Guild Wars 2

It has been one week since the devs have promised to communicate with us on the issues of the core ranger, yet we have heard nothing. I am leaving this here so we as a community do not forget the neglect we’ve received for the past 3 years.

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Wolfey.3407:

Popping in,
The developers are reading this still. They are not going to post anything until they are certain of any changes they are going to make.

The thread is not being ignored, just not being posted in at the moment. They don’t want to shoot them selves further in the foot by saying something and not following through with it 100%.

They also don’t want to start a chain reaction of: This class raged and got ton of responses from developers so now they hate ____ and ____. So now _ and _ rage and start expecting the same thing ranger go.

Again, It would be nice if they popped in and posted more; however, they are still reading this thread. (waits to get flamed).

Belzebu.3912:

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Wolfey.3407:

Popping in,
The developers are reading this still. They are not going to post anything until they are certain of any changes they are going to make.

The thread is not being ignored, just not being posted in at the moment. They don’t want to shoot them selves further in the foot by saying something and not following through with it 100%.

They also don’t want to start a chain reaction of: This class raged and got ton of responses from developers so now they hate ____ and ____. So now _ and _ rage and start expecting the same thing ranger go.

Again, It would be nice if they popped in and posted more; however, they are still reading this thread. (waits to get flamed).

They have been saying that since day one, we don’t and shouldn’t buy it any more. Their actions and their history speak much louder then token words. We should not believe what they say, they need to actively engage us as a community to fix this.

I honestly wouldn’t expect anything before HoT releases and if there were changes before then I would frankly be somewhat impressed. The more troubling sentence in Wolfey’s post is that they are still unsure of what action to take. So its not much that we’re being ignored, they could full well be paying attention to us. Its more we are being neglected. No fix for that.

At best I think there won’t be changes again until a balance patch to hide any revisions on the nerf so they can save some face. Also given how tentative they are playing it don’t expect anything great. Ranger sucks and they like it like that. Just take comfort that when you beat a player you outplayed the socks off that class.

Improving the Ranger class doesn’t make money for Anet. Expect nothing except Druid improvements from here on.

I tend to disagree. The free to play players won’t have access to druid and you need to liberate their cash somehow. Seeing as how every profession is someone’s favorite profession it would seem to make sense to give core classes some love so you don’t alienate potential income.

That said I don’t feel like the company puts a lot of stock in the whole “every class is someone’s favorite.” They really seem to fan boy certain professions more then others.

Photinous.4628:

Improving the Ranger class doesn’t make money for Anet. Expect nothing except Druid improvements from here on.

It has been 3 years, I think its obvious that ArenaNet doesn’t care/like its ranger community. The time to be patient is over, we are tired, and we need to make it clear to ArenaNet we won’t stand for their lack of care about us.

I don’t think there is any animosity towards the player base or community. At least not as a universal whole. That would be fairly petty and childish. I have never really bought into the idea that the developers have animosity towards a class or community.

However neglect can be a function of not having a clear plan or not having the right people in the right places. Jr. level experience making sr. level decisions for example. It can also be a function of someone caring but unable to provide the support required of them. The person that LOVES cats and takes in every stray cat they find even though at a certain point they are unable to provide for the cats’ needs. I don’t think this is the case as I don’t feel there is an abundance of love for the class.

I lean towards an unclear plan or a structure in which class balance is handled individually instead of as a whole, classes balanced in a vacuum so what would be good changes for the class become rather ineffectual when put up against a class that is being over balanced for whatever reason.

I’m not sure the community can make it any clearer that we feel we are underbalanced. If they don’t know by now they never will. Honestly if another game comes along that I like better I’ll move on to that. Trying to effect real definitive change on a forum is a herculean task and I play games for fun. Not work. If its not fun then see ya.

Photinous.4628:

Improving the Ranger class doesn’t make money for Anet. Expect nothing except Druid improvements from here on.

It actually does, since most of their income/profit comes from micro-transactions player retention is what they should be focused on the most. It could be debated that the ranger player base is the smallest so get’s the least focus but there is still a large player base that plays the class. Also if they only work with the druid many people will begin to realize the ‘problems’ with the core ranger.

Note: I’m a ranger main and spend most of my time in WvW and play a fair amount of each. I think the core ranger is mostly fine but just has a few frustrations in some areas. I can still get kills 1v1 so the profession can’t be that far off (I’m not a super good mechanical player). I play ranger because I like the idea of using a longbow to deal damage from range, and ranger does that best.

Mr Pin.6728:

I don’t think there is any animosity towards the player base or community. At least not as a universal whole. That would be fairly petty and childish. I have never really bought into the idea that the developers have animosity towards a class or community.

However neglect can be a function of not having a clear plan or not having the right people in the right places. Jr. level experience making sr. level decisions for example. It can also be a function of someone caring but unable to provide the support required of them. The person that LOVES cats and takes in every stray cat they find even though at a certain point they are unable to provide for the cats’ needs. I don’t think this is the case as I don’t feel there is an abundance of love for the class.

I lean towards an unclear plan or a structure in which class balance is handled individually instead of as a whole, classes balanced in a vacuum so what would be good changes for the class become rather ineffectual when put up against a class that is being over balanced for whatever reason.

I’m not sure the community can make it any clearer that we feel we are underbalanced. If they don’t know by now they never will. Honestly if another game comes along that I like better I’ll move on to that. Trying to effect real definitive change on a forum is a herculean task and I play games for fun. Not work. If its not fun then see ya.

I wouldn’t use the term animosity, but more of the fact that rangers are a none issue/don’t really want to deal with/fix type of dislike.

Kitty.1502:

It has been 3 years, I think its obvious that ArenaNet doesn’t care/like its ranger community. The time to be patient is over, we are tired, and we need to make it clear to ArenaNet we won’t stand for their lack of care about us.

And people have been saying this for 3 years. What is it exactly you are threatening to do?

If you actually used some logic rather than emotion to look at the situation, you would see that it is utterly absurd for ANet to be as you claim, and therefore its not possible.

It’s always amazing to me that a change like the HaO one takes months to come up with but four hours to nerf. Without explanation other than some very short tweets.

This tells me there will never be a fix for our actual class mechanic. Remember when the excuse for not touching it was that two rangers could solo a dungeon with just their pets?

So I am going out on a limb and saying core ranger is never getting fixed.

Gotejjeken.1267:

It’s always amazing to me that a change like the HaO one takes months to come up with but four hours to nerf. Without explanation other than some very short tweets.

This tells me there will never be a fix for our actual class mechanic. Remember when the excuse for not touching it was that two rangers could solo a dungeon with just their pets?

So I am going out on a limb and saying core ranger is never getting fixed.

Tend to agree with you, I think the only real way it will now is that if the community as a whole is very grumpy. ArenaNet doesn’t want a grumpy portion of their community because that will mean less chance of getting money from gem sells (right now I refuse to buy anymore gems until core ranger is fixed for example)

Kitty.1502:

Gotejjeken.1267:

It’s always amazing to me that a change like the HaO one takes months to come up with but four hours to nerf. Without explanation other than some very short tweets.

This tells me there will never be a fix for our actual class mechanic. Remember when the excuse for not touching it was that two rangers could solo a dungeon with just their pets?

So I am going out on a limb and saying core ranger is never getting fixed.

Tend to agree with you, I think the only real way it will now is that if the community as a whole is very grumpy. ArenaNet doesn’t want a grumpy portion of their community because that will mean less chance of getting money from gem sells (right now I refuse to buy anymore gems until core ranger is fixed for example)

The issue, though, is that 99.999% of the population of the game do not post on the forums, ANet has their metrics and if X% of people play Ranger on a regular basis, it must be fine.

3 years of broken weapons and a dozen broken utilities, 3 years of poor design with no direction or inspiration. 3 years of the worst profession mechanic in the game.

The funniest part of all of this is that Irenio explicitly said that Anet was going to start addressing some of the Ranger concerns at twitch con as well. Well, just another lie from them it seems.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Kitty.1502:

Gotejjeken.1267:

It’s always amazing to me that a change like the HaO one takes months to come up with but four hours to nerf. Without explanation other than some very short tweets.

This tells me there will never be a fix for our actual class mechanic. Remember when the excuse for not touching it was that two rangers could solo a dungeon with just their pets?

So I am going out on a limb and saying core ranger is never getting fixed.

Tend to agree with you, I think the only real way it will now is that if the community as a whole is very grumpy. ArenaNet doesn’t want a grumpy portion of their community because that will mean less chance of getting money from gem sells (right now I refuse to buy anymore gems until core ranger is fixed for example)

The issue, though, is that 99.999% of the population of the game do not post on the forums, ANet has their metrics and if X% of people play Ranger on a regular basis, it must be fine.

I don’t disagree with this totally, but if we create a loud enough voice showing our disapproval it might work. Patients hasn’t worked, trying to suggest things hasn’t worked, I am personally boycotting it, but I am also going to keep reminding them and everyone of the sorry state of affairs rangers are in and the lack of care ArenaNet has given them.

Kitty.1502:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Kitty.1502:

Gotejjeken.1267:

It’s always amazing to me that a change like the HaO one takes months to come up with but four hours to nerf. Without explanation other than some very short tweets.

This tells me there will never be a fix for our actual class mechanic. Remember when the excuse for not touching it was that two rangers could solo a dungeon with just their pets?

So I am going out on a limb and saying core ranger is never getting fixed.

Tend to agree with you, I think the only real way it will now is that if the community as a whole is very grumpy. ArenaNet doesn’t want a grumpy portion of their community because that will mean less chance of getting money from gem sells (right now I refuse to buy anymore gems until core ranger is fixed for example)

The issue, though, is that 99.999% of the population of the game do not post on the forums, ANet has their metrics and if X% of people play Ranger on a regular basis, it must be fine.

I don’t disagree with this totally, but if we create a loud enough voice showing our disapproval it might work. Patients hasn’t worked, trying to suggest things hasn’t worked, I am personally boycotting it, but I am also going to keep reminding them and everyone of the sorry state of affairs rangers are in and the lack of care ArenaNet has given them.

But, that has been happening for 3 years too. How would you go about creating a loud enough voice?

Photinous.4628:

The funniest part of all of this is that Irenio explicitly said that Anet was going to start addressing some of the Ranger concerns at twitch con as well. Well, just another lie from them it seems.

How do you know a bunch of things are not being changed with the HoT patch? It’s not like they are going to hot-fix long standing bugs before a major update. Things take time. If 3 months after HoT has launched and nothing has been improved? Well then we can start calling it untruthful.

Pretty much what Heimskarl has said. The fixes for ranger aren’t going to be done in one day or even in one balance patch. There are major structural issues to the class that need to be addressed and those are going to take time. Further they certainly aren’t going to be addressed before the expansion drops, if for no other reason then it could suddenly introduce bugs that may derail the launch date.

Does it suck? Yeah but all we can do is wait and see what happens. We don’t really have any power other then to give constructive feedback. If they ignore it, well, that’s out of our hands unfortunately. Its better to become somewhat emotionally disinvested in it and enjoy the class for what it is. If it gets buffed hey great, if not well… I don’t really need to play with training wheels like some other classes anyways.

The Druid is in development now if we have any chance of changing the issues with druid then now is the time to speak. One has a better chance to influence change to the core ranger if it relates more to an issue with Druid.

Its easier to get resolution to past issue if they also relate to current ones.

Photinous.4628:

The funniest part of all of this is that Irenio explicitly said that Anet was going to start addressing some of the Ranger concerns at twitch con as well. Well, just another lie from them it seems.

He’s got less than 3 weeks to balance/fix Druid and Scrapper. So he’s probably 100% focused on that currently. If you’ve ever been involved in project crunch time you’ll understand that that’s not much time to get things polished.

So lets not reach for the scalping knives just yet.

Waiting for a couple of weeks after HoT would seem sensible as a timeline for Anet to start disclosing what they intend to do with core Ranger (if anything).

After that time feel free to go nuts.

Photinous.4628:

The funniest part of all of this is that Irenio explicitly said that Anet was going to start addressing some of the Ranger concerns at twitch con as well. Well, just another lie from them it seems.

As I said in another thread, who knows who is the boss in the dev team? Maybe Irenio or the ranger team has the lowest rank there, that’s why the problems with the core ranger, the immediately nerf, no responses, no bugfixes, last elite profession etc….