Guild Wars 2

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I think what TheMaskedParadigm is trying to get at, is the fact that the lava shaman’s “burning when standing still” only applies when you’ve stopped moving for more than one second. In essence, you could have stutter-stepped the entire time instead of run circles around the boss and achieved the same end.

And probably less cramping on your movement key fingers. Ow! Ow!

The ranger class isn’t… too bad. I enjoy it, though I think it needs a name change. Calling it a “Ranger” and then giving it the description Anet did leads many (including myself) to believe that it is a primarily ranged-heavy class.

But I still looooove melee.

Understanding boss mechanics can take some time, especially when you’re trying to master the use of the 1h sword and probably the dagger (because who doesn’t want extra evades on their evades, plus dodges?). Though, I can still have fun in CoE P2, staying in (mostly) melee with Subject Alpha and using the evades tied into my sword’s #2 and 3 skills to completely avoid his AoEs.

And I, like a few others in here, won’t immediately kick a ranger when grouping for dungeons.

….But seeing a bear pet still makes me cringe, and my spine tingle (not in a good way). Drakes and dogs are almost as survivable and can deal better AoE damage or add some CC to a fight!

I’m a crappy ranger player and I admit it. My weapon sets are longbow and axe/torch, and I don’t like doing close-up melee as much as mid-range or long-range depending on enemy mobility.

I like to use a wolf and moa, though I certainly only like to use that moa for the screech and to keep it up until the wolf is back. I don’t like bears all that much, though I use one underwater due to not really trusting drakes.

I’ve never been autokicked but I have been told (politely and firmly) that groups don’t want rangers. The only consolation I have is that while I am working a warrior I’m even worse playing it . . . and it still gets invites all the time.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I was full zerker, timing dodges and finishers in my water combo field. Not sure why you’re going on about me doing the wrong thing, it was the best thing to do at the time unless I felt like getting the other person killed.

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I was full zerker, timing dodges and finishers in my water combo field. Not sure why you’re going on about me doing the wrong thing, it was the best thing to do at the time unless I felt like getting the other person killed.

Now you talk about wearing Berserker’s gear and dodging. You previously said “tanking the damage.” You don’t tank damage in Berserker’s gear. You’d also be better suited to drag the boss away from the person reviving and the people that are dead instead of circling around him.

I don’t understand this overwhelming need for players yo tell them they are doing ng it wrong when things aren’t done the way they would do them. As if people didn’t have any personality or choice about the way they choose to play, and required a specific set of “expert” rules to “win” at GW2.

Not meant as a personal attack against any poster, it’s just the apparent general attitude of a few, which I can only boil down to ego and wanting others to recognize them and do as they would (otherwise, “they are doing it wrong”.)

You know what’s wrong? To tell others they are wrong for doing things their own way.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I was full zerker, timing dodges and finishers in my water combo field. Not sure why you’re going on about me doing the wrong thing, it was the best thing to do at the time unless I felt like getting the other person killed.

Now you talk about wearing Berserker’s gear and dodging. You previously said “tanking the damage.” You don’t tank damage in Berserker’s gear. You’d also be better suited to drag the boss away from the person reviving and the people that are dead instead of circling around him.

Did he fail? No. Did he let down his group? No. Did his group praise him for his success and his ability to hold the boss while they were brought back since THEY did fail? Yes.

Why are you arguing bullkitten concepts of how you think it should be done? No one actually cares, because he did good. How exactly is anything you have to say here relevant when he succeeded and gained the admiration of his group in the process?

I get that you seem to feel you’re some sort of authority on how to play a Ranger, but when someone isn’t struggling and in fact doing well for the class, I think your “services” in that regard are neither needed, nor appreciated.

huh ive never used bear or longbow….. lol.

Though cant blame many peeps for not using sword… it feels like crap to use… can cause death more often than not as most of its skills other than auto attack can cause you to jump off a cliff lol… But it is amazing dps… just the mechanics behind it kitten most off.

Kal Spiro.9745:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Celebratty.1632:

If they kick you inside a dungeon, its because of poor performance. I run longbow (or s/d)/gs full zerker with drake/cat(or wolf depending) and have yet to get a complaint. I’ve had people compliment me for something as simple as circling around a boss and timing GS dodges for 30 seconds while the other party member ressed the people who died. Its because people look at rangers and sigh because of what a noobtrap class we are. Easy to level, someone who looks at trailers are going to think we’re cool because we have a pet, people think we’re supposed to be snipers, etc. When you play well everyone is glad to have you, but when you play badly they don’t want you.

You are really better suited just to stand still only move when you need to dodge. Running in circles around a boss creates unnecessary clutter and is pretty irritating to a lot of people.

Lava frac. Standing still isn’t a good idea

You didn’t even comprehend what I wrote.

Not sure if you comprehended..
I was the only one on the boss and was tanking the damage in the lava fractal, the other person alive was ressing the people who got themselves wiped. Circling around the boss was the only thing that kept me from melting to burning.

Why tank damage when you get away with minimal movement and dodge the Agony arrows? If you were also “tanking” his damage, you probably had on loads of Toughness and Vitality, the Fractal level was probably low, and in a case like that, being the one who survived by leeching from the party doesn’t make you the hero the party deserves.

I was full zerker, timing dodges and finishers in my water combo field. Not sure why you’re going on about me doing the wrong thing, it was the best thing to do at the time unless I felt like getting the other person killed.

Now you talk about wearing Berserker’s gear and dodging. You previously said “tanking the damage.” You don’t tank damage in Berserker’s gear. You’d also be better suited to drag the boss away from the person reviving and the people that are dead instead of circling around him.

Did he fail? No. Did he let down his group? No. Did his group praise him for his success and his ability to hold the boss while they were brought back since THEY did fail? Yes.

Why are you arguing bullkitten concepts of how you think it should be done? No one actually cares, because he did good. How exactly is anything you have to say here relevant when he succeeded and gained the admiration of his group in the process?

I get that you seem to feel you’re some sort of authority on how to play a Ranger, but when someone isn’t struggling and in fact doing well for the class, I think your “services” in that regard are neither needed, nor appreciated.

I feel I’m some authority on Ranger? No, not really. And if you are going to make remarks about how no one cares, you don’t understand what it means not to care.

Star Ace.5207:

You know what’s wrong? To tell others they are wrong for doing things their own way.

Don’t think I will get the following 100% correct, but here goes:

— We don’t think pressing 1 repeatedly is fun.
— We decreased the range of short bow to make long bow more appealing.

PenPen.5370:

Star Ace.5207:

You know what’s wrong? To tell others they are wrong for doing things their own way.

Don’t think I will get the following 100% correct, but here goes:

— We don’t think pressing 1 repeatedly is fun.
— We decreased the range of short bow to make long bow more appealing.

I’m not following how this relates to the quote. Are you implying that’s what ANet does, because if so you’re not reading the quote in the right context.

Also, longbow vulnerability was NERFED FOR PVE but buffed for pvp. It used to stack all 10 at once on a 12s instant cooldown, rather than the total 13s cd or so of rapid fire.. Now it’s saddled to a long channel lower than autoattack when at range dps attack that doesn’t put all stacks on at once. This is nice in pvp since there’s less of a chance of all your arrows being dodged than that one arrow being dodged.

This change is kinda OK for how I typically use my longbow though, which is either to pull mobs with damage from far away, to switch to a ranged weapon when I need a breath away from melee range, or if my pet does, or to place a spirit in the distance. The total channel times for barrage and rapid fire, both of which don’t lose effectiveness for being close, is usually long enough for the weapon swap cooldown to finish so you can get back to slashing.

I hate rangers with perma longbows and bears. If a vote kick were ever initiated on one, I’d click that little green check in a heart beat.

Haven’t really used my ranger in a while though. How’s that vulnerability on maul instead of bleed feel? I kinda liked seeing those extra damage ticks on the greatsword’s damage ability.

Kal Spiro.9745:

PenPen.5370:

Star Ace.5207:

You know what’s wrong? To tell others they are wrong for doing things their own way.

Don’t think I will get the following 100% correct, but here goes:

— We don’t think pressing 1 repeatedly is fun.
— We decreased the range of short bow to make long bow more appealing.

I’m not following how this relates to the quote. Are you implying that’s what ANet does, because if so you’re not reading the quote in the right context.

Both yes and no.

I am not saying ANet made some players judge on other players’ play-style. We will always have subjective opinion and different action for expression for such opinion, no matter what.

What I tried to convey is, because of what ANet did, created a meta-gaming for the ranger class. Unfortunately, such meta-gaming can then easily read and/or mis-read into “if ranger (and not X), then bad”, thus simplified the judgement process.

Hope this help,

The reason rangers are looked down upon so much is lets face it. A warrior is a better LB ranger in the long run. Im a ranger to the very core but i have seen what those warrior rangers can do and it appeals to people more. Due to the fact that they have OUR FIRE ARROWS and they have multi-shots just like us. But if someone asked me personally i say Ranger all day is best characters cause thats my class on ever game. But to other people a warrior is a better ranger due to certain wep skills, higher defence, and damage/burning

The reason why rangers are looked down on is they don’t perform ANY function as well as at least one other profession.

And if some one wants to play with a longbow and bear then surely this should be just as viable as any other choice of weapon/pet? Your weapon and pet choice should be about the utility and play style you want to bring, not about avoiding certain choices because they kitten the party. That’s ANet to fix, not the player. Longbow/bear should be perfectly valid, it’s not the same as voluntarily running around in level 5 armor wielding a level 5 weapon, but playing ranger often feels that way.

I don’t play many dungeons because I’m just not interested in dealing with PUGs and I’m too busy in real life for guild schedules. But my main is a ranger and it rocks for PvE. I usually alternate between sword/warhorn and axe/warhorn. I use the eagle and hawk as pets. When I was leveling to 80, I soloed much of the content in Orr and never had trouble dying while running around I Orr. Even when I was chained and beat on for several seconds, I’d just pop my healing spring and wait it out. I can’t understand how Rangers could level to 80 just standing still, using longbows and bears. I played that way too until level 20 something, then I discovered the SB was uber. Then that got nerfed and I discovered how freaking awesome 1h sword was. I love it!

Actually the axe is my version of the set and forget weapon. Except I’m still relatively close to the mobs that I can die if I’m not careful. And by using birds with high DPS, the birds aren’t tanking for me. I’m the one tanking for them. LOL