Guild Wars 2

I’ve been looking into differents topics but as I don’t sPvp much, i would like to have a discussion more WvW oriented.

I actually run a 20/30/15/0/5 build with shortbow and longbow/GS. As i was mainly running with zergs my stuff was close to full berserker.

The idea of the build was to have the higher crit chance possible to gain good condition removal from sigil of purity and good regen from omnom pie (thanks to the sb crasy firing rate) while having good crit dmg (103%).

Now i’m considering roaming solo a little bit and therefore change some of my gear from berserker to knight in order to not be One Shot.

I never really considered condition build since I thought there was to much cons for WvW (max stack of bleed / flanking / conditions removal / …)

However since i want to focus more around 1vs1 and I will have to buy some new gear anyways, I would be happy to get some opinions from people who have tried both specs.

Try 0-30-30-5-5 with traps and condi removal. Knight set with berserkers weapon and some runes with power bonus. I run like this with omnomberry ghost with 63% critical chance and 40-55% critical damage with 3k armor. I tell you, versus never was a problem so far.
I run with shortbow and sword with warhorn. Pets: wolf and dog.

thats a squishy build, i wouldnt recommend to a beginner. you will get dropped by a haste thief in under a second.

I myself like to roam around in WvW solo a lot, and I use my 20/25/25/0/0 build for it.. It’s heavily based on conditioning (power/precision/cond dmg gear).

Details:
Traits: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qomqlj9qribg4ll/FreyaHatreidis_Traits.png
Armor: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hf2rrshg1v86k9m/FreyaHatreidis_Armor.png
Accessories: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0q4b39jaec2jwa1/FreyaHatreidis_Accessories.png
Weapons: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7nqah07n7mss38f/FreyaHatreidis_Weapons.png

Main weapon of choice is the shortbow of course for this one.. Pets I use: Dog (heavy dmg + F2 immobilizes) and Spider (poison + F2 immobilizes). Heavy immob to counter those OP D/D ele’s of course..

Thread about this build roaming solo in WvW: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Vid-Capping-camps-solo-made-even-easier

nerva.7940:

thats a squishy build, i wouldnt recommend to a beginner. you will get dropped by a haste thief in under a second.

I know that my actual berserker build is way too squishy for roaming, that’s why i’m willing to change it.

@Lert : tanks for your answer. So you use the classic trapper build But with power gear ? Your stats seems really interesting since it ’s almost what I was looking for : high crit chance and high toughness.

However I wonder if such a build wouldn’t be more efficient with condition damage build instead of power.

let’s be honest, nothing will save you from thieves and D/D eles anyway. I run zerk now and i die in seconds. i do good dmg, but i feel far outclassed by other classes in full zerk. i’m going to try rapid and see how that works.

you’re up against classes that can put out 9k dmg by pushing 2 twice or 7.9k dmg with 1 fire grab. we can’t compare.

vespers.1759:

let’s be honest, nothing will save you from thieves and D/D eles anyway.

Hmmz, strange answer there.. I can’t recall I was ever downed by a thief 1vs1 in WvW to be honest.. My vid quite explicitly shows how I put down 3 thieves myself (ok, second one was completely unprepared, so went down with some quick SB shots since he was fighting a Veteran Guard.. His bad though, always check surroundings in WvW..)
Agree on the D/D ele.. Have downed not so many of those in my entire WvW career.. But they are killable..

Everything can be killed by everything, the beauty of this game..

Tribio.8531:

vespers.1759:

let’s be honest, nothing will save you from thieves and D/D eles anyway.

Hmmz, strange answer there.. I can’t recall I was ever downed by a thief 1vs1 in WvW to be honest.. My vid quite explicitly shows how I put down 3 thieves myself (ok, second one was completely unprepared, so went down with some quick SB shots since he was fighting a Veteran Guard.. His bad though, always check surroundings in WvW..)
Agree on the D/D ele.. Have downed not so many of those in my entire WvW career.. But they are killable..

Everything can be killed by everything, the beauty of this game..

if i remember your video, you killed 3 incredibly dumb upleveled thieves and 1 almost killed you. they all could have just run away, but none of them did.

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

vespers.1759:

if i remember your video, you killed 3 incredibly dumb upleveled thieves

Completely correct there.. :-)

and 1 almost killed you.

Hmmz, that part I didn’t get actually.. My HP never went below 50% if I’m not mistaken..

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

They have high DPS, agree.. And stealth is overpowered, also agree.. But some common skill use and you should be able to dodge/evade their high DPS attacks. And when they go stealth, don’t run to them of course.. Let them come to you (since they will want to backstab you, if not running away from you). A class is never unkillable, it’s the player controlling it that gives the odds.. I’ve seen plenty of lvl 80’s not using skills wisely, while some upleveled ones really know what to do and when to do it..

Jos, it’s not better. Going for condition will decrease my toughness and power. And it’s not really that big difference if bleeding does 57-62daamge or 80. But it is when i almost spam (83% c. chance with fury) 700-950dmg instead of 200-300 like in condi build. Ofc it’s less to people with over 3k armor and more to cannon builders.
I use spike trap and fire trap along with warhorn skill 4 as ’’burst’’ damage for thieves. Then i drop traps on me (they will use steal to get close to me). Then dodge, warhorn and change to bow. Mostly after this, their half health is away. By time when they are on stealth i can use evade skills or dodge, drop traps in cd is gone or use f2 skill.
They will ofc burst me for around half health in 2sec, but they won’t be able to repeat such burst again cause of steal cd.
I’m not really afraid of thieves on WvW in 1v1 situations. Bigger problem are cannon mesmers and their illusions.

Fighting quite much any other class is much easier since you see them all the time and can hit them. And ofc if you hit them, you get health cause of omnomberry food.

Tribio.8531:

vespers.1759:

if i remember your video, you killed 3 incredibly dumb upleveled thieves

Completely correct there.. :-)

and 1 almost killed you.

Hmmz, that part I didn’t get actually.. My HP never went below 50% if I’m not mistaken..

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

They have high DPS, agree.. And stealth is overpowered, also agree.. But some common skill use and you should be able to dodge/evade their high DPS attacks. And when they go stealth, don’t run to them of course.. Let them come to you (since they will want to backstab you, if not running away from you). A class is never unkillable, it’s the player controlling it that gives the odds.. I’ve seen plenty of lvl 80’s not using skills wisely, while some upleveled ones really know what to do and when to do it..

i agree, that any class can be killed, but the thief is so far beyond any other class other than D/D ele that they can win nearly every time unless they make a giant mistake (IE: not using stealth).

did you watch the video i linked? that guy killed how many people before finally being zerged down? the only reason he didn’t escape the last time was because he got stunned multiple times. now imagine if that was a 1v1. good luck other player!

it’s totally ridiculous that 1 guy solo can kill so many with 20 people around him. what other class can do that even with 3-4 people (besides D/D ele)? and on top of that, he can put out 6k hits by pressing 1 skill over and over in full glass canon armor and be rewarded for it.

there’s no incentive to run anything but glass canon on thief because all you’re doing is gimping your dmg.

i wish my ranger could hit 6k by pressing 1, but unfortunately Anet’s idea of balance is that we can do 6k with 10 hits that can almost completely be dodged!

Lert.6287:

Jos, it’s not better. Going for condition will decrease my toughness and power. And it’s not really that big difference if bleeding does 57-62daamge or 80. But it is when i almost spam (83% c. chance with fury) 700-950dmg instead of 200-300 like in condi build. Ofc it’s less to people with over 3k armor and more to cannon builders.
I use spike trap and fire trap along with warhorn skill 4 as ’’burst’’ damage for thieves. Then i drop traps on me (they will use steal to get close to me). Then dodge, warhorn and change to bow. Mostly after this, their half health is away. By time when they are on stealth i can use evade skills or dodge, drop traps in cd is gone or use f2 skill.
They will ofc burst me for around half health in 2sec, but they won’t be able to repeat such burst again cause of steal cd.
I’m not really afraid of thieves on WvW in 1v1 situations. Bigger problem are cannon mesmers and their illusions.

Fighting quite much any other class is much easier since you see them all the time and can hit them. And ofc if you hit them, you get health cause of omnomberry food.

Ok, thxs for the detailed answer, I’ll give ur build and the knight gear a try after next update

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

No no, please do continue to tell us all about the amazing think and you’re dead thieves, I can’t wait to meet them.

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

No no, please do continue to tell us all about the amazing think and you’re dead thieves, I can’t wait to meet them.

i wish i could understand this post but i’m not fluent in gibberish.

Says the guy with 3 punctuation mistakes in the space of one sentence.

Worthless trolling and thread derailing on the other hand, that you’re fluent in.

PLEASE if you have anything else to say, send it in a PM so I can ignore it there and no one else has to listen to us argue about how you can’t kill decent thieves.

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

go up against a real 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds. then you’ll be invis stomped. the amount of DPS they do is ridiculous and that’s not even mentioning the stealth.

Still waiting to find one of these godly thieves that can kill me just by blinking or thinking on a T2, T1 server or in tPVP or sPVP where we play whatever our server.

Are they a powerful, easy to play class? Sure. Can they kill me? Nope. Honestly, I’m just not buying it anymore.

I find it fun evading with sword and close to pema vigor if they close on me with a cooldown, leaping well back out of their range with LR, HS and watching them try and close the gap, blowing all their cooldowns to get back into stealth because my pet stays back and they can’t use C/D.

would you like a trophy for your claims without anything to back said claims up?

No no, please do continue to tell us all about the amazing think and you’re dead thieves, I can’t wait to meet them.

i wish i could understand this post but i’m not fluent in gibberish.

Says the guy with 3 punctuation mistakes in the space of one sentence.

Worthless trolling and thread derailing on the other hand, that you’re fluent in.

PLEASE if you have anything else to say, send it in a PM so I can ignore it there and no one else has to listen to us argue about how you can’t kill decent thieves.

oh no i didn’t capitalize! that must change the whole meaning of my post!

breh, your post didn’t even make sense. you literally didn’t write in the english language. it’s not my fault you can’t form a coherent sentence.

anyway, when you post some proof of yourself killing thieves or whatever then i’ll listen, but atm you’re arguing that you can own thieves with zero proof to counter the hours of video available that show thieves dominating everyone of every class.

please tell us your secret magic build that makes you find thieves so easy to kill. so far all you’ve said is that you kill thieves without offering even a build to defend your claims.

vespers.1759:

oh no i didn’t capitalize! that must change the whole meaning of my post!

breh, your post didn’t even make sense. you literally didn’t write in the english language. it’s not my fault you can’t form a coherent sentence.

…just going to keep on derailing and trolling in this thread instead of a PM where no one else has to waste time reading it, huh?

Why you think “that’s not English” would bother me given this is the internet and English being someones first language is not a requirement to posting on the boards, I have no idea.

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the basic context and point of “think and you’re dead thieves”, that’s not really something I’m going to lose sleep over, it’s right there in my first post. Knock yourself out and read it again and maybe keep the thread on topic?

You don’t want to believe I can kill thieves? a) I’m FAR from the only person on the board that knows what they are doing with a ranger and how to kill thieves and b) lol at a ranger not able to kill thieves to the point they need a video to prove it to them.

capuchinseven.8395:

vespers.1759:

oh no i didn’t capitalize! that must change the whole meaning of my post!

breh, your post didn’t even make sense. you literally didn’t write in the english language. it’s not my fault you can’t form a coherent sentence.

…just going to keep on derailing and trolling in this thread instead of a PM where no one else has to waste time reading it, huh?

Why you think “that’s not English” would bother me given this is the internet and English being someones first language is not a requirement to posting on the boards, I have no idea.

I’m sorry that you don’t understand the basic context and point of “think and you’re dead thieves”, that’s not really something I’m going to lose sleep over, it’s right there in my first post. Knock yourself out and read it again and maybe keep the thread on topic?

You don’t want to believe I can kill thieves? a) I’m FAR from the only person on the board that knows what they are doing with a ranger and how to kill thieves and b) lol at a ranger not able to kill thieves to the point they need a video to prove it to them.

you left out the second part of my post but i’ll bite. “think and you’re dead thieves” does not make sense.

please good look up the difference between their, they’re and there (although the sentence still won’t make any sense).

if you want people to believe your claims then back them up! you just keep repeating yourself without backing it up!

lol all you want, but until you can back it up, i consider you to be a thief trying to protect your OPness.

vespers.1759:

please good look up the difference between their, they’re and there (although the sentence still won’t make any sense).

…lol.

Dude, okay okay I’ll bite.

Think and you’re dead is an English saying, it means… they think and you die, they are that powerful.

They think, you’re dead.

They think, you are dead.

They want you dead, so they think it of it happening, and you die.

They are so powerful that they think, “die”, and you die.

Think, and you’re dead, thieves.

See how much easier, and less disruptive to someone else’s thread that would have been if you’d saved your wasted insults for a PM where no one else would have to waste time reading it?

I’m sure Jos will be thankful for your helpful ego show up. It will improve his build so much, he will be able to take stone mist within 1min all alone.
Arguing over internet… How old are you, 10?

Lert.6287:

I’m sure Jos will be thankful for your helpful ego show up. It will improve his build so much, he will be able to take stone mist within 1min all alone.

If you feel that “go up against a real level 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds” by another poster is useful advice for the OP and doesn’t require disagreement then you’re very welcome to you’re opinion, I’m sorry that you feel a claim that I’m no longer buying these “godly thieves” are out there and I’m never ever meeting them on T1 or 2 and in PVP (which is the common defense made for the argument) is ego but again you’re welcome to your opinion.

I don’t see it that way, there are a number of rangers here more than able to kill thieves and there is nothing special about me simply because I can kill thieves.

As I said, I don’t buy that argument. The only thieves that give me trouble are those built the same way as my ranger, condition damage with high toughness and I can kill them with a little patience, keeping my pet back, forcing them to use cooldowns to enter stealth rather than using C/D on my pet and then dropping 8 bleeds on me.

Lert.6287:

How old are you, 10?

I’m sorry, I’m confused, I assume you’re talking to me but then I didn’t start a useless argument about someones use of the English language as their first language, someone else did.

capuchinseven.8395:

Lert.6287:

I’m sure Jos will be thankful for your helpful ego show up. It will improve his build so much, he will be able to take stone mist within 1min all alone.

If you feel that “go up against a real level 80 thief and you’ll be finished in seconds” by another poster is useful advice for the OP and doesn’t require disagreement then you’re very welcome to you’re opinion, I’m sorry that you feel a claim that I’m no longer buying these “godly thieves” are out there and I’m never ever meeting them on T1 or 2 and in PVP (which is the common defense made for the argument) is ego but again you’re welcome to your opinion.

I don’t see it that way, there are a number of rangers here more than able to kill thieves and there is nothing special about me simply because I can kill thieves.

As I said, I don’t buy that argument. The only thieves that give me trouble are those built the same way as my ranger, condition damage with high toughness and I can kill them with a little patience, keeping my pet back, forcing them to use cooldowns to enter stealth rather than using C/D on my pet and then dropping 8 bleeds on me.

Lert.6287:

How old are you, 10?

I’m sorry, I’m confused, I assume you’re talking to me but then I didn’t start a useless argument about someones use of the English language as their first language, someone else did.

Yeah…that’s kinda true that’s this “1vs1” wasn’t very constructive even if I agree that thiefs aren’t godly nor unkillables.

Which is sad is that you didn’t anwered my question at all whereas u seems to have a build similar to Lert’s and some valid advice on the power vs condition with this build : i just found this info on a cleric armor build thread and could have easily swapped the topic since it didn ’ t seems to be related to what I was looking for.

PS : more related to the end of the topic, I apologize for my bad english, it’s also isn ’ t my native language ;-)

Running 5/30/30/0/5 (i wanted to try with the extra power instead of the regen) If i play smart it goes really well, until i meet that thief that dances in and out of stealth. If they’re semi competent, the thief will never die. Gear is set up as + bleed duration, Condi damage (1710 fully buffed) prec and toughness. SB/ Sword+Torch(Warhorn in inventory) Usually Dogs, sometimes jaguar, depending on how i feel. I hold my own against everything, but thieves just whittle me down (around the 5th stealth, their steal probably recharged)

I switch between Signet of the hunt and QZ when I’m able, or 3x traps if its time to break a zerg. I just enjoy watching half a zerg get stopped with entangle and then conditioned from traps while my team pummels away at them.

For any 1v1 matchup except perma stealth thieves I like my 30/30/0/0/10 lb/GS with jaguar/wolf. I bring Sig stone,sig hunt, and sig renewal/protect me. As a Glass cannon build it obviously sucks pretty bad when its me vs several others, but its hits hard to start of a fight through lots of vulnerability, crits, and skills/traits giving 50% damage boost, and after the opening salvo a switch to GS gives defense, stun, and a gap closer. If they live long enough to run away switch back to 1500 range LB and finish them off.

However, I don’t think this is really what you were looking for since its so squishy, but I’ve had better success with it than with a necro or thief( though thief does Good too)