Guild Wars 2

• Guard- No longer has a cooldown or cast time, but no longer has grants stealth or protection. Pet no longer teleports back to the player until recalled back with f3 or f4. Due to no cooldown, Rune of the Trooper no longers remove conditions for this skill.
• Sic’em- No longer grants increased Attack speed, but still keeps the Reveal/Increased movement speed. Instead, it will chase afar for +1000 range until it is recalled back with f3 or f4.
• Search and Rescue- Change the cooldown back to 85 seconds. If it is too overpowered, then the ranger cannot res while search and rescue is up.
• Protect me- Grants Capture-Point Contribution to the pet for 6 seconds.
• Nature’s Voice- Deleted. Put some other trait in it.

Before the Ranger nerfs, I love the pets because it was an extension of my own arms. I want that feeling again. But since ANet thinks it would be overpowered, I suggest putting that feeling on the lesser used shouts. So that a BM build can be formed. This BM build will be centric around commanding pets and putting trust into it.

It will also put in some interesting plays such as:

• Using Sic’em to split up. The ranger chases another foe, the pet chase another player.
• Using Guard to place a pet on a point. When you realize that there is another player trying to cap it, use Protect me so that the pet can stop the player from ninja capping it. Bear pets will be useful for their sturdiness.
• Search and Rescue never needed a nerf, It didn’t instantly res like Banner and it also uses a valuable elite slot. With it, the ranger can continue fighting while leaving the ressing task to the pet.

I really really want a Beastmaster build that plays like a beastmaster.

I hate most of this. A revamp to shouts should include more team utility. These ideas would ruin certain builds in an attempt to make beast master useful while ignoring the core problems with pets themselves.

Yes, let’s nerf our shouts even more, that’ll make them used.

Lol @ these “not nerf” changes

runeblade.7514:

• Guard- No longer has a cooldown or cast time, but no longer has grants stealth or protection. Pet no longer teleports back to the player until recalled back with f3 or f4. Due to no cooldown, Rune of the Trooper no longers remove conditions for this skill.

Then it would by definition stop being a shout. The ranger shouts as they stand barely fit that category and were probably classified that why to justify the inclusion of the Rune of the Trooper (read old name Soldier, as in really only intended for Warrior and Guardian).

Currently there is a trait to make the ranger ‘shouts’ grant a bit of group utility. To be honest I think they should either make the shout actual shouts ie. sick’em remaining a offensive example (similar to have ‘Fear Me’ is offensive in nature) and provide the others with party wide effects that also happen to always effect the pet.

Or (preferable) scrap the entire nature of them as ‘Shout’ and work with them as ‘Pet’ skills to add additional control/effect to the pet alone.

Jim Hunter.6821:

I hate most of this. A revamp to shouts should include more team utility. These ideas would ruin certain builds in an attempt to make beast master useful while ignoring the core problems with pets themselves.

The only build I could think of that would be ruined is Nature Voice/Guard. But it isn’t even meta.

I disagree that shout should be team utility. Warrior and Guardian already fill this role. No need for Rangers to be a clone.

Bran.7425:

runeblade.7514:

• Guard- No longer has a cooldown or cast time, but no longer has grants stealth or protection. Pet no longer teleports back to the player until recalled back with f3 or f4. Due to no cooldown, Rune of the Trooper no longers remove conditions for this skill.

Then it would by definition stop being a shout. The ranger shouts as they stand barely fit that category and were probably classified that why to justify the inclusion of the Rune of the Trooper (read old name Soldier, as in really only intended for Warrior and Guardian).

Currently there is a trait to make the ranger ‘shouts’ grant a bit of group utility. To be honest I think they should either make the shout actual shouts ie. sick’em remaining a offensive example (similar to have ‘Fear Me’ is offensive in nature) and provide the others with party wide effects that also happen to always effect the pet.

Or (preferable) scrap the entire nature of them as ‘Shout’ and work with them as ‘Pet’ skills to add additional control/effect to the pet alone.

I like the idea that the “shout” name should be changed to “Pet” skills. It fits to my design better.

runeblade.7514:

Jim Hunter.6821:

I hate most of this. A revamp to shouts should include more team utility. These ideas would ruin certain builds in an attempt to make beast master useful while ignoring the core problems with pets themselves.

The only build I could think of that would be ruined is Nature Voice/Guard. But it isn’t even meta.

I disagree that shout should be team utility. Warrior and Guardian already fill this role. No need for Rangers to be a clone.

Wut? You think providing more team utility, one of the biggest things rangers need to break into the meta in pretty much every game mode, isn’t necessary? I just can’t take anything you have to say seriously then.

I’d actually really like to see a DPS Beast Master build after such a long time.
… Yet, your idea would definitely not help my dreams. But I suppose that can’t be helped.

The only problem I see in your suggestion is …
… That it would be ABSOLUTELY FUTILE unless you’d take both Protect and Guard at the same time.
… So instead of revamping the shouts – you basically follow the only one vision you had and you are going to destroy the abilities on their own.

If you think that “Sick’Em” would still be viable (it’s not viable even now) after the dmg nerf, then I’m afraid your ideas were not thought over for different environments (changing a spell means effecting PvP, PvE, WvW… Not just PvP).

Apart from that, the idea looks nice. But I don’t believe the sacrifice such as this would be the way to go. Shouts definitely need some kind of rework, but making them nothing but mere pet utility tools (mostly tools the control the pet as you like, with the exception of distant point cap as you mentioned, where the pet would die in 3 seconds regardless) is not what rangers might like.