Guild Wars 2

Let’s compare the most powerful AOE skill of ranger-barrange VS ele-meteor shower.

Barrange: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Barrage

Meteor Shower: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Meteor_Shower

Both are channeled skills, same cool down, ele need channel 35% longer than ranger, but they have 50% bigger radius to compensate which is fare enough. Theoretically these 2 skills sound (and should be in my opinion) identical.
However, let’s look at the damage where Anet plays word-game to fool us ranger:

On paper:
Barrage: Damage (12x): 1,692 (coefficient=4.8)
Meteor shower: Damage: 481 (coefficient=1.30)
Barrage looks much better by all means.

But truth is:
Barrabge shoot 12x hits, each hit can hit 5x targets max (so totally 60 targets at most) and damage is only 141, ALSO The damage coefficient of 4.8 is for the 12 hits. Each hit has a coefficient of 0.4.

Meteor Shower hit 24x meteors, each meteor can hit 5x targets max (totally 120 targets at most) and each hit damage is 481, and most importantly, the damage coefficient of 1.3 is for every hit, so if using the same logic which barrage uses, the coefficient of this skill should be 1.3×24=31.2 but not 1.3 !!!

In reality, assuming that both Barrage and Meteor shower hit same number of target, the real damage these 2 skills will do : Barrage 141×12×0.4=676.8, Meteor shower 481×24×1.3=15007.2. Meteor shower = 20x Barrage. If luckily both Barrage and meteor shower hit max targets then meteor shower will do 40x damage. Then anyway meteor shower will do 20-40 x damage than Barrage with same cool down and comparable casting time/range.

Is this working as intended ??
Even if this is how it should be, but can you Anet use the same logic on both skills to show the truth on tooltip?

The right tooltip should be :

Barrage: Damage (12x): 1,692 (coefficient=4.8)
Meteor shower: Damage (24x): 11,544 (coefficient=31.2)

I’ve never been an Ele so my opinion on this could be completely invalid but; I believe that Meteor Shower is totally random when cast, isn’t t? You can target the area you want it to be cast on, but the meteor’s land very far apart from each other and will often miss their target. I think it’s a risk versus reward with Meteor Shower. You can risk casting it and missing your target completely or hitting them with a little luck and killing them pretty fast.

However, I would definitely like to say that Meteor Shower does some absolutely NASTY damage. Ele has been nerfed to hell so I wouldn’t ask ANet to nerf them any further. But if you’re going to balance the professions buff some of Ele’s other abilities and nerf the damage of Meteor Shower a bit. Meteor Shower and Thief Heartseeker must be two of the hardest hitting attacks (or attacks I’ve noticed to hit particularly hard) in the game.

Meteor shower’s damage radius is 180 after staff trait. Within a 360 radius circle, basically 4x 180 will cover the whole area. So even it’s random, and the chance of hitting a single target is 1/4, even though meteor shower still do 5x damage than barrage. and if you are in WvW fighting a big group, almost all meteors will land on some targets, then all of those meteors will be counted (then at least 20x damage more than Barrage). That’s how OP this skill is.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I’ve never been an Ele so my opinion on this could be completely invalid but; I believe that Meteor Shower is totally random when cast, isn’t t? You can target the area you want it to be cast on, but the meteor’s land very far apart from each other and will often miss their target. I think it’s a risk versus reward with Meteor Shower. You can risk casting it and missing your target completely or hitting them with a little luck and killing them pretty fast.

However, I would definitely like to say that Meteor Shower does some absolutely NASTY damage. Ele has been nerfed to hell so I wouldn’t ask ANet to nerf them any further. But if you’re going to balance the professions buff some of Ele’s other abilities and nerf the damage of Meteor Shower a bit. Meteor Shower and Thief Heartseeker must be two of the hardest hitting attacks (or attacks I’ve noticed to hit particularly hard) in the game.

It’s not really a good idea to try and compare like this IMO.

Elem has less health, less toughness, no pet. Playing MS as Elem means you use a staff which is determining your 20 weapon skills while Ranger only sets 5 of his 10 to be able to use barrage. Besides, as has been said, Elem doesn’t have control over the hits.

So as I said, comparing is probably a bad idea but if you want to compare there’s a lot more to take into account (I’m far from being exhaustive, I just wanted to show why I think the comparison shouldn’t be made).

I agree that staff-MS ele is taking higher risk than LB-barrage ranger. I am comfortable if they can do 2-3x damage due to the the risk-return, but isn’t 20x damage too much ??
Disregarding the truth, doesn’t Anet ought to put the right tooltip description by using same logic on both skills but not the current misleading ones? — a 481(1.3) skill hit 20x harder than 1692(4.8) skill, are you kidding ????

Lyndis.4653:

It’s not really a good idea to try and compare like this IMO.

Elem has less health, less toughness, no pet. Playing MS as Elem means you use a staff which is determining your 20 weapon skills while Ranger only sets 5 of his 10 to be able to use barrage. Besides, as has been said, Elem doesn’t have control over the hits.

So as I said, comparing is probably a bad idea but if you want to compare there’s a lot more to take into account (I’m far from being exhaustive, I just wanted to show why I think the comparison shouldn’t be made).

Don’t forget an ele can pop tornado and effectively double the damage as well.

Wiki is down, but I believe Lava Font is better damage as well if you want to compare it to a less random AE.

Atherakhia.4086:

Don’t forget an ele can pop tornado and effectively double the damage as well.

Wiki is down, but I believe Lava Font is better damage as well if you want to compare it to a less random AE.

Yeah, I saw a topic in the ele forum showing 13k~15k MS damage in WvW using the tornado trick.

I also think that MS should be more powerful than Barrage, but not by this much.

I think there have been enough threats stating that the ranger is underpowered in most cases (even if few ones still don’t want to accept that the ranger is underpowered).

If we want ANet to fix the rangers, we don’t just have to optain their alterness, we also have to come up with some good ideas.
Concerning to that, if someone has ideas regarding to the weapons of the ranger, please feel free to share your suggestions here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-Weapon-Suggestion-Thread/

DAT PROOF!

Seriously guys, they are not going to revamp the whole class just because you want EZmode.

Can we please STOP with the QQ threads?

If you love the ranger as it is, good. If you don’t, roll another class untill you feel it’s fixed. I wanna log to ranger forums for once and see actually constructive critisism and not “this sucks because I can’t play it” or “that sucks because a warrior/ <insertclasshere> can do it better”

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DAT PROOF!

Seriously guys, they are not going to revamp the whole class just because you want EZmode.

Can we please STOP with the QQ threads?

If you love the ranger as it is, good. If you don’t, roll another class untill you feel it’s fixed. I wanna log to ranger forums for once and see actually constructive critisism and not “this sucks because I can’t play it” or “that sucks because a warrior/ <insertclasshere> can do it better”

Whether you love ranger or not, it does have a lot of issues. Why barrage needed a nerf was never explained. I’m not even sure it was mentioned in the patch notes. Why would you want to read constructive criticism on the ranger forums? Its the saddest topic ever. The amount of constructive suggestions that were shared with Anet on these forums… not many of those were utilized. I don’t like all the crying either, but barrage dealing kittenty damage is a totally legit issue. Did you ever get downed by barrage? Ever? On my full rabid ranger I had 0 reasons to leave that red circle. I didn’t feel so funny in a meteor shower.

Ranged damage is nerfed to being basically pointless?
That forces us into melee combat in medium armor?
We’re rooted in that medium armor with the only weapon that does actual damage?
Compared to other class mechanics, pets are a joke?

We have some good things too but this stuff is crushing the class.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

I think there have been enough threats stating that the ranger is underpowered in most cases (even if few ones still don’t want to accept that the ranger is underpowered).

If we want ANet to fix the rangers, we don’t just have to optain their alterness, we also have to come up with some good ideas.
Concerning to that, if someone has ideas regarding to the weapons of the ranger, please feel free to share your suggestions here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-Weapon-Suggestion-Thread/

We’ve made hundreds of threads giving constructive, logical, and supported feedback that has literally all been ignored since launch. Why should I, or anyone else, take the time (again, again, again, and again) to continuously take part in a yet another suggestion/feedback thread?

nagymbear.5280:

Did you ever get downed by barrage? Ever?

Oh yes. By my own barrage when stupidly hitting a massive retaliation blob. ^^

You didn’t need to play the math card.
Pets are a fundamental in the Ranger, so much so that the damage output is split about 70-30 Ranger-Pet.
And the pets are broken, anet admits this, but they don’t put any fix in place, not even a “not so pretty one”, nothing.

13-15k that’s SINGLE meteor does, and that’s already much more than a whole barrage can do. Don’t forget , a meteor shower drops 24x meteors……

Belzebu.3912:

Atherakhia.4086:

Don’t forget an ele can pop tornado and effectively double the damage as well.

Wiki is down, but I believe Lava Font is better damage as well if you want to compare it to a less random AE.

Yeah, I saw a topic in the ele forum showing 13k~15k MS damage in WvW using the tornado trick.

I also think that MS should be more powerful than Barrage, but not by this much.

Castaliea.3156:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

I think there have been enough threats stating that the ranger is underpowered in most cases (even if few ones still don’t want to accept that the ranger is underpowered).

If we want ANet to fix the rangers, we don’t just have to optain their alterness, we also have to come up with some good ideas.
Concerning to that, if someone has ideas regarding to the weapons of the ranger, please feel free to share your suggestions here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/The-Weapon-Suggestion-Thread/

We’ve made hundreds of threads giving constructive, logical, and supported feedback that has literally all been ignored since launch. Why should I, or anyone else, take the time (again, again, again, and again) to continuously take part in a yet another suggestion/feedback thread?

Since we have a CDI thread where I can spam the suggstion we gather in the thread I’ve posted, I hope we can make a difference. It is still a better idea than just cry about how bad we are. But if you got some older posts related to weapons, you can post a link on the thread, so we got all ideas clumbed together.

You can’t compare these too, not to mention the radius on Meteor shower is sure as hell not 360 (that’s the meteor explosion radius), the skill is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than barrage, and under no realistic circumstance will you hit someone with all 24.

The skill does do more AoE damage than barrage yes, but it does not provide any form of CC (cripple) like barrage, and it’s absolutely 100% useless in a 1v1 fight because all that’ll happen is you get your teeth kicked in as you try to use it where barrage you tend to be able to get off at least a few waves for the cripple and can break out of it and move on…

Did i mention that Meteor Shower takes a full second longer to channel than Barrage?

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Since we have a CDI thread where I can spam the suggstion we gather in the thread I’ve posted, I hope we can make a difference. It is still a better idea than just cry about how bad we are. But if you got some older posts related to weapons, you can post a link on the thread, so we got all ideas clumbed together.

All the ideas related to every aspect of the Ranger are clumped together in the CDI thread. It. diD. NOTHING.

But, good luck all the same.

Yes, we have given ANet many idea’s. We’ve even asked for some compromises because of the pet AI problems which they admit does not work properly. But we get nothing in return. Very few, tiny, minimal buffs along with many hard hitting nerfs, the complete opposite of what we need.

Honestly, they have already admitted that pets are broken. They have also admitted that they will NOT be trying to fix the pet mechanics anymore because they are afraid it will screw up all mobs in the game. So in essence, Ranger’s are playing an incomplete/defective game while everyone else is playing a more refined, better tuned game. I would honestly be happy if they would just remove the damage from pets which is currently at about 70/30, and give those 30% back to the ranger. Leave pet’s with no damage output but leave them in for their abilities, like stun, KD, poison, etc.

Honestly, to admit something is broken and say to your customer’s that you will not fix it, when it’s been broken since day 1…I guess that tells you what they think about customer service. I know I will never purchase another game developed by ANet. I run my own company and when I ship something that is defective, I pay to have it returned back to me and I pay to have a replacement sent out to them. I didn’t build the item but I’m still taking the hit for it because I believe in customer service. That’s how a company should run, caring about it’s customers and it’s obvious that Anet doesn’t care, otherwise someone would be here now trying to work on a solution to the pet AI problem with us.

As I mentioned in 1st topic why I compared these 2 skills, they are all #5 skill on 2-hand weapon, with same CD, both need channel and do AOE damage per trick. So in my opinion they are very similar type of skills and very comparable.

The point is NOT to complain how pathetic barrage does VS meteor shower (although someone already showed that 1 meteor damage> whole barrage) .

The point is WHY Anet use totally different logic to describe the damage of these 2 skills? It makes Barrage look much better than meteor shower but in fact it’s a HUGE MISLEADING in numbers.

Isn’t this a perfect sample of double-standards?

Durzlla.6295:

You can’t compare these too, not to mention the radius on Meteor shower is sure as hell not 360 (that’s the meteor explosion radius), the skill is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than barrage, and under no realistic circumstance will you hit someone with all 24.

The skill does do more AoE damage than barrage yes, but it does not provide any form of CC (cripple) like barrage, and it’s absolutely 100% useless in a 1v1 fight because all that’ll happen is you get your teeth kicked in as you try to use it where barrage you tend to be able to get off at least a few waves for the cripple and can break out of it and move on…

Did i mention that Meteor Shower takes a full second longer to channel than Barrage?

CRrabbit.1284:

Isn’t this a perfect sample of double-standards?

No it isn’kittens the perfect example of…. typos in skill description.

So you believe that Anet will put the real damage description(one is 20x times more than the other similar one) to meteor shower in order to show the game balance???

nagymbear.5280:

CRrabbit.1284:

Isn’t this a perfect sample of double-standards?

No it isn’kittens the perfect example of…. typos in skill description.

It wouldn’t be the first time a skill description shows wrong figures, now would it?

CRrabbit.1284:

As I mentioned in 1st topic why I compared these 2 skills, they are all #5 skill on 2-hand weapon, with same CD, both need channel and do AOE damage per trick. So in my opinion they are very similar type of skills and very comparable.

The point is NOT to complain how pathetic barrage does VS meteor shower (although someone already showed that 1 meteor damage> whole barrage) .

The point is WHY Anet use totally different logic to describe the damage of these 2 skills? It makes Barrage look much better than meteor shower but in fact it’s a HUGE MISLEADING in numbers.

Isn’t this a perfect sample of double-standards?

Durzlla.6295:

You can’t compare these too, not to mention the radius on Meteor shower is sure as hell not 360 (that’s the meteor explosion radius), the skill is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than barrage, and under no realistic circumstance will you hit someone with all 24.

The skill does do more AoE damage than barrage yes, but it does not provide any form of CC (cripple) like barrage, and it’s absolutely 100% useless in a 1v1 fight because all that’ll happen is you get your teeth kicked in as you try to use it where barrage you tend to be able to get off at least a few waves for the cripple and can break out of it and move on…

Did i mention that Meteor Shower takes a full second longer to channel than Barrage?

It’s hardly double standards, you have to look at it in an overall balance aspect, Meteor Shower is RANDOM, you can literally miss EVERY SINGLE METEOR even while they’re in the area the whole time, on the other hand you have the ranger over there using barrage who is dealing damage AND crippling up to 5 targets in the area and there’s nothing they can do about it other than get out, or pop a defensive CD.

Also, an ele has the lowest armor and health in the game and the general play style for an ele is “You stop moving you die” using meteor shower requires you to stand still for almost 4s, if the enemy team is paying any attention to this you’re going to be butchered in a matter of seconds. Not to mention if you swap out of your fire attunement you’ve effectively denied yourself access to the skill for 13s compared to the rangers 10s. Also, the rangers skill allows them a location to kite and stay alive in, the eles is pure damage, in a weapon (attunement) that is ONLY damage.

Have you even played ele? Or have you just been kitten on by an eles aoe damage and thought they were too strong compared to ranger?

Ele is THE AoE prof, especially with a staff where they literally become a walking artillery canon where every single one of their attacks can hit +5 people (with the exception of Chain lightning which is 3).

I play both ele and ranger, that’s why I think these 2 skills are similar.
Meteor Shower is RANDOM—- yes, but in a large scale fight you can literally LAND EVERY SINGLE METEOR as long as you cast it in right time/position.
I partly agree that “You stop moving you die”, it should be “You stop moving you down”. A full channeled MS need 3.75 sec, but in most of time, 2s is enough, it’s just drop fewer meteors , but that’s enough to kill. I only cast full MS in certain location (e.g the head/end of bridge to create an absolute deadzone). My ele downed a lot during the fight (mostly by retaliation but not opponent’s damage)but seldom die coz I rally up very quick. Same thing happened to my ranger too except the rally part.
The cripple might be the only thing that barrage beats MS but in large scale fight it can be ignored. Is the cripple worth the 20x damage?

Durzlla.6295:

CRrabbit.1284:

As I mentioned in 1st topic why I compared these 2 skills, they are all #5 skill on 2-hand weapon, with same CD, both need channel and do AOE damage per trick. So in my opinion they are very similar type of skills and very comparable.

The point is NOT to complain how pathetic barrage does VS meteor shower (although someone already showed that 1 meteor damage> whole barrage) .

The point is WHY Anet use totally different logic to describe the damage of these 2 skills? It makes Barrage look much better than meteor shower but in fact it’s a HUGE MISLEADING in numbers.

Isn’t this a perfect sample of double-standards?

Durzlla.6295:

You can’t compare these too, not to mention the radius on Meteor shower is sure as hell not 360 (that’s the meteor explosion radius), the skill is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than barrage, and under no realistic circumstance will you hit someone with all 24.

The skill does do more AoE damage than barrage yes, but it does not provide any form of CC (cripple) like barrage, and it’s absolutely 100% useless in a 1v1 fight because all that’ll happen is you get your teeth kicked in as you try to use it where barrage you tend to be able to get off at least a few waves for the cripple and can break out of it and move on…

Did i mention that Meteor Shower takes a full second longer to channel than Barrage?

It’s hardly double standards, you have to look at it in an overall balance aspect, Meteor Shower is RANDOM, you can literally miss EVERY SINGLE METEOR even while they’re in the area the whole time, on the other hand you have the ranger over there using barrage who is dealing damage AND crippling up to 5 targets in the area and there’s nothing they can do about it other than get out, or pop a defensive CD.

Also, an ele has the lowest armor and health in the game and the general play style for an ele is “You stop moving you die” using meteor shower requires you to stand still for almost 4s, if the enemy team is paying any attention to this you’re going to be butchered in a matter of seconds. Not to mention if you swap out of your fire attunement you’ve effectively denied yourself access to the skill for 13s compared to the rangers 10s. Also, the rangers skill allows them a location to kite and stay alive in, the eles is pure damage, in a weapon (attunement) that is ONLY damage.

Have you even played ele? Or have you just been kitten on by an eles aoe damage and thought they were too strong compared to ranger?

Ele is THE AoE prof, especially with a staff where they literally become a walking artillery canon where every single one of their attacks can hit +5 people (with the exception of Chain lightning which is 3).

Durzlla.6295:

It’s hardly double standards, you have to look at it in an overall balance aspect, Meteor Shower is RANDOM, you can literally miss EVERY SINGLE METEOR even while they’re in the area the whole time

That was the 1st thing I noticed when playing on the Ele. I think it’ll still pretty good for tagging though.

The damage isn’t THAT much higher, what makes it so good in large scale battles (like WvW) is that each meteor hits 5 people instead of the whole AoE only hitting 5 people, so you can essentially hit 120 people with one meteor shower assuming all 24 meteors hit 5 players, where barrage you can only hit 60, they both have their purposes, and i feel barrage is overall more useful than meteor shower is.

I go through most fights as my Ele and never even cast MS, where on my ranger (when he’s got a LB) it’s rare for me to not cast Barrage.

Don’t get me wrong, if they want to buff Barrage damage i’m not going to complain, i just feel like the cripple is generally more useful, and that’s why the damage is lower, that and it’s guaranteed to hit where Meteor Shower is not.

thefantasticg.3984:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

Since we have a CDI thread where I can spam the suggstion we gather in the thread I’ve posted, I hope we can make a difference. It is still a better idea than just cry about how bad we are. But if you got some older posts related to weapons, you can post a link on the thread, so we got all ideas clumbed together.

All the ideas related to every aspect of the Ranger are clumped together in the CDI thread. It. diD. NOTHING.

But, good luck all the same.

That wasn’t really so much a CDI thread as a “Lets Complain about the Dec. 10th Changes” Thread. A “Let’s Complain/Anet Hates Rangers” Thread (like this one) is a very different thing than a “Suggestion/Feedback” Thread.

Well, sure, if you cherry picked which posts you read in it. There were plenty of good posts and a few fantastic posts in that CDI thread that more than qualified as “Suggestions/Feedback” and not “QQ”.

There was no cherry picking about it, because even all the way to the end of the thread there were still people complaining about the changes instead of wanting to suggest anything to fix it Now, yes, while some posts had fantastic suggestions for fixing the class, and the Devs even posted in that one thread to ask about changes to some of our weapons and answer some concerns about pets and the 1h sword, and Nike even made a great post defending Anet’s decision to nerf Natural Vigor, it didn’t stop the trolls.

I’m not really trying to complain so much as Suggest that we say to hell with the Devs and create a set of CDI threads ourselves instead of waiting for the next time we see some red posted in these forums (because, as you all know, that could take awhile). Have the first post as a Summary, and have nothing but constructive discussion, instead of half of it being nothing but QQ troll comments.

Admitting there were posts with fantastic suggestions means that the entire CDI thread was not all QQ. The vast majority of the CDI thread was good discussion about improving the class. Sucks you viewed the entire thread as a QQ-fest. And as you pointed out, the Devs even entertained the suggestions and feedback. They listened. They just didn’t act on ANY of the 7 weeks of suggestions and feedback. Maybe, just maybe, one day we will see patches that reflect the exchange that was had in the CDI, but it hasn’t happened yet thus no reason to believe a player started suggestion thread is going to do what the Anet started suggestion thread could not.

thefantasticg.3984:

Admitting there were posts with fantastic suggestions means that the entire CDI thread was not all QQ. in The vast majority of the CDI thread was good discussion about improving the class. Sucks you viewed the entire thread as a QQ-fest.

Fact is, there were just as many “Anet hates Ranger” Comments as there were “Constructive feedback” comments, which doesn’t change anything about what I did or did not ‘admit’ in your eyes. That doesn’t exactly give someone just clicking on the thread for the first time any incentive to post anything of their own if there is a 50/50 chance of it being ignored for people to continue to whine, complain, and gripe. It left people out that didn’t want to get in the middle of it.

And stop trying to shamelessly put words in my mouth. I never said the thread was all, I said::

even all the way to the end of the thread there were still people complaining about the changes instead of wanting to suggest anything to fix it

thefantasticg.3984:

And as you pointed out, the Devs even entertained the suggestions and feedback. They listened. They just didn’t act on ANY of the 7 weeks of suggestions and feedback. Maybe, just maybe, one day we will see patches that reflect the exchange that was had in the CDI, but it hasn’t happened yet thus no reason to believe a player started suggestion thread is going to do what the Anet started suggestion thread could not.

There’s also no reason to believe that a “Anet Hates Us! Ranger Sux Therapy Hour” Thread like this is going to get anything done about it either.

Also, I guess all this is rendered moot because of the new subforum that was opened, but, its still a better and more organized idea to have all ideas in one place instead of scattered across the forums.

There were a few but I disagree there were just as many “anet hates ranger” posts in there as there were good posts. I read what you said and whether you like it or not it read as the entire thread was QQ’ing. If you meant something else then word it differently so the meaning of what you are trying to say comes across properly… and by the number of posts in that thread no one was left out. Everyone who wanted to put their piece in did. Many who already had suggestion threads copied then pasted into the CDI thread trying to get their suggestions seen by Anet.

This QQ thread nor the suggestion/feedback threads seem to get anything done when it comes to the Ranger so why waste the effort? Putting suggestions in the actual suggestion section didn’t seem to help either… speaking of which, looks like that section got archived.

thefantasticg.3984:

Many who already had suggestion threads copied then pasted into the CDI thread trying to get their suggestions seen by Anet.

Well, There’s one of your problem. So many people are so big on trying to be seen by red that many don’t even bother. And there are many others who stop caring and just post “Anet Hates Us” threads like that will do any better of a job getting their attention.

Maybe so, but you can’t blame them for trying when they care about their characters profession so much that they want to make it better.

I’ve only recently started using Ranger but I find it to be absolutely amazing. I’m actually upset I believed all the people who said it was a dead profession and not to bother with it.
Also, I would agree that barrage having a higher damage output would be nice, but I use it to cripple not to damage. It keeps my enemies away from me. And if you’re not ranging your opponent/foe, you’re doing it wrong.

I don’t see how you can compare a skill that does damage and cripple to a skill that just does damage. Not to mention all Ranger weapon factor in pet damage.

This just proves some people just don’t understand how things work.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I’ve only recently started using Ranger but I find it to be absolutely amazing. I’m actually upset I believed all the people who said it was a dead profession and not to bother with it.
Also, I would agree that barrage having a higher damage output would be nice, but I use it to cripple not to damage. It keeps my enemies away from me. And if you’re not ranging your opponent/foe, you’re doing it wrong.

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You’re doing the math wrong. The damage number IS the co-efficient, you don’t take both into account.
IE:
Barrage: Damage (12x): 1,692 (coefficient=4.8)
Meteor shower: Damage: 481 (coefficient=1.30) (24 meteors)

1692/12 = 141, damage from 1 hit.
141, each hit uses a 0.4 co-efficient.
0.4 * 12 = 4.8
141 * 12 = 1692

tada!

Barrage does 1692 damage.

Each meteor hits for 481, 24 * 481 = 11544

More specifically, if you take armor into account, lets say toughness + armor in a low powered opponent is 2000, and your power (does meteor use power?) is 2000, then

Damage = {Co-Efficient * Weapon * Power)}/Defense = 4.8 * 2000 * 1000 / 2000
Damage = 4800 for barrage

each meteor would be hitting for 1300

24 meteors could do up to 31,400 damage, so I’m assuming they land randomly and don’t hit everyone in the AOE?