Guild Wars 2

My average crit on my Short bow is 850-950 ish

Now after today patch its only 650-790 ish……

I test it again and again with all same equipment that i have when i do 850-950ish dmg….

What weapon are you using? Is it possible certain weapons themselves were nerfed?

are sure that you are not down scaled. it will change your damage output quite alot.

What parser are you using to figure out your average crit?

“If” this turns out to be the case, I’ll be pretty amused. It will mean that SB is going to be brought into line with the Longbow which is by far the worst weapon we have access to.

Balance patching is fine. Stealthing a nerf is NOT. If it gets confirmed I feel bad for anet because that is not something you want to be known for 4 weeks into a new game. I caught I stealth nerf to akali a while back on LoL and it is just something that loses respect for a company. Also shows a lack of respect for the player base when you try to make a change that they wont see. Not needed at all. Would like to see this confirmed or killed quick. I know my first reaction was to go to where I was leveling last night and test it. If it was nerfed it is such a low % that it is unnoticable at my level.

I have to say no because even if I did lose some damage it is not enough to see a 200-250 damage loss at 80 per hit. If I lost damage it was my short bow 1 skill going from 90 damage to 87. Even scaled out that % is not going to effect 200+ damage per crit at lvl 80. A nerf of 20% would have to be in the patch notes. Otherwise you can count on ANet calling us all idiots to our face in the near future.

I think it was nerfed

ilJumperMT.4871:

I think it was nerfed

That may be but not a 20+% nerf. They should buff the longbow not nerf the shortbow.

yep it was nerfed, doing about 15%? less damage per non-crit and 20% less damage per crit.

gg now rangers have no good weapons and are basically a fail class.

I’m not saying it was or was not nerfed, but a few hours of playing and saying, “these crits seem to be smaller than I am used to” isn’t exactly concrete evidence of a nerf. I’d wait a little bit before claiming the sky is falling and that Rangers are all of a sudden a terrible class. Then again, behaving this way wouldn’t exactly be the norm for MMORPG message board behavior, where every other class always has it better than the class you are playing.

Considering how overepowered it has been I’ve been expecting this.

Shortbow was doing the same dmg as rapid fire.

If this is true that is.

How can it be a 20% damage nerf at lvl 80 and near unnoticeable at lvl 40? Why are some level 80s seeing this and not others? this forum would have blown up by now if everyone was seeing it. fill out a bug report and blame it on the weapon maybe ANet will respond to that and confirm nerfed or not.

Also Bow fighting is what got me to play the ranger. I loved shortbow on my thief and I will say. 650+ on a crit is still pretty awesome.

Precision/ power/ crit damage build based around quickness will still be strong even with a small nerf. But 20% is to much to not be mentioned in notes.

I have no clue if its nerfd, but it can’t be by much as it is stil a beast in spvp. That bow and quickness is on par with the insane thief burst.

Haven’t noticed anything. If it was changed, it certainly isn’t the 15-20% people are saying it is.

Shortbow was overpowered as it is. Also, if you are saying Longbow is the worse weapon, you are wrong. It is amazing if you are coordinating weapon swaps with the shortbow. It has an interupts and two skills that can hit 18k crits, one of which is AoE… Not only that, it also has a skill that inflicts 10 stacks of vulnerability. PLUS, its auto attack does 1.8k crits and 1.3k normal and its speed is half of shortbow.

Ranger was OP before and as a ranger, I felt it was extremely overpowered being able to down warriors in seconds. Now its pretty even. Also, pets can still hit for 4k crits still, so whats the problem?

Dajman.2740:

How can it be a 20% damage nerf at lvl 80 and near unnoticeable at lvl 40? Why are some level 80s seeing this and not others? this forum would have blown up by now if everyone was seeing it. fill out a bug report and blame it on the weapon maybe ANet will respond to that and confirm nerfed or not.

I haven’t been watching numbers however I have been farming lower level zones for crafting mats and just last night moved up to level 70-80 zones and it felt like it was taking me a lot longer to kill mobs then when I was still leveling in the same zone. I even looked at my gear a few times to see if anything was broken or I somehow didn’t have someone equipped correctly.

junri.5821:

Shortbow was overpowered as it is. Also, if you are saying Longbow is the worse weapon, you are wrong. It is amazing if you are coordinating weapon swaps with the shortbow. It has an interupts and two skills that can hit 18k crits, one of which is AoE… Not only that, it also has a skill that inflicts 10 stacks of vulnerability. PLUS, its auto attack does 1.8k crits and 1.3k normal and its speed is half of shortbow.

Ranger was OP before and as a ranger, I felt it was extremely overpowered being able to down warriors in seconds. Now its pretty even. Also, pets can still hit for 4k crits still, so whats the problem?

What a bunch of misinformation, longbow has one interrupt not multiple. There is nothing on ranger than crits for 18k damage or anywhere close. A full rapid-fire channel on light armor targets might do 8-9k damage in full dps spec with berserkers amulet and divinity runes. IF by pets you mean cats bite skill the dog leap they can hit 4k sometimes but they don’t auto attack people for 4k crits, and only if you have pet traits. There is no way you can kill a warrior in seconds, that is just beyond absurd, maybe if they take off their armor and hit frenzy you could pull that one off. I’m pulling my numbers from extensive SPvP play and testing, I have no idea what game you are playing.

Edit: I guess you are just playing wvw and shooting undergeared people who have 0 chance, regardless of whatever class/weapon you are using.

mmm i was having a hard time farming today in cursed shore but i am not sure. I hope this is false, i have tried multiple weapons and i like non except the shortbow which is the one that does decent damage.

axes dont do enough damage, AoE is kinda fine but single target it takes forever to kill a mob plus axes skill are so boring to use IMO. Greatsword again skill are fun but the damage is laughable, longbow dont like it play style and in the end i do more damage with the SB. If they also going to nerf the SB, only good weapon we have then i suppose we will have to roll warriors or any other, they have everything we dont, support, damage, defense…

time to roll a warrior

It doesn’t appear to be changed on target dummies in the mists.

I had a video recorded from the 10th of me using steady shortbow.
70 hits, 122 crits

I tried it out today using my same old spec – 70 hits, 122 crits.

Keep in mind that vulnerability application has a lot of bugs for rangers and sometimes it applies during opening strike and sometimes it doesn’t. The one for yourself and the one for your pet bugs out for me all the time.

i dont know but i am having a hard time farming now, maybe is just me or my mind but i am not sure. I think i use to crit for around 580 to 600 and now is hardly crit for 500. I am not really sure, i hope i have some videos of earlier days but i don’t have proof. will definitely like official answers to this or someone with proof that is changes or stayed the same

You guys are absurdly wrong, this is just all hearsay and speculation. I have not seen any difference in my damage and i highly doubt people are really tracking their damage as they are still leveling and hitting more than just 1 type of mob. And no you cannot hit a Warrior for 14k damage that is actually geared and not some low level pug in WvW. I would know as I am also in full DPS Exotic Gear and have 95+ crit damage. So stop spreading rumors and ignore this until Anet says something.

It is for sure about 15% nerf in dmg. Its been confirmed on other sites. What i cant figure out is why. it was the last weapon a ranger had that was competitive to other classes with the same stats. Warrior longbow is hands down twice as good as our longbow and twice the dmg with the same stats. Same with swords and greatswords. A ranger will crit for 2k with 3k power and 50% crit dmg with a greatsword. Guardians and warrior will crit for 4 to 5k with exact same stats. The thief shortbow is now doing more dmg then the ranger shortbow with the same stats.

I just cant for the life of me figure out why they have nerfed the ranger had every patch since BWE1. The only logical reason is they are balancing around our pets and everytime they think pets have been fixed we get a hard nerf.

Heres a question Anet. Would you like for everyone to just roll warriors, guardians(healers) or elementalist and call it a day?

If this is true it’s upsetting I would have hoped they would improve the longbow main attack a bit so that it would be a more viable weapon.. and also the greatsword. The Axe is meh but I keep it around because It’s ok against multiple mobs and also I can use my warhorn.
But why do we compare to other classes bows considering we wont ever be able to do as much damage as another class because our pet does a significant portion of our damage? or is it really that unbalanced even without considering the pet? I am genuinely curious because I have only ever played/ wanted to play my ranger.

UnstableOne.5369:

Keep in mind that vulnerability application has a lot of bugs for rangers and sometimes it applies during opening strike and sometimes it doesn’t. The one for yourself and the one for your pet bugs out for me all the time.

Opening Strike has a 900 range limit T.T

…that…doesn’t seem right.
Your sure that’s not a bug?

It probably is, but I’ve only seen it work in a 900 range situation >.<