Guild Wars 2

So, I found that_shaman’s tooltip generator at http://tooltips.thatshaman.com/ and I thought I would play around with the idea I had and wanted for the Ranger specialisation, a Spear Master with Stances and make all the skills and traits I thought would be cool, for a bit of fun myself. What do you think? Please feel free to add your own specialisation ideas!

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

That’s pretty exciting. Can’t wait to try out… o wait

The Spear seems a bit OP in a way that it takes some of the best skills from our other weapons. Just look at the auto attack: cripple, self-might and 1s evade. 3 leaps forward not tied to auto-attack is pretty great too. As a Longbow Ranger I’d drop my greatsword for it and I bet people would exchange their sword for it as well. Full melee Ranger would be scary.

The traits are great, even when using other weapons.
Run as One + Primal Echos + Brutal Strikes seems perfect to me.

• Apply Poison seems a bit too close to Refined Poisons.
• Escape seems a bit of an odd name, since it’ll often be used for gap closing as well.

I’d like to see the stances get 30s base cooldown. They’re all good though.

If Druid is anything like this stuff I’ll be very happy.

bump gj on the traits and stuff! thats really cool I hope they make the druid staff a skirmishing weapon in the sense that it will be more close range but still have a few medium rage skillshots like in the trailer w the vines

That’d be great, Anet should get inspiration from that for druid..
Please don’t make it boring.

EvilZombie.6801:

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

I’d rather have main hand dagger so that we have a 1h main hand power weapon that doesn’t have an auto attack that locks you into an annoying animation.

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

Thanks for the feedback! Surprised nobody commented on the Adept Minor trait yet…

Holland.9351:

…The traits are great, even when using other weapons.
Run as One + Primal Echos + Brutal Strikes seems perfect to me.

• Apply Poison seems a bit too close to Refined Poisons.
• Escape seems a bit of an odd name, since it’ll often be used for gap closing as well…

Well, imo, Refined Toxins should have been Apply Poison

Escape was an elite stance from GW1 and was used more for offense than defense really, which is why it was nerfed for PvP, because melee Rangers were unstoppable with it. Named for that really.

Kreed.2768:

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

I really like the layout of many Ranger skills, so wanted to keep that theme going, but add a lot of mobility, even though it is only 450 range leaps with the 600 shadowstep.

And yeah, Apply Poison is purely for pressure on high sustain builds, you cannot cleanse it, but it hardly does any damage.

I wish Druid will be even slightly good as this is but I know that wont happen because ranger..

What is gs? What is sword?

Ranger lancer should be riding their pets!

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Kreed.2768:

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

I really like the layout of many Ranger skills, so wanted to keep that theme going, but add a lot of mobility, even though it is only 450 range leaps with the 600 shadowstep.

And yeah, Apply Poison is purely for pressure on high sustain builds, you cannot cleanse it, but it hardly does any damage.

Oh yes, Ranger is certainly a profession that has a lot of emphasis on mobility/evasion when it comes to its melee weapons, and a new addition should certainly continue that trend.

You know what I’d love to ranger have as a chain skill for another weapon-tied block skill? Evasion. So, say when the block is triggered, the Ranger performs an evade roll backwards for a short distance (450-ish) or something like that. Would it potentially be a bit over the top for a defensive weapon skill? Perhaps. Would it be cool? Hell yes.

Omg I hope Anet Reads this. Obviously no spear cry but the stances are perfect. you cover anything you could need and really gives a range of options in one utility line. love them all esp if Melandrus Resilience is the heal skill. I found tigers fury hilarious btw.. with markmanship that would be Opening strike every…ummm 2 s on Spear and GS autos? Maybe just a bit OP idk

TL:DR TAKE NOTES ANET!

If they gave Rangers spears at some point or even better spear/shield I would be the happiest person in existence.

Warden anyone?

Kreed.2768:

EvilZombie.6801:

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

I’d rather have main hand dagger so that we have a 1h main hand power weapon that doesn’t have an auto attack that locks you into an annoying animation.

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

daggers are boring so many classes already using daggers, main hand torch would be nice touch something special

either it could be range or melee its up to them but i would like to see it to be melee torch doing stacks of burning damage.

Justine.6351:

What is gs? What is sword?

Ranger lancer should be riding their pets!

WUT? like her http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/3/3d/Tyrandeportrait.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20080901184809

Belarorn.9062:

…I found tigers fury hilarious btw.. with markmanship that would be Opening strike every…ummm 2 s on Spear and GS autos? Maybe just a bit OP idk…

That is why I put an 8s ICD on it, so it synergises with Primal Reflexes and does not just proc on every AA chain. With 2HT having a 10s ICD, its not OP really.

I hope the druid will be good at whatever it is supposed to do (mid ranged support and debuffing/CC, perhaps), and that they introduce something like this with the next spec. The ranger could be in a really good place at that point.

Stances are one of those skill types I expect the ranger to get at some point. They were huge for pvp rangers in the first game. I remember back in the day when I thought they should just scrap our awfull shouts and replace them with stances.

EvilZombie.6801:

Kreed.2768:

EvilZombie.6801:

honestly i would rather have main hand torch so i could go on dual torches burning everything

I’d rather have main hand dagger so that we have a 1h main hand power weapon that doesn’t have an auto attack that locks you into an annoying animation.

On topic: The spear skills seem interesting, even though they largely seem to be slightly altered versions of already existing skills. I feel the poison on hit trait has the potential to be a real cele ele killer.

daggers are boring so many classes already using daggers, main hand torch would be nice touch something special

either it could be range or melee its up to them but i would like to see it to be melee torch doing stacks of burning damage.

For me, personally, main hand torch seems like the far more boring option. I mean, what other things would it be able to do besides apply burning? I don’t feel like the Ranger needs another weapon that relies heavily on applying mainly one single condition for its damage, at least not when something like cele d/d ele is in the current meta.

I skipped this thread several time because I had no desire to read some fictional op bs.
Then I noticed the name of the poster and decided to take a look.

Heimskarl Ashfiend has always had solid grounded ideas, even if I don’t always agree with them. I didn’t like the kit trap idea when it was first posted but, seeing it as part of a bigger picture it fits well.

This has almost all the elements rangers are missing in comparison to other classes. The thing that are still missing wonldnt belong in this specialization and I’m glad they weren’t forced into it.. Lancer has a very clear cut feel while addressing almost everything the ranger is needing (at least on paper).

Anet should really consider consulting with Heimskarl Ashfiend on Ranger changes. I mean just about every class has an advocate whether it be employee, top tier pvp’er , youtube or twitch streamer that has some small voice in anets ear. When it comes to rangers they seem so out of touch.

Outstanding job Heimskarl Ashfiend. I really hope anet is taking notes.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

I skipped this thread several time because I had no desire to read some fictional op bs.
Then I noticed the name of the poster and decided to take a look.

Heimskarl Ashfiend has always had solid grounded ideas, even if I don’t always agree with them. I didn’t like the kit trap idea when it was first posted but, seeing it as part of a bigger picture it fits well.

This has almost all the elements rangers are missing in comparison to other classes. The thing that are still missing wonldnt belong in this specialization and I’m glad they weren’t forced into it.. Lancer has a very clear cut feel while addressing almost everything the ranger is needing (at least on paper).

Anet should really consider consulting with Heimskarl Ashfiend on Ranger changes. I mean just about every class has an advocate whether it be employee, top tier pvp’er , youtube or twitch streamer that has some small voice in anets ear. When it comes to rangers they seem so out of touch.

Outstanding job Heimskarl Ashfiend. I really hope anet is taking notes.

yes excellent job creating something that would trivialize base ranger and warrior in one elite specialization. Hell all the spear ranger would need is rapid fire on skill 2.

How does one spec out of three trivialize base rangers. This spec still would do nothing for real group support. This address some damage modifier issue as well as passive defense

Each class is suppose to be able to fill every role some better than others. Warrior are able to provide great group support with banner and ps while at the same time dealing great damage and superior tankiness. With all the things that lancer would bring it would not make ranger a better choice then a warrior.

People focus to much on damage: damage alone doesn’t make a class viable.

Justine.6351:

yes excellent job creating something that would trivialize base ranger and warrior in one elite specialization. Hell all the spear ranger would need is rapid fire on skill 2.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying it trivializes base Ranger. That in mind, it would definitely make it a lot better and what is the point of having specialisations, if they do not improve the base class? Also, it wouldn’t take much improvement to trivialise most of our traits, what does that tell you?

Have to agree with Justine here. All of these traits would be a fine addition to the core Ranger traits in place of the lackluster ones. Also, keep in mind that Anet intends on keeping Elite Specializations on par with core ones while having them offer something unique that the class could/did not fulfill generally well or at all – so just having these traits in one line as an Elite spec goes past the intended point from the Devs’ perspective.

I actually don’t like the stances all that much.

Natural Stride is a good one. Great even.

Serpent’s Quickness is almost the same as Quickening Zephyr. I don’t really see the point of it.

Dryder’s Defense 6s protection and 6s retaliation on a 45 cooldown doesn’t sound that great to me. The retaliation is nice since we don’t get it otherwise, but it’s hardly worth it I think. Protection is worse than Signet of Stone and Protect Me.

Beastial Fury 5s Fury and 5s Might(x5) on a 45 cooldown isn’t that great. You could argue it would be good together with Remorseless, but we’re talking 5 attacks with 25% more damage and 100% crit chance. Signet of the Wild gives you infinite hits for 25% more damage for 8 seconds, but also stability, 50% movement speed and doesn’t cost a GM trait. I don’t really see how Beastial Fury can compete.

Melandru’s Resilience I disliked this one when I first saw it, but I can see the use of it. It’s an extra heal on the utility slot that would go well with Rapid Fire and Barrage for example, especially against retaliation in WvW.

So I only really like Natural Stride and Melandru’s Resilience. They have their own identity and bring something new to the class. The others are a bit lacking.

Serpent Quickness should apply 1.5s Vigor and 5s Swiftness as well to give it an identity.

Dryder’s Defense should apply 3s stability every second as well. We don’t have stability without a cast time yet.

Bestial Fury should apply 3s Fury and 3s Might(x5) every second. So at least it’ll have an uptime of 15s on the boons every 45.

Well, Serpents Quickness can be absurdly powerful in the right circumstances, like I mentioned earlier, you can potentially stacks 25s of quickness with it could use a little something though, as you said.
Dryders is 7.5s of unstrippable protection with a stunbreak that you can trait for 36s CD with 9s duration (with no boon duration), take a look at armor of earth for ele, it has 75s CD (mostly because of the stability) and is only 6s prot.
The point with Beastial Fury is that you do indeed use it with Remorseless, it can still be combined with Sig of Wild, if it were better than that, the combination would be super OP. You have to look at how the skills interact when balancing, not just whether or not one is better than another.

All just ideas.

How do you get 25 seconds out of it? Do you mean using Serpent’s Quickness together with Quickening Zephyr?

And yes, using these skills in combination could be OP if they’re so similar. Maybe that’s why it’s best that they’re different.

Still loved what you did with it