Cufufalating – Ranger / Part-Time Mesmer
Gunnar’s Hold
Gunnar’s Hold
Rangers Vs Conditions
I wanted to ask how other rangers deal with conditions.
In almost every build I’ve ever made my biggest weakness is always to strong condition builds (looking most at necro and p/d theives here).
So how to others deal with this? I always run Emphatic Bond but it doesnt cut it vs a condition heavy build, and healing spring I find hard to use given that you need to stay in it for 5-10 seconds to even make it worth it. SoR is again, I find, not that greakittens great for clearing a condition burst but after that… nothing.
So how do other rangers deal with a necro through 8 conditions on you in one go? Or to a theif perma stealthing and continually stacking bleeds?
Thief condi builds just kinda tickle in 1v1s… As for necro I run high vitality, poison off on dodge + Spring and try to blow them up with my pet before it gets out of hand, remember necros are designed to DOMINATE attrition fights, the counter to a necro is to blow them up ASAP.
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You’ve listed the options. Empathic Bond, staying in Spring, and SoR.
On the flip side, the Ranger is also a strong condi class (even with mostly being single target only with condis) and it really isn’t ‘fair’ for a condi class to also have strong condi removal imo. Necro of course does I realize, but that was a mistake on ANets part imo.
You’ve listed the options. Empathic Bond, staying in Spring, and SoR.
On the flip side, the Ranger is also a strong condi class (even with mostly being single target only with condis) and it really isn’t ‘fair’ for a condi class to also have strong condi removal imo. Necro of course does I realize, but that was a mistake on ANets part imo.
They said necro is supposed to be -the- condi prof, hardly see that as a mistake since they suck vs direct damage.
They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
You’ve listed the options. Empathic Bond, staying in Spring, and SoR.
On the flip side, the Ranger is also a strong condi class (even with mostly being single target only with condis) and it really isn’t ‘fair’ for a condi class to also have strong condi removal imo. Necro of course does I realize, but that was a mistake on ANets part imo.
They said necro is supposed to be -the- condi prof, hardly see that as a mistake since they suck vs direct damage.
I’m simply saying it’s poor class design to have a class both be strong at conditions and also remove conditions with ease. You run into the whole Necro vs Necro fights go nowhere scenario.
I wanted to ask how other rangers deal with conditions.
In almost every build I’ve ever made my biggest weakness is always to strong condition builds (looking most at necro and p/d theives here).
So how to others deal with this? I always run Emphatic Bond but it doesnt cut it vs a condition heavy build, and healing spring I find hard to use given that you need to stay in it for 5-10 seconds to even make it worth it. SoR is again, I find, not that greakittens great for clearing a condition burst but after that… nothing.
So how do other rangers deal with a necro through 8 conditions on you in one go? Or to a theif perma stealthing and continually stacking bleeds?
Thief condi builds just kinda tickle in 1v1s… As for necro I run high vitality, poison off on dodge + Spring and try to blow them up with my pet before it gets out of hand, remember necros are designed to DOMINATE attrition fights, the counter to a necro is to blow them up ASAP.
Sounds like you’re playing a BM shout build? Hmm.. Ok. Not really my style, but still, good to know. Necros I do tend to just go full on and more often than not we both go down at the same time from conidtion overload, and then I win in downstate.. but thats not really a satisfactory outcome to my mind.
Care to elaborate on p/d theives? I run condition builds and when I encounter a p/d theif that traits to cleanse in stealth its just a near impossible battle. I have 1 stun on the shortbow, they stealth long before my pet ever gets to them and they just hide in stealth as long as they need to to shug off my conditions. Doesnt seem to be a way round it.
Feeling maybe I should try HS instead of TU, and try S/WH instead of A/D for the finishers.
Hmm
Cufufalating – Ranger / Part-Time Mesmer
Gunnar’s Hold
Gunnar’s Hold
(edited by Cufufalating.8479)
You’ve listed the options. Empathic Bond, staying in Spring, and SoR.
On the flip side, the Ranger is also a strong condi class (even with mostly being single target only with condis) and it really isn’t ‘fair’ for a condi class to also have strong condi removal imo. Necro of course does I realize, but that was a mistake on ANets part imo.
They said necro is supposed to be -the- condi prof, hardly see that as a mistake since they suck vs direct damage.
I’m simply saying it’s poor class design to have a class both be strong at conditions and also remove conditions with ease. You run into the whole Necro vs Necro fights go nowhere scenario.
Well they can’t be the kings of condis if condis killed them easily now can they? And both my Mesmer and my engi have been able to beat condi necros (both them are condis) and my trapper ranger can do the same, it’s rough and there’s no way you could go 2v1 with it, but it’s totally doable.
They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
You’ve listed the options. Empathic Bond, staying in Spring, and SoR.
On the flip side, the Ranger is also a strong condi class (even with mostly being single target only with condis) and it really isn’t ‘fair’ for a condi class to also have strong condi removal imo. Necro of course does I realize, but that was a mistake on ANets part imo.
They said necro is supposed to be -the- condi prof, hardly see that as a mistake since they suck vs direct damage.
I’m simply saying it’s poor class design to have a class both be strong at conditions and also remove conditions with ease. You run into the whole Necro vs Necro fights go nowhere scenario.
Well they can’t be the kings of condis if condis killed them easily now can they? And both my Mesmer and my engi have been able to beat condi necros (both them are condis) and my trapper ranger can do the same, it’s rough and there’s no way you could go 2v1 with it, but it’s totally doable.
Sure they could… simply give them more types of conditions or a way to stack them quicker than the other classes and you still maintain the ‘king of conditions’ mantle. And I’m not implying Rangers suck or Necro condis are overpowered etc etc. I’m simply saying if you look at balance in general and other MMO’s, they don’t usually give a class access to strong condition removal and strong conditions.
They have it now, they’ll keep it, and there’s nothing that can be done.
You can run emphatic bond, SoR, healing spring, and evasive purity all at the same time. Giving you 3 on demand cures and 2 passive. I recently changed my wvw build to focus on all these and I survive much longer.
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