Guild Wars 2

Just got to level 80 too and joined a party for the Candidate Trials and i got kicked for being a Ranger, are Rangers really that much of a burden in a small party setting?

Ranger is currently holding world record for fastest cof time of 5:27

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Ranger-VS-The-CoF-World-Record

I’d still kick a necro in a heartbeat. Engineers are kinda iffy.

..but a longbow ranger, with a ranged pet and bear, would be welcome in my groups.

As for the Candidate Trials specifically, Ranger really aint bad. With longbow you get a knockback and cripple and with Spike Trap, Frost Trap, Muddy Terrain and Entangle you can bring a lot of control. Also, right now the Longbow is a real Vulnerability stacking machine, which is quite usefull as well.

Okay thanks, i’ll try and stick with it then. Feel like the unwanted ginger step child in the family.

Some people just don’t know what we are cappable of. Even some rangers don’t know.

A lot of ranger refuse to or dont know how to keep thier pets alive. Giving fuel to the notion that we do less damage. Some ranger refuse to master the 1h sword or melee in general adding to the fuel that we have less dps.

Some players also have the old trinity notion and can’t see beyond armor type.

Yes some other class do gc better however they tend to end up faced down or complete content in the most cheesiest way possible.

Some classess make one or two encounter easier but no class is require for any content. Those that think so are usually the ones that glitch the most and whine about content being to hard. So dont worry about it.

Oh and DnT uses spirits.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

A lot of ranger refuse to or dont know how to keep thier pets alive. Giving fuel to the notion that we do less damage. Some ranger refuse to master the 1h sword or melee in general adding to the fuel that we have less dps.

Can you blame them? I myself have really tried to learn how to use the 1h-sword properly, but it still feels clunky as hell.

A lot of ranger refuse to or dont know how to keep thier pets alive. Giving fuel to the notion that we do less damage. Some ranger refuse to master the 1h sword or melee in general adding to the fuel that we have less dps

1h sword mastery – 1111111111111111111111 sounds difficult.
Watch the video above…that’s all he does.

Conan.8046:

A lot of ranger refuse to or dont know how to keep thier pets alive. Giving fuel to the notion that we do less damage. Some ranger refuse to master the 1h sword or melee in general adding to the fuel that we have less dps

1h sword mastery – 1111111111111111111111 sounds difficult.
Watch the video above…that’s all he does.

Meh, Brazil didn’t do too well in that video. He let his pets die and even started RaO with a dead pet out. I would not say he’s pro at ranger, conan. But he sure isn’t bad and has done some excellent theorycrafting.

Rangers have a bad name. Thank the people standing egoistically in their own healing spring while shooting arrows and contributing nothing but damage to the deal. Oh and when hit, they die. A good Ranger is really powerful and amazing to have in a group, but the average Ranger (like average Thieves) are just terrible and not worth the time. “Bad” players are considered to should have rolled a Warrior instead.

The problem, most rangers face is -justified- prejudice.
There are just so many bear+longbow-I-will-keep-firing-into-this-feedback-bubble-till-I-die-rangers out there, it’s mindblowing.
Like the worst of the worst players sat together, discussed for a bit and then decided, everyone of them shall play a ranger.

I wouldn’t kick a ranger from my party.
If he had a bear and a longbow, I’d ask him to tell his skill build and secondary weapon set tho.

I only made two dungeon instances since I play the game (Molten Facility and Sorrow Embrace story mode) and I was one who died the less. I even managed to revive everyone at the final boss of Molten. Ah, and I have a polar bear and LB.
Maybe I was lucky but I really think that people who kick you from party without even trying to know how you could perform are jerk.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Some people just don’t know what we are cappable of. Even some rangers don’t know.

A lot of ranger refuse to or dont know how to keep thier pets alive. Giving fuel to the notion that we do less damage. Some ranger refuse to master the 1h sword or melee in general adding to the fuel that we have less dps.

I play a ranger for a reason, if I want a sword there are enough of my chars already running around with one. Only one of my chars has a bow :/

There’s nothing wrong with using longbow at range as a swap from melee. Most of ranger damage in zerk build comes from the ranger.

Regarding bears, in ARetreat, you want probably a bear since DPS from pet isn’t as desirable as a tanky / immortal pet that can ressurect someone (compassion training) or protect you. Black bear procs weakness which even makes crits fumble now. Bosses crit.

Open your mind—be shapeless like water. Be flexible and adapt and learn what makes your pets work and why.

there is a difference between using a longbow(heck, even I do that depending on build, if it’s a tough fight with loads of AoE, even with a friggin bear) and using only a longbow, standing still at 1500 range and autoattacking stuff while your party is about to wipe.
95% of the rangers using longbow+bear sadly got the attention span of a wood log as if staring at the hitpoint bar of the champion already needed 100% of their capability to concentrate.

Time to leave the bear&longbow at home.

I’ve been running the same build since beta, which is the build that has only just now gotten some recognition because of this patch and I have never once been kicked from a group for any reason. Dungeons, Fractals, Living Story, makes no difference. I hold my own. They were just jerks.

You have to look at it in terms of probability.

The probability that ANY pug of ANY class is bad, pretty high. At least 50% of pugs are bads.
The probability that a pug ranger is going to add more to a group (like spirits), pretty low.
The probability that a guy who just got to level 80 today knows what he’s doing, very low.
The probability that a ranger with a longbow and/or a bear knows what he’s doing, the limit approaches zero.

It’s possible that a ranger who joins a group happens to run spirits and knows how to use healing spring, has a longbow but only uses it when he has to, and runs a bear only for when his dps pet is dead…. but its hilariously unlikely. Safe bet is to kick the ranger, take a warrior or a guardian because even pugs on their first day at 80 can play them and be effective and can make massive contributions to group success. In MMO’s, some players are jerks and will judge you before you get a chance to prove yourself. Keep your chin up.

Kick the guy with the longbow and keep the guy using auto attacks…this game is screwed lol.

Raven.9603:

The probability that a guy who just got to level 80 today knows what he’s doing, very low.

How does this one make sense. If you don’t know how to play your class by, generously, 50 you’re doing something very wrong. Who doesn’t know every aspect of their character by 80? You got your last relevant skill 40-50 levels ago and have just been building your traits.

Rangers are better at pinning down plunderers than any other class. Moreso if they’re sylvari rangers. Point blank shot, barrage, spike trap, frost trap, entangle, muddy terrain, winter’s bite, intimidating howl, pretty much any spider pet, and if you’re sylvari, grasping vines.

Timing it right, I can immobilize a plunderer for…about 35 seconds.

People are ignorant.

I have good survivability with my ranger. Survivability = staying alive to rez their sorry arses when they go down.

They should at least request what kind of profession they want in their group before recruiting you.

naphack.9346:

The problem, most rangers face is -justified- prejudice.
There are just so many bear+longbow-I-will-keep-firing-into-this-feedback-bubble-till-I-die-rangers out there, it’s mindblowing.
Like the worst of the worst players sat together, discussed for a bit and then decided, everyone of them shall play a ranger.

Yeah, after playing around with a lot of different builds and other classes, I think this is it. It’s not that ranger sucks, it’s that a large fraction of the ranger players suck.

For the most part, the other classes have to adapt or die. If they’re using a terrible build or tactics, they die. Often. Enough for the player to get frustrated and change their build/tactics, or quit to try another class.

Not so with ranger. You can have a terrible build, and your pet will still tank and kill stuff for you. So players don’t get the feedback (deaths) from the game telling them that their build or tactics suck and they need to change something. The players who were constantly dying when they tried to play elementalist or thief or even guardian, they start a ranger and find they still live despite their dumb mistakes, and decide they’ve found “their” class.

And as a result, most of the sucky players end up as rangers.

Solandri.9640:

naphack.9346:

The problem, most rangers face is -justified- prejudice.
There are just so many bear+longbow-I-will-keep-firing-into-this-feedback-bubble-till-I-die-rangers out there, it’s mindblowing.
Like the worst of the worst players sat together, discussed for a bit and then decided, everyone of them shall play a ranger.

Yeah, after playing around with a lot of different builds and other classes, I think this is it. It’s not that ranger sucks, it’s that a large fraction of the ranger players suck.

For the most part, the other classes have to adapt or die. If they’re using a terrible build or tactics, they die. Often. Enough for the player to get frustrated and change their build/tactics, or quit to try another class.

Not so with ranger. You can have a terrible build, and your pet will still tank and kill stuff for you. So players don’t get the feedback (deaths) from the game telling them that their build or tactics suck and they need to change something. The players who were constantly dying when they tried to play elementalist or thief or even guardian, they start a ranger and find they still live despite their dumb mistakes, and decide they’ve found “their” class.

And as a result, most of the sucky players end up as rangers.

But, if death is the penalty for being bad, and as rangers they don’t die, how does this, then define them as bad. They are succeeding at not dying, and I’m sorry but your pet is not going to save you if you don’t know how to play. Just look at all the threads from rangers asking to get rid of their pets because they die. If a ranger is saved from death because of how they use their pet they are a good ranger, not a bad player.

Pets are great just have to know how to use them and actually look at their f2 skills instead of picking a bird or something cause I wanna look like a pirate :P

Haha, I’m the archetypical bad ranger, except I don’t play that way when I’m out by myself, I just do when I’m in a group!

When I play by myself, I do all the class can manage, I spec and gear for damage, and survive by being active and controlling the situation. And I use cats or spiders depending on mood, never bears.

But when I play in a group, I pull out my longbow and my trusty brown bear, and put up my comfy healing spring at the 1,500 m mark!

Why? Why am I such a bad player in groups, when I actually know how to handle myself out in the world?

I’ll tell you why:

Because a flimsy Ranger with crit gear and direct damage traits doesn’t stand a chance up close to a boss. I’d die like a fly if I stood there, so I stand at 1,500 m and push my ranged damage rotation (2-1-1-1-1… repeat). That way, at least I contribute a little damage. With emphasis on the word “little”, of course, since ranged damage sucks.

In short, if you want me to contribute more to a group, tell Arenanet to make my class suck less. If ranged direct damage wasn’t so extremely underwhelming in this game, I wouldn’t have to go all in with aggressive gear and traits to make it viable, and then I might have some chance to survive up close to a boss, and then I could play better than a monkey in a group setting.

Having to justify yourself to a High Council of random players you don’t know as to why you can stay and play with them?
Telling them what your secondary weapon set and build are just to keep your foot in the door?

lol what kind of nonsense.
Come to WvW, all of you, leave this PvE idiocy behind. No one’s going to ask you your build unless you’ve reached the like, uber elite GvG’s level.

If you want to PvE play Skyrim, no one will judge you (at least no one you can’t kill for trying) and you can ride dragons, fly airships, and did I mention fly airships. Your companions there will be only supportive and will never kick you from the party like these cretins I hear about in our forums all day. And there’s a LOT more shiny gear to collect!

In WvW, if you have legs to carry supply with, if you can follow directions, you’re welcome. You can fight to your heart’s content and do so defending the honor of your server. Your skills will get FAR sharper than they ever would be fighting NPCs and you can judge your OWN worth in how much invader blood you spill!

Give up PvE today, and join with the Mist Warriors upon the battlefield!

Rangers, along with Thieves, are fine in group PvE but they’ve been given a bad reputation by all of the mouth-breathers that play them. I’m a bit wary of grouping with Rangers (or Thieves) in PvE but I’ve never kicked or seen someone get kicked just for their class…

There are a lot of idiots out there that think only Warriors, Guardians, and Mesmers are any good in PvE; ignore them.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raven.9603:

The probability that a guy who just got to level 80 today knows what he’s doing, very low.

How does this one make sense. If you don’t know how to play your class by, generously, 50 you’re doing something very wrong. Who doesn’t know every aspect of their character by 80? You got your last relevant skill 40-50 levels ago and have just been building your traits.

There is more to a dungeon than knowing how to play your class. You also have to know the dungeon itself, and its improbable that a day 1 level 80 knows the dungeon. Imagine what would happen to a longbow + brown bear Ranger in CoF path 1 when he starts asking how the fights go, or when he gets left in the dust as the groups run past the trash?

Somoe.3621:

Rangers, along with Thieves, are fine in group PvE but they’ve been given a bad reputation by all of the mouth-breathers that play them. I’m a bit wary of grouping with Rangers (or Thieves) in PvE but I’ve never kicked or seen someone get kicked just for their class…

There are a lot of idiots out there that think only Warriors, Guardians, and Mesmers are any good in PvE; ignore them.

Got into a full party but when they saw the paw icon, i got kicked and was only in the party for 5 secs…

To be honest i don’t know if i will continue playing Ranger, the reputation it has received is too great even if they did get a slight buff this patch, she has a Chop-it-all axe so i could use her for gathering..

I’ll try and find an actual active guild too, perhaps i will even experience my first dungeon sometime soon.

Thank you everyone for your input.

Raven.9603:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raven.9603:

The probability that a guy who just got to level 80 today knows what he’s doing, very low.

How does this one make sense. If you don’t know how to play your class by, generously, 50 you’re doing something very wrong. Who doesn’t know every aspect of their character by 80? You got your last relevant skill 40-50 levels ago and have just been building your traits.

There is more to a dungeon than knowing how to play your class. You also have to know the dungeon itself, and its improbable that a day 1 level 80 knows the dungeon. Imagine what would happen to a longbow + brown bear Ranger in CoF path 1 when he starts asking how the fights go, or when he gets left in the dust as the groups run past the trash?

Um, he asks, and the group tells him, just like for any class?

I’ve done all the dungeons and I use longbow and brown bear primarily. Longbow because I’m specced Marksman, and Brown Bear because it’s the most durable.

Conan.8046:

Kick the guy with the longbow and keep the guy using auto attacks…this game is screwed lol.

But they are melee auto attacks. Everyone knows melee weapons are harder to use when bosses die in 16 seconds while ranged weapon have to avoid range-hate exclusive mechanics and bosses usually longer than 16 seconds to kill.

The hilarious part about this is a lot of cult of players praising the ranger in CoF right now are doing so on the heels of someone who claims that the longbow has only slightly inferior DPS than the sword (this probably doesn’t factor in the might stacks from sword auto boosting pet DPS slightly). So the guy who claims sword DPS is good is right about that, but in the same thread you guys are going to say longbow builds are garbage?

There is nothing wrong with long bow and bear builds. Each player has thier own weakness and if having a bear keeps you from having a dead pet then run the bear. Long bow can out dps short bow if used properly. 1h sword mastery doesnt consist of 1111111. Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake. Look at eles thier best set-up comes from dual daggers.

Honestly alot of you need to re-evaluate this class and stop using other MMO’s as a base for classes in this game. There are lots of videos in the ranger guide section take a look at them. Learn what sword mastery is. It has great uses in spvp and WvW.

One last thing when comparing dps you need to consider what both the ranger and pet are pumping out. If you cant keep your pet alive or only have them on passive then you are fueling the idea that rangers are bad.

With all thing considered I will take a bad ranger over any other poorly played class. In fact I take a bad ranger over a well played Warrior or engineer but thats just me (in Pve).

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake.

Actually, it’s our signature weapon because in GW1 all Ranger attacks used longbow.

The new games does follow the rules of the all game. The are very few things that are the same considering this is the sequal. Like for one the trinity has changed there are no monks. No dual proffession there are more major things different than alike.

Are you all from NA? Because i’m from EU and i’d never been kicked from a group with my ranger…

Serraphin Storm.2369:

There is nothing wrong with long bow and bear builds. Each player has thier own weakness and if having a bear keeps you from having a dead pet then run the bear. Long bow can out dps short bow if used properly. 1h sword mastery doesnt consist of 1111111. Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake. Look at eles thier best set-up comes from dual daggers.

Honestly alot of you need to re-evaluate this class and stop using other MMO’s as a base for classes in this game. There are lots of videos in the ranger guide section take a look at them. Learn what sword mastery is. It has great uses in spvp and WvW.

One last thing when comparing dps you need to consider what both the ranger and pet are pumping out. If you cant keep your pet alive or only have them on passive then you are fueling the idea that rangers are bad.

With all thing considered I will take a bad ranger over any other poorly played class. In fact I take a bad ranger over a well played Warrior or engineer but thats just me (in Pve).

It’s not about the build, it’s about the player using them.
90% of players who run around with bear+longbow simply play bad and it would make no difference, if you replaced them with a stationary turret, dealing 2000 dps to a boss. The problem with ranger is, you neither get punished for being bad, nor for having a bad build (for doing both, you WILL get punished, tho, the pet can only carry you THAT far…) While levelling my ranger, at times I hat 16 unspent trait points and gear 20 lev below my current level, not to speak of the level 10 trinkets. I simply didn’t care, as my birds carried me with sick dps and all I had to do was make sure, they don’t die by timing my heals, sending them after important high dps targets to blind/chill, swapping them out in time etc. Yes, I could have levelled way faster, but I couldn’t be arsed dragging my character to a trader to get new equip, when my pet still did huge damage.
Thing is, tho, I played like a ton of pvp games on that very same ranger, I just never bothered to level her in pve before, while raking up tons of (hotjoin) games with that one character. I don’t think, any random player who just started picking up the ranger could get away with playing dual birds with such a sloppy playstyle.
On the other hand, there is still GETTING the gear on your level, USING trait points(at level 62, I had to buy both masters and grandmasters manual, that’s, how much I cared about traits. It went fluent and I killed stuff quickly, so I never bothered looking at what my equip/traits are like) and just standing behind a nigh unkillable(in open world anyway) bear and autoattacking.

The pet can carry you through open world pve to ridiculous lengths, so much, it advocates bad playstyle. You really get lazy, when levelling as a ranger and if you don’t do stuff where your build actually DOES matter(spvp, wvw, dungeons), you will never get to know, just how much potential for improvement there actually is. Then those people come into wvw with their bear and longbow and expect the opponents to go for their pets, while they stand far behind, trying to outrange the opponent, get trapped in a feedback bubble and proceed killing themselves with their own rapid fire. That’s not even a joke. It’s just then, when those people who just became 80 and never did anything besides standing behind their bear with a longbow, and frankly, have no clue, how to actually play anything other than that, get their reality check, that most prejudices against rangers are created. There is not any othere class, where you can get to level 80 while still being so clueless about what your class can do. This privilege is reserved for the ranger, who for most parts gets carried through open world pve by his pet and then runs into a wall when trying any other sort of content.

Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake.

From guild wars site…under professions.
Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

And what does that have to do with the rest?
They are the only class, which can use both types of bows, so it does hold true. Anything else does not matter. Unparalleled archers: Can use both types of bow, which no other profession is capable of. Doesn’t mean, they have to be the signature weapon.

IMO anyone who kicks anyone based on Professions alone is narrow minded. Every class is full of potential,

How the hell does someone know how good/bad someone is based on profession alone?

I still get kicked even if i do some rabid trapping build with 2k + condition damage , access to chill , immobilize , stun . fire and water blast fields and pets actually useful in this situation like wolf or spiders .

Using weapons like shortbow , axe / Torch , axe / warhorn or sword / torch , sword /warhorn . Pugs will throw you out for one more zerker GS warrior.

Conan.8046:

Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake.

From guild wars site…under professions.
Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

Does this really need to be repeated yet again?

Stop praising the profession page on GW2.com! There has yet to been given an official response as to what they mean with “unparralelled archers” and the part after that simply states that bows are a ranged weapon (derp)

Ranger is the only class that can use both the Short Bow and Longbow. That is the ranger exclusive (unparralleled) part.

If you really think the ranger is an unparralleled archer because they are better at using bows than other professions you are probably playing a different game than me.

As for the whole Longbow vs. Sword discussion; Sword does more damage, use it if you can live with it and like it. It’s PvE. Stuff dies. Easy. If you find your pet dying too much use a more sturdy pet like a bear until you can manage a higher damage pet. If you find yourself dying too much gear/trait for a bit more defense, use a more defensive weapon or learn the encounters better.

As for the guy saying a ranger dies instant in the face of a boss encounter… Just no. If you know what animations to dodge and when, you should have no problem at all. Any class can get away with staying in melee range in this game, that’s not because everyone is running power-vitality-toughness gear.

Ranger is the only class that can use both the Short Bow and Longbow. That is the ranger exclusive (unparralleled) part.
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Your just making stuff up, saying that because we can use two types of bow…who cares…engineers are only class that can use two types of gun. Thief is only class that can use two daggers…and warrior can duel wield swords….means nothing.

Guild wars 1 all Rangers used bows and your going to say its not their signature weapon? why because it doesn’t suit you? Unparalleled doesn’t mean unique.

It means – not paralleled; unequaled or unmatched; peerless.

Conan.8046:

Unparalleled doesn’t mean unique.

It means – not paralleled; unequaled or unmatched; peerless.

The Ranger’s ability to wield both types of bows is unmatched.
So what other profession can use 2 types of bows? None – there is no equal.

All I said was it has not been confirmed by devs what is meant with “unparralleled archer”. If you use it as an argument that Rangers should have the best bow abilities; I say it holds no ground. Sure Bows are the Ranger’s signature weapon from GW1, that does not make it more effective in this game. They are the GW2 ranger’s signature weapon only because it is the only class that can use both bows.

Mind you; I base my claims on findings ingame (Ranger bows being sub-par and it being the only profession that can wield both bow types) rather than base my claims on how I would want the game to be. Comparing GW1 to GW2 is kind of pointless as it is a different game.

I was the last survivor in my team of all 80’s on t3 trial as a level 16 ranger. idk why people hate this class so much ( and we actually passed because i survived )

naphack.9346:

On the other hand, there is still GETTING the gear on your level, USING trait points(at level 62, I had to buy both masters and grandmasters manual, that’s, how much I cared about traits. It went fluent and I killed stuff quickly, so I never bothered looking at what my equip/traits are like) and just standing behind a nigh unkillable(in open world anyway) bear and autoattacking.

Sorry, but this is just how the game works. It has nothing to do with being a Ranger. The only class I don’t have is a Mesmer because I just can’t get behind them. I have 9 characters with an average level of 50, and that all play like this. This game is not that hard. Granted I don’t just auto attack, that would be stupid, but your traits and gear are not all that important where the greater world is concerned. Hell, until recently my main still have a few piece of fine gear and more level 70s stuff than 80. I did all my dungeon running in that stuff and never had a problem.

JorneMormel.9850:

Conan.8046:

Ranger doesnt mean archer so thinking that the bow is our signature weapon is another mistake.

From guild wars site…under professions.
Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

Does this really need to be repeated yet again?

Stop praising the profession page on GW2.com! There has yet to been given an official response as to what they mean with “unparralelled archers” and the part after that simply states that bows are a ranged weapon (derp)

I think you’re missing the point. He’s just pointing out that ANet does point out the bow over every other weapon available to them. According to the class page Ranger DOES mean Archer and the Bow is our signature weapon. A statement in direct contention to the specific responce he was arguing with.

meikodesign.6471:

Are you all from NA? Because i’m from EU and i’d never been kicked from a group with my ranger…

Take these claims about Rangers being kicked with a grain of salt.

I would wager that most of these claims are gross exaggerations by very poor Ranger players that were kicked for OTHER reasons than the class they picked. And then there are those that simply out right lie on the forums, believing somehow that Anet will read this and “buff” their class – lol. But yes, there is that teeny-tiny percentage of guys that had the misfortune of pugging with some uber-leet teenagers from WoW and got kicked for being Rangers.

Overall though, don’t buy the hype/whine, because for the most part it’s total bull-crap.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Raven.9603:

There is more to a dungeon than knowing how to play your class. You also have to know the dungeon itself, and its improbable that a day 1 level 80 knows the dungeon. Imagine what would happen to a longbow + brown bear Ranger in CoF path 1 when he starts asking how the fights go, or when he gets left in the dust as the groups run past the trash?

Um, he asks, and the group tells him, just like for any class?

Start asking how fights go on COF1, and people will vote kick you because they expect you to know the fights already. If they dont, its only because it would take a minute to replace you that they dont want to spend.

Kal Spiro.9745:

I’ve done all the dungeons and I use longbow and brown bear primarily. Longbow because I’m specced Marksman, and Brown Bear because it’s the most durable.

Thats neither the right reason to use those things, nor even remotely optimal. This is part of why groups kick rangers.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Hell, until recently my main still have a few piece of fine gear and more level 70s stuff than 80. I did all my dungeon running in that stuff and never had a problem.

…….and if they knew that, they’d have probably kicked you from many explorable groups. Not being bothered to spend 1g on a full set of lvl80 rares to wear while earning tokens for your exotics basically means you let your groups carry you. People expect each other to pull their weight. A guy in a level 80 explorable wearing lvl 70 blues and greens isnt doing that.

Longbow brown bear rangers are usually bad, and groups in MMO’s have a tendency to not be nice people.