Guild Wars 2

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

because fighting in melee range gets you killed faster.

I’m interested in what and how you’re doing this JJ, not trying to be patronizing,.. I’d really like to try it out. I’m always hunting for a BBD Bigger Better Deal. Are you using sword main and axe off with shortbow for ranged? I just started Great swording and love it but if this is better heck sure! thanks

and I agree Florg,.. but our bows do subpar even with abilities compared to others,. soo,…

JJBigs.8456:

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

You need some lessons on how to measure dps. Merely looking at the damage numbers that are popping up means very little.

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Seabhac.6824:

I’m interested in what and how you’re doing this JJ, not trying to be patronizing,.. I’d really like to try it out. I’m always hunting for a BBD Bigger Better Deal. Are you using sword main and axe off with shortbow for ranged? I just started Great swording and love it but if this is better heck sure! thanks

and I agree Florg,.. but our bows do subpar even with abilities compared to others,. soo,…

Im just trying stuff too. Yea shortbow after i take damage, but hopefully i can learn to play mostly melee one day.

Axe offhand seems to be rangers biggest DPS bursts but then the problem is, the main 1h weapons are bad!! 1h sword ugh, frustrating but decent damage, and axe is lower dps, but good abilities. I cant decide on what to use. or to just use GS consistently.

I just found how much DPS this did few days ago and seemed like i never saw anyone use this, so just saying.

yea it makes you die faster, but not any faster than a zerker warrior, or a zerker d/d thief (minor armor differences, medium is actually midground) If wars can zerk melee, why cant we? They have the same type “1 heal and your done” as us.

Unspecified.9142:

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Do you believe and support that whirling defense, needs a buff, and if it did, would become EXTREMELY viable? Buff as in, moveable, channeled but not interuppted if hit, etc..

With my bow I’m not in full zerker but every 8 seconds I can do a rapid fire for 8k from 1500 range, and a barrage for 1k a hit 12 times……safely from 1500 range. Axe isn’t better. I’m not saying LB > everything but it does more dmg than axe

JJBigs.8456:

Unspecified.9142:

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Do you believe and support that whirling defense, needs a buff, and if it did, would become EXTREMELY viable? Buff as in, moveable, channeled but not interuppted if hit, etc..

All it really needs is the ability to move, or give the ranger some way to lock people down more easily.

It’s actually strange to me that ranger is the only profession with a “spin to win” that can’t move while doing it.

JJBigs.8456:

Axe offhand seems to be rangers biggest DPS bursts

10k damage after a 5 second channel is a pretty far cry from beeing bursty, specially since we can’t even move with it.
Whenever you channel an ability like axe 5, 100blades, whatever, the final number is the total damage the ability did while channeling.

Unspecified.9142:

JJBigs.8456:

Unspecified.9142:

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Do you believe and support that whirling defense, needs a buff, and if it did, would become EXTREMELY viable? Buff as in, moveable, channeled but not interuppted if hit, etc..

All it really needs is the ability to move, or give the ranger some way to lock people down more easily.

It’s actually strange to me that ranger is the only profession with a “spin to win” that can’t move while doing it.

I think it’s because they don’t actually spin. They just kind of flail their arms wildly as if swatting mosquitoes.

But yes, being able to move while channeling whirling defense is something that needs to happen. The same is true for barrage.

Unspecified.9142:

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Mr Bigg…you seemed to have ignored the most important piece of information regarding your opinion on how much damage Axe 5 does

Forzani.2584:

Unspecified.9142:

For the record, if Whirling Defense hits 12 times and the final number is 9.9k then each hit was only 825.

You also better hope your opponent doesn’t decide to move two steps to the side or back since you really have no way to lock them down for the duration and you can’t move. (Entangle might work but that’s only maybe)

Mr Bigg…you seemed to have ignored the most important piece of information regarding your opinion on how much damage Axe 5 does

sarcasm on What is the problem all the mobs come right to me anyway? sarcasm off
I tried running a full glass cannon build with this idea a while ago, it was completely useless. Not only does it pale in comparison to 100B, 100nades, or many of the others it also has the drawbacks of “if you want it all to hit you have to stun/immob and quickness” but even when you do all of these things it is still not useful. Even if it did an amazing amount of damage (which it does not), Rangers do not have the abilities to set it up properly other than an elite which should not be the case to use a skill. The cooldown is too high, the duration is too long (ie all ranged abilities are cancelled withing 1 second) meaning its a very poorly thought out skill for PvP. That seems to be a common thing for ranger though.

Rapid Fire is very inefficient at long range for the most part. It’s more useful at short to medium range. Otherwise, at max range, the auto attacks do about the same or a tad more overall damage than the total duration of Rapid Fire at the same range (RF does NOT benefit from bonus damage at long range. ONLY #1 does.)

JJBigs.8456:

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

So..l

Your end burst is… 9.9k.

Let’s investigate the OP.

Hopefully he answers a few simple questions.

• Do you know what D P S stands for?

• Do you know how to calculate D P S ?

• If so, what do you think is the D P S of whirling defense

otherwise don’t try to theorycraft. The ranger community is already unnecessarily scarred by misinformation, lest newer rangers get discouraged.

It’s a decent class.

JJBigs.8456:

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

That’s funy because axe #5 is actually the least dps of those you listed. L2readcombatlog I guess.

Uncle Salty.6342:

JJBigs.8456:

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

So..l

Your end burst is… 9.9k.

Let’s investigate the OP.

Hopefully he answers a few simple questions.

• Do you know what D P S stands for?

• Do you know how to calculate D P S ?

• If so, what do you think is the D P S of whirling defense

otherwise don’t try to theorycraft. The ranger community is already unnecessarily scarred by misinformation, lest newer rangers get discouraged.

It’s a decent class.

I’m not even going to bother arguing with you just please, please don’t attract anymore victims to the ranger class.

JJBigs.8456:

Gear: Full zerker, Ascended Gear, 30/30/x/x/x. Armor=Ruby Orb’s Zerker.

Shortbow = Hits 800-1.2k. With 25 bloodlust stacks, can go up to 1.4k maybe.
Greatsword = Hits 2k-3.6k(Top DPS on the Leap finisher and 1 other)
1H Sword= 1.5-2.3k DPS (Needs a revamp as the dodges are annoying)
AXE OFFHAND = THIS IS YOUR KING DPS. 12X Whirling Defense, my end burst was 9.9k, meaning hits leading up to it was 6k>>7k>>etc.. quite alot of DPS AND reflects.

So, your 1.5-2.5k Ele Fire Auto attack better than this how? Also, why do you guys use bow? Just because its a “Ranger”? I use bow like i use all my ranged weapons, sparingly. Only on epic boss fights where zerker is impossible etc, but for general PvE, and dungeons like CoF, CoE, SE, etc… this is wayyyyy more dps.

I just want to double check and make sure that you are aware of this: The final number of your channeled skill (whirling defense) is a summation of all 12 hits. So less than 1k damage per hit.

This thread and the ‘dps’ calculations confuses me

Torch offhand master race, gotta get dem burns

Melee has great dps. Hell axe off hand is good too. Path of scar got a 85% damage buff and most of you dismis it. Now you can use your traits for something else and still get good damage.

You can’t melee everything, but kitten just dies faster with melee. If you trait correctly you can make sure its not you. One also has to consider how weapon and build interact. You can just equipped every weopan and look at damage output.

All weapons benifit from power. Power help both precision and condtion. With that said not every weapon will do well with condtion damage like LB and GS yes they have some condtion on it but its not that great. With these two weapon precision is great.

Often times when we do weapon test we dont optimize the test for each weapon. We merely base it off it’s standard weapon output. But condtion damage doesnt crit and and slower weapons like the Longbow do a million times better when they crit.

This is why some people think certain weapons are heaven sent and others think the same weapon is crap.

Axe off-hand isnt bad (really no bad weapons there are better) its the application of the weapon thats bad. Like if your going to use whirling defence make sure you set up for a double Kd or scare him. Same with path of scar upto 2k per target upto 5 targets.

Lately I have been runn dual axes. Ya I have been gettting my kitten kicked but I see the potential and i would give up until i master this combination theni will make my determination on wether its viable. most people would have given up becuase its not smash smash smash I win.

Since there was much talk about Axe 5 i though i d jump in and say a couple of things….

Even though the damage it does is not great, this skill is a whirl finisher, it adds vulnerability on each hit and it blocks projectiles (wiki says it reflects them, but i havent tested this).

With that said i think the skill is great, since it also has a great defensive component.
Aside from blocking (and perhaps reflecting) projectiles, many melee players will move back a bit to avoid the hits and therefore they probably wont be able to damage us either, which can give us a few precious seconds for our skills to come off cooldown.

After all not all skills are about damage…

i play full zerk and i’ve been testing out the axe in offhand. it will land a 9.9k once a month. usually the dmg off it is closer to 4-5k. the reflect is okay even though it is stationary. it is also an aoe for stupid mobs and path actually does mediocre dmg now that it has got a 85% dmg buff. i never used the axe before the buff so it must have really sucked hard.

it isn’t a great offhand but imho it beats warhorn. idk why everyone loves warhorn so much. it has its uses in some instances so definitely give it a try if you haven’t.

Quarktastic.1027:

But yes, being able to move while channeling whirling defense is something that needs to happen. The same is true for barrage.

One million billion thumbs up for you.

Or maybe make barrage work a bit like meteor shower. It’ll always go off after a certain point, but more damage/time for the AoE is given if you let the whole thing go off.

But interrupting it early should be an option instead of completely killing the attack like it works now if you interrupt it/are interrupted.

Throw down a fire trap hit axe 5 and you are reflecting projectiles, slinging burning bolts, apply vulnerability and stacking massive amounts of whatever your proc on crit sigil is. It’s infinitely better than warhorn for pve DEs.

OP you need to try 1 handed sword again. You will get used to it. It’s unlike any other weapon in the game.

good dps until someone looks at you funny and you asplode. for better results, try Soldier’s and Knight’s gear combo.

Ranger greatsword hits like a wet noodle. Anyone claiming otherwise really has no idea how to do math.