Guild Wars 2

This is in relation to duel melee wvw roaming

I’m having trouble deciding on what runes to use on the following build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAR8XCctQ4PQWC8p/B-T1AHABHq+DAPBA50NQKgx2aB-w

keep in mind things are variable, such as the exact traits, utility and amount of clerics in the build.

So far I have tried
Rage – because this build is all about the fury and their cheep
Evasion – didn’t like as i dodge to stay alive not to proc stuff
Melandru – Currently using mostly because i didn’t want to spend the money on hoelbrak just to overwrite them when i change my mind

And i am considering
Pack – solid set for any power build, shortest proc on fury
Ranger – well… damage
Pirate – that bird
Defender – grate rune on any build
Dywaner – to help maintain oak salve and bark skin and counter DoT’s i have good regen up time though
Liss – condi clear on elite, i could drop wilderness survival and take skirmishing and run HS
Trooper – it is a shout build, but then i would be stuck running shouts

there are other ok choices as well, it is almost a case of to many good choice so i cant decide.

what do you guys think? try not to get to hung up on my build as it varies anyway depending on my mood and what classes i am running in to most. just think of it as any build based on Remorseless, Fury and ferocity.

• Pack are really solid, I used them before switching to wurm. I would recomend them those most.
• Holbrek and strength runes are really good if you plan to use brutish seals and SoTP.
• Ogre are also a very good power stat and have increased damage like rune of rage
• Dolyak would give you insane regen

Another support based idea but you could take soliders runes; taking resounding timber and wilderness survival would allow you to have full bar of condi clear.

Eval.2371:

• Pack are really solid, I used them before switching to wurm. I would recomend them those most.
• Holbrek and strength runes are really good if you plan to use brutish seals and SoTP.
• Ogre are also a very good power stat and have increased damage like rune of rage
• Dolyak would give you insane regen

Another support based idea but you could take soliders runes; taking resounding timber and wilderness survival would allow you to have full bar of condi clear.

Trooper and soldiers are the same rune they just have different names for the PvP/WvW versions.

@OP I run trooper on mine, it helps keep the pets alive since WK does nothing for the pets and EB is a death sentence for them. It’s also pretty great party support when using guard and we heal as one. But any of your choices would work well.

Many good options for runes on that build. It depends on how you play it though.
Since you have a fair amount of healing power, taking advantage of that with Defender Runes would make you very tanky. I would not use pack, since your crit chance is only 4%, increasing it to 10% is not that much, although it helps. You are not stacking much might to take advantage of Hoelbrak runes imo. Evasion may be alright for the Remorseless proc, but remember you can only use 5, adding a 6th from another set. Another option could be 4 evasion and 2 scavenger so you get the fury/swiftness on dodge and also a health steal every 25s. Either scavenger or 2 altruism for the might on heal, but you lose the 100 ferocity that way. All Altruism is also another option, for AoE might/fury on heal. Lyssa is a good option for the (4)&(6) and yeah dropping WS for Skirm is a good choice in that case.

btw, the build has no GM chosen for WS, was it EB?

I really love Defender tbh so am biased, but I think they would be the best with that build as they add so much to it.

Ok so. Take clarion bond. Its good. It’s a remorseless proc you have control over that isn’t tied to a utility skill so low opportunity cost. Nice. Take Wilderness Knowledge. Ditch the signet for Quickening Zephyr so you can have 2 survival skills on your bar. On demand fury procs. Both keep you alive longer. Both help you kite. One helps you kill MUCH faster. Last take Beastly Warden. It lets you land damage safely. It lets you peel. It is such an advantage to the ranger player. Guaranteed to make scrub thieves rage quit.

Protect me is a great choice for your third utility slot. I would ditch the wolf though. If you take Beastly Warden you got your cc covered. Bears are the unkillable pet option for Protect Me. Drakes are the next to unkillable option and put out good damage to boot.

Take Soldier Runes. Take them for so many reasons. Your utility bar will literally be loaded with utility. Helps your pet in a big way when both of you are fighting in melee range. Helps team mates should you run with friends. Improves survivability. Gives you a bit of vitality of which you have none and desperately need.

The dirty secret about remorseless is that the damage from it is in fact very good. You’ll notice the utility and survivability from soldier runes more than the damage from a solid power runeset.

Oh I forgot also. Refined Toxins is better than Shared Anguish if you have 3 stunbreaks on your bar. Which you should. You’re trying to play melee why wouldn’t you have 3 stunbreaks on your bar?

jewishjoyride.4693:

…You’re trying to play melee why wouldn’t you have 3 stunbreaks on your bar?

Because you have Shared Anguish. Why not have another stunbreak that is passive so you don’t have to burn one? With all the mesmers around, you cannot have enough.

The condi removal you get from Trooper runes combined with the vitality does not really add much survivability to this build. 1750 health is nothing and removing a condition every 16, 2×48s is nothing to be excited about. Aegis every 16s, 2s regeneration on every block (no ICD, awesome with Counterattack) and 4440 health on block (30s CD) is far superior imo.

I agree with your other suggestions though. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAR8XjUqQLLWyC+rAXLG+Dq91zgAo73aYH+04HG+CmcA-T1BHABHq+zdKBB4KAg9+DypbQJlfB8QAIFwYbtA-w

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

btw, the build has no GM chosen for WS, was it EB?

I deliberately left a few things out to try and stay clear of a build discussion, i possible should have left some more information out try and to try and drive that point home

@jewishjoyride whilst i thank you for taking the time write down your thoughts, i think you misread my original post. i was not after overall build advice just runes

Eggyokeo.9705:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

btw, the build has no GM chosen for WS, was it EB?

I deliberately left a few things out to try and stay clear of a build discussion, i possible should have left some more information out try and to try and drive that point home

@jewishjoyride whilst i thank you for taking the time write down your thoughts, i think you misread my original post. i was not after overall build advice just runes

I did not misread. I gave it anyway.

jewishjoyride.4693:

I did not misread. I gave it anyway.

Fair enough.

I’ve updated the build in my OP to reflect only the components that are important to me that are unlikely to change.

The reason that i am interested in peoples options on runes is that i don’t want to spend up to 80 gold on a set just to change my mind in 2 days time.

I would use trooper runes as i love having a bar full of condi clears and stun breakers. They would be wasted if i decided that i want to use wilderness knowledge for the fury and then have Trolls, LR, QZ on my bar so the only shout that i would likely have in that case would be the elite.

I am very partial to liss runes as at the very least i will always have either Rampage or entangle on. but from experience so far mass condis are not causing me any problems its the constantly reapplying condis that I seam to die to such as p/d theifs and condi mezs. Hence the currently equipped Mel runes.

any more suggestion about runes??? as I’m still kinda stumped.

heal as one with resounding timbre is more health per second than troll unguent with wilderness knowledge. It only gets better as you add healing power thanks to the higher coefficient. Also fares better in the burstier encounters we currently face I find.

My experience so far is that shouts and survival skills pair nicely on my utility bar.

jewishjoyride.4693:

heal as one with resounding timbre is more health per second than troll unguent with wilderness knowledge. It only gets better as you add healing power thanks to the higher coefficient. Also fares better in the burstier encounters we currently face I find.

My experience so far is that shouts and survival skills pair nicely on my utility bar.

Aye, WHaO with RT is better than TU with WK for sure. With this much healing power, it is quite a bit better.

The 16s CD makes it nice for on-heal rune effects too, which is why I love it with Defender so much.