Guild Wars 2

Since the new trait system I have noticed there are no “traits” that pertain to traps. No ground targeting, etc ???? No more trap builds?

Am I missing something? Please let me know if I overlooked something.

Trapper’s Expertise, Adept tier, Skirmishing.

Thank you.. and may I just say, “wow…….”

So, out of (15) Minor and (45) Major assignable traits… there is only (1) that pertains to traps?

How much do you need?

Only need one, all functionality you can have with them is improved by the one trait.

Jedi.7543:

Thank you.. and may I just say, “wow…….”

So, out of (15) Minor and (45) Major assignable traits… there is only (1) that pertains to traps?

Why would there be more than 1?

There is only 1 trait for shouts, 1 for signets, 1 for spirits and 1 for survival skills.

There is also 1 for longbow/harpoon, 1 for sword, 1 for shortbow, 1 for torch/dagger, 1 for warhorn, 1 for greatsword/spear and 1 for axe.

What makes traps special?

Jedi.7543:

Thank you.. and may I just say, “wow…….”

So, out of (15) Minor and (45) Major assignable traits… there is only (1) that pertains to traps?

They are still over powered. Just think, you now have more trait points to use elsewhere. Seriously, it is fine. Seriously, they are still over powered. At least in WvW.

Crapgame.6519:

They are still over powered. Just think, you now have more trait points to use elsewhere. Seriously, it is fine. Seriously, they are still over powered. At least in WvW.

Compared to what exactly?

Substance E.4852:

Crapgame.6519:

They are still over powered. Just think, you now have more trait points to use elsewhere. Seriously, it is fine. Seriously, they are still over powered. At least in WvW.

Compared to what exactly?

Ambient creatures.

Compared to what exactly? Ambient creatures?

No to both. Well, they do wreck ambient creatures which P.E.T.A. doesn’t approve of nor condone. But solo or small parties they are, in my opinion, over powered and offer a lot of mobility and engagement opportunities. You don’t have to agree by any means but having run full zerker in WvW and then trapper with runes my personal survivability has increased ten fold.

Then factor in some of my own personal challenging fights with other classes, Mesmer and Elementals come to mind, the make a difference. Three traps or four with healing spring. Or go healing spring with two other traps and sun spirit.

I don’t know, to me they seem a bit OP. Don’t judge me!

Edit: I also ran trapper runes pre-patch when you could toss them anywhere. While I didn’t like the change at first I think they are 10x better now. It actually makes you think a bit more when you fight or before you engage. Lots of strategic places to drop them and reset the fight only to have them run over them…provided you remember where you placed them or their timers didn’t kick in

YMMV (your mileage may vary) IAHTRTBI (I always hold the right to be incorrect)…

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

WvW. And they are, and have been, since introduced. But you know this already as you list a couple in your build thread. Like I said – OP is subjective. Just my personal opinion that they are.

Crapgame.6519:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

WvW. And they are, and have been, since introduced. But you know this already as you list a couple in your build thread. Like I said – OP is subjective. Just my personal opinion that they are.

+1. Although I’ve only recently picked up ranger (played guard, nec, thief), I can already see how great traps are for low CD high dps and point control in conquest PvP.

Crapgame.6519:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

WvW. And they are, and have been, since introduced. But you know this already as you list a couple in your build thread. Like I said – OP is subjective. Just my personal opinion that they are.

Are they in the PvP meta? No. Therefore, not OP.
I don’t want to argue for the sake of it, but OP is not subjective at all. Something is either clearly far better than other options or it is not and traps are not, mainly due to trap builds lack of utility because running 3 traps means you have no utility skills or stunbreaks and your pet is gonna die real fast due to Empathic Bond.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Crapgame.6519:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

WvW. And they are, and have been, since introduced. But you know this already as you list a couple in your build thread. Like I said – OP is subjective. Just my personal opinion that they are.

Are they in the PvP meta? No. Therefore, not OP.
I don’t want to argue for the sake of it, but OP is not subjective at all. Something is either clearly far better than other options or it is not and traps are not, mainly due to trap builds lack of utility because running 3 traps means you have no utility skills or stunbreaks and your pet is gonna die real fast due to Empathic Bond.

No argument – we can’t really. It is my opinion therefore neither is right or wrong. However, I need to clarify something since you asked if they are in the PvP meta. No, they are not. But then again did I say they are or did I preference my statement by “WvW”?

Like I said – clearly they are used and are an option on the table. You list 3 builds last time I checked.

Now, one could argue that it is a glass half full/empty as to why those particular runes are not in sPvP meta of play. But we don’t need to go there.

Crapgame.6519:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Crapgame.6519:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

If they were OP in any way whatsoever, they would be used extensively in PvP.

WvW. And they are, and have been, since introduced. But you know this already as you list a couple in your build thread. Like I said – OP is subjective. Just my personal opinion that they are.

Are they in the PvP meta? No. Therefore, not OP.
I don’t want to argue for the sake of it, but OP is not subjective at all. Something is either clearly far better than other options or it is not and traps are not, mainly due to trap builds lack of utility because running 3 traps means you have no utility skills or stunbreaks and your pet is gonna die real fast due to Empathic Bond.

No argument – we can’t really. It is my opinion therefore neither is right or wrong. However, I need to clarify something since you asked if they are in the PvP meta. No, they are not. But then again did I say they are or did I preference my statement by “WvW”?

Like I said – clearly they are used and are an option on the table. You list 3 builds last time I checked.

Now, one could argue that it is a glass half full/empty as to why those particular runes are not in sPvP meta of play. But we don’t need to go there.

All I am saying is that if they were powerful skills, they would be seen in the PvP Meta because of its very nature. If they are not popular in PvP by themselves, they cannot be OP, if they need to be combined with trapper runes in WvW to be OP, that is not the fault of the skill, but the rune. But even there, Trapper Ranger is not a particularly popular build.

Traps are perfectly viable for fun PvP builds, but they (trap builds) are hardly OP in any mode, especially PvP.

I really like traps and I want to have a good trap build. But the loss of stunbreaks and good condi removal are such a hindrance. I have said it a bunch of times, but traps need to be made into a kit. Then we would go straight into the PvP meta.

About OP Trapper ranger.
To be competitive, it have to use build that have NO stunbrakes and NO OnUse conditionCleans. Only that way it will perform in pair with other classes, witch can take Stunbrakes on every button, more interrupts and anyway do same or better damage in pvp.

Jedi.7543:

Thank you.. and may I just say, “wow…….”

So, out of (15) Minor and (45) Major assignable traits… there is only (1) that pertains to traps?

There is only one trait that is useful only to traps, but there are multiple traits useful to traps.

• Hidden Barbs
• Poison Master
• Light on your feet
• Most Dangerous game
• Refined Toxin