This is still good, as most builds won’t have as much access to healing as you will, but the druid heals are now all much more dependent on healing power to be really good.

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Posted by: Kenaz.3198

Kenaz.3198

So the dps of a power druid (pure DPS LB, Glyphs + frost spirit [the meta build]) compareded with the dps of a condi ranger is not that low?

i wanted to change to condi ranger after this DPS ranking:
http://www.qtfy.enjin.com/dps

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Posted by: bearshaman.3421

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You’ll notice on those rankings that the numbers for the realistic damage is based on having 5 buffs up, 3 of which come from ranger and druid. That said, I don’t trust rankings all that much. Those are based on hitting a stationary golem, actual combat never works that way.

So here’s a different question: what issues are you having? Just wanting to have the highest dps possible, or not enjoying the feel of the build, or not sure how to do the rotations, or…???

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Posted by: Kenaz.3198

Kenaz.3198

I just want to be druid/ranger and have a good dps, i don’t mind to have the highest dps possible, otherwise i would be a ele. I just feel really useless with this build.

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Posted by: UmbraNoctis.1907

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Power druid is not a dps build, it is a support build. It can provide various offensive buffs, that can increase group dps by a lot. So even with low personal dps the build is far from useless. It also brings some utility (pull/reflect/heals/condi clear) and has decent burst in short fights.
Condi ranger is a pure dps build. Of course it has higher dps than power druid (like all condi builds it has lower burst though, so in very short fights power is always better), but it brings nothing useful for a group outside of its dmg. Also keep in mind, that actual dps difference might be a bit lower than in the dps ranking, because condi ranger loses dps if mobs move out of your traps/bonfire or if you can’t flank the enemy constantly.
You can also play condi druid, which trades some personal dps for group buffs.

So if you want to do more dmg, yes, go condi. But be aware that this won’t make you automatically more usefull, because group dps matters more than personal dps. In the end you should just choose the playstyle you enjoy more. Both – power and condi druid/ranger – can be useful.

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Posted by: bearshaman.3421

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Here is a quick mock up of a build I was using for fractals for a while:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNIQRBHfdG2J9qQNrYzKgrKARLYxQwcWdxueA8WNsWWZCArrGwJM50wA-TRBVwAoU/Bw+DlMB5VJoFlfAA-e

Now first thing: yes I used celestial. It was my first set of gear, and I wanted to keep my options open. It actually works pretty well given the diversity of the build.

It’s basically my attempt (pretty successful from what I saw) at a condi support druid build. I used quick draw with bonfire and call of the wild: bonfire stacked a ton of burn, and provided a firefield to blast with call of the wild, adding 3 might stacks to an already impressive list of boons for my party. I can also use axe two in the fire field for more burn and poison, sharpened edges, etc you get the idea. So a lot of condi. but with CotW, spotter, frost spirit, sun spirit, spirit of nature, glyph of empowerment, Grace of the Land, I’m pumping out a lot of healing and boon support as well as 3 unique damage buffs, more condi (sun spirit), passive healing as well as regen, etc etc.

I was able to do appreciable amounts of condi while making everyone else better at the same time.

(also, if anyone has suggestions on making this build work even better, PM me.)

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Posted by: Kenaz.3198

Kenaz.3198

thanks for the replies and help guys, i guess i’m just bored of being the support, but i really enjoy playing as ranger/druid, so i decided to play as ele for a while, maybe wait a dps buff, grind enough for kudzu or feel like i want to play ranger/druid again.

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Posted by: Sarahfull.4930

Sarahfull.4930

thanks for the replies and help guys, i guess i’m just bored of being the support, but i really enjoy playing as ranger/druid, so i decided to play as ele for a while, maybe wait a dps buff, grind enough for kudzu or feel like i want to play ranger/druid again.

:o I also stopped using my ranger for similar reasons. I don’t like being the healing support as well as people EXPECTING me to heal them when they don’t bother to dodge..

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Posted by: Erzian.5218

Erzian.5218

thanks for the replies and help guys, i guess i’m just bored of being the support, but i really enjoy playing as ranger/druid, so i decided to play as ele for a while, maybe wait a dps buff, grind enough for kudzu or feel like i want to play ranger/druid again.

Viper ranger has great dps. If you want to use a longbow, you should go condition warrior as its the only class whose meta build uses a longbow.

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Posted by: bearshaman.3421

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Youre only expected to be a healbot in raids. There’s plenty of other content where you can play whatever you want, and our dps is fine.