Guild Wars 2

Does this trait works well with the Sigil of Earth?! I’m thinking on runing a Condition/Precision build for a shortbow ranger in the future.

Well the bleeds will never go above 1s from the trait, so they don’t really help to apply stacks of bleed. However, the sigil offers the opportunity to get 2 bleed ticks off of one crit, and the sigil has a 2s ICD.

The shortbow attacks about 2 times every ~1s, so every 5s, you are looking at something along the line of a maximum of doing stacks per second that look like: 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, every 5s and then back down to 3.

This is if you’re lucky enough to proc EVERY time, but I would average say you are maintaining 2-3 stacks on somebody not flanking, which I personally think with enough condition damage is good pressure, though the community will definitely tell you that Sharpened Edges is a lackluster trait in comparison with all of the other professions bleed on crit traits (it is, but the balancing factor would be the shortbows attack speed being the highest in the game, and our traits lack of ICD).

So you would want to factor in your other choices in that trait slot and make the best decision when looking at a damage alone perspective. Simply put, the only other damage trait right there is 30% more damage on pet crit. So think about how often you pet lands an attack, and their crit chance, and then compare it against your crit chance, and the percentage of damage you get by taking sharpened edges (1 stack of bleed damage/auto attack damage without bleed=damage increase as a decimal then*100 to get percent increase). Then multiply your crit chance as decimal*.6 to get the decimal of how often you will proc the trait, then multiply by 100 to get percentage.

Ultimately though, while those are just numerical statistics, they are only what the crit chance is over a large sample. In a small sample, luck alone can make you crit every attack, so its ultimately up to you to decide if it is worth it.

Really great answer jcbroe, i dindt know about the internal CD, my build will have 63% crit chance without fury, i’m using 2 superior runes of the Krait (28 Condition Damage and +15% bleed duration) i’m runing 2 felines with me all the time (lynx and jungle stalker) and i’ve traited Rending Attacks from the BM tree (feline pets bleed on critical hit with their basic attacks) i’ll use the sharpening stone skill and the Keen Edge trait to keep a high bleed count on my targets… I mainly do pve with my characters, i already have a full zerker warrior and a full knight guardian, i know condition builds doesnt do wonders on pve but it is somthing that i would like to try! =)

OBS: this is the build i’m planning on using Precision/Condition Damage Build

Okay, so bleeds tick at 92-93 damage (this isn’t a constant for whatever reason ANet decided not to floor/ceiling it).
I couldn’t replicate it exactly with pvp armor, but I can get 1370 power, and based off of that, your autoattacks are doing ~200 on the tooltip, which means crits hit for about 382.

So, that means that when Sharpened Edges procs, you increase that attacks damage by ~24%. Off of crit, with Sharpened Edges proc rate of 60%, you will apply the bleed at ~38%. Same goes with sigil of earth. Proccing at the same time will only happen about ~14% of the time, but sigil of earths bleed lasts for 5s, so once it procs, then there there is a constant bleed stack on for 5s.

So let’s assume the sigil procs; now we have 1 stack + 38% for ~3 more attacks to apply another stack that lasts for 1s until sigil comes back off of cooldown. If it procs again, then you have 2 bleed stacks that will last for 3s before going back to 1 stack for 2 seconds, followed by ~3 more attacks that could proc a 1s bleed.

Basically, as long as you are lucky (shortbow fires at an extremely fast rate of fire, so is much more forgiving) you can keep a consistent 3 and then spike to 4 bleeds without flanking. So just multply 24 by the number of stacks you have and then add a percent sign to that number and thats the additional damage on top of a crit that you’ve just added to your autoattack.

Personally I think that is good, so I think you’ll enjoy the build.

Thanks bro, thats some really great tips! if i could rate you more i would =)

Lol no problem, I’m just glad I can help

30% petcrit is much better if you’re running cats that crit all the time, it basically adds a 300-500 damage on their basic attack depending on the targets armor and obviously more on the big hits and ups the burst on petswap by alot, the bleed is nice that it hasn’t got an internal cooldown but even with high crit chance you’ll have periods where it falls off entirely anyway plus your increased bleed duration does nothing for the trait bleeds since it’s just a ridiculous 1s bleed it will never tick more than once for each proc.

Just had a look at the build keen edge is a terrible trait because it has a 6minute cd in combat and a 60s cd upon leaving combat unless this was changed in the patch, dump it.
Companions might is also terrible because it only adds 1might for 1s and only from your crits, dump it.

Somehow you managed to grab the terrible 1s traits, not your fault though they sound good until you hear it’s only 1s wich is frankly insulting imo.

Would also like to point out you only have 25% increased bleeds wich is not enough to give an extra tick from shortbow flanking bleeds you’ll need 33%+ for that so you should change 2 orbs for another 2set bonus to bleeds, getting 40% extra duration is a nice spot for you actually since it will also give 2extra ticks from each proc on the sigil of earth.

Another thing change the geomancy sigil on the melee weapon set you can’t use “on crit” sigils and “on weapon swap” sigils together because the “on crit” one will put the other on cd, get either a stacking one or a flat stat % one.

Manekk.6981:

30% petcrit is much better if you’re running cats that crit all the time, it basically adds a 300-500 damage on their basic attack depending on the targets armor and obviously more on the big hits and ups the burst on petswap by alot, the bleed is nice that it hasn’t got an internal cooldown but even with high crit chance you’ll have periods where it falls off entirely anyway plus your increased bleed duration does nothing for the trait bleeds since it’s just a ridiculous 1s bleed it will never tick more than once for each proc.

Just had a look at the build keen edge is a terrible trait because it has a 6minute cd in combat and a 60s cd upon leaving combat unless this was changed in the patch, companions might is also terrible because it only adds 1might for 1s and only from your crits, somehow you managed to grab the terrible 1s traits, not your fault though they sound good until you hear it’s only 1s wich is frankly insulting imo.

Yeah, I couldn’t see the pet choice or I would have done some math on it. Is the pet shown in the build too he used? I couldn’t find it, and I’m very used to gw2skill.net lol.

jcbroe.4329:

Manekk.6981:

30% petcrit is much better if you’re running cats that crit all the time, it basically adds a 300-500 damage on their basic attack depending on the targets armor and obviously more on the big hits and ups the burst on petswap by alot, the bleed is nice that it hasn’t got an internal cooldown but even with high crit chance you’ll have periods where it falls off entirely anyway plus your increased bleed duration does nothing for the trait bleeds since it’s just a ridiculous 1s bleed it will never tick more than once for each proc.

Just had a look at the build keen edge is a terrible trait because it has a 6minute cd in combat and a 60s cd upon leaving combat unless this was changed in the patch, companions might is also terrible because it only adds 1might for 1s and only from your crits, somehow you managed to grab the terrible 1s traits, not your fault though they sound good until you hear it’s only 1s wich is frankly insulting imo.

Yeah, I couldn’t see the pet choice or I would have done some math on it. Is the pet shown in the build too he used? I couldn’t find it, and I’m very used to gw2skill.net lol.

No but he posted just below you saying he used 2 cats

Manekk.6981:

jcbroe.4329:

Manekk.6981:

30% petcrit is much better if you’re running cats that crit all the time, it basically adds a 300-500 damage on their basic attack depending on the targets armor and obviously more on the big hits and ups the burst on petswap by alot, the bleed is nice that it hasn’t got an internal cooldown but even with high crit chance you’ll have periods where it falls off entirely anyway plus your increased bleed duration does nothing for the trait bleeds since it’s just a ridiculous 1s bleed it will never tick more than once for each proc.

Just had a look at the build keen edge is a terrible trait because it has a 6minute cd in combat and a 60s cd upon leaving combat unless this was changed in the patch, companions might is also terrible because it only adds 1might for 1s and only from your crits, somehow you managed to grab the terrible 1s traits, not your fault though they sound good until you hear it’s only 1s wich is frankly insulting imo.

Yeah, I couldn’t see the pet choice or I would have done some math on it. Is the pet shown in the build too he used? I couldn’t find it, and I’m very used to gw2skill.net lol.

No but he posted just below you saying he used 2 cats

Oh duh lol.

Yeah, then as Manekk said, the 30% more damage on crit is going to net a higher total damage output. That doesn’t factor in environment or situation (such as being in a situation where the pets can’t access the opponent, or the opponent is kiting well enough to lose a considerable DPS).