Guild Wars 2

I recently finished leveling up my ranger. He is just terrible compared to my war thief or Mesmer. Do you guys honestly think anet will ever ditch the pet since I doubt its even possible to make the ai useful. Gaming ai just isn’t up to par technology wise yet. It just amazes me how this class can be so terrible compared to all my other classes and anet hasn’t done anything about it in a year.

I don’t see any call to delete it. If you’re not enjoying it (and if you have both a warrior and a thief at 80 I totally get how you’re finding them lacking in the comparison) just shelve it.

Eventually they’re going to have to do SOMETHING with the class.

just check this video

id say yes, warrior is better at long bow than “Ranger” gg.

Aight first of all that video is of pve lol. Second yes I know some ranger builds like spirit our shout regen can be ok in 1v1s. I have been doing lots of duels against good players and I can usually stay alive a really long time and call it a draw but I can’t kill any of them either. However in group fights/wvw the ranger is awful I mean beyond awful. Unless you put your pet on passive it just runs into the zerg and dies in seconds. You pretty much can’t use your sword/dagger or axe/torch in a zerg cus you would have to be right in the middle and your pet and you will die. Rampage being basically the only form of stability is garbage you just get chained cced till dead. The pet skills take ages to actually activate and most are very meh. Your pet constantly chases people around but rarely ever actually attacks cus the player doesn’t stand still.

My warrior with a long bow is far superior to my ranger with a longbow. My thief is far better than my ranger in close quarters. My guardian and warrior are better tanks than a tanky ranger. He does nothing better than other classes.

Sujin.3269:

id say yes, warrior is better at long bow than “Ranger” gg.

Why is people keep lying about this? They are not, I have both characters fully geared on zerk and Warrior on Longbow doesnt even get close to Rangers sustained damage with LB.

1) the range, Ranger has so much range than warriors… 1200 vs 1500 what translates into 1350-1500 for warriors (if spaming 1 in red) and near 1750-2K for rangers.

2) Warriors LB auto attacks hits like wet noodles… whenever you see a warrior crit for about 4K with his #1 give me a call or call guiness records directly.

3) What do you care the most? who kills a Moa first or who can sustain more damage on a boss? Rangers have way much more damage than warriors on a sustained fight. And its damage does not depend on conditions (LB wise) thing that is a plus in this game.

Warriors are not horrible at longbow but they are not rangers. They are different but not better.

Delete or not based on what did you expect to find as a Ranger and not comparing things with other classes.

Because most of us aren’t fighting things (AI or player) stupid enough to let us stay at max range for more than 2-3 shots?

Because when you are fighting fixed opponents (some dungeon bosses) You’re better off staying closer to the target where you can both give and recieve boons with your team?

Nike.2631:

Because most of us aren’t fighting things (AI or player) stupid enough to let us stay at max range for more than 2-3 shots?

I don’t need more than 2-3 or 4 top shots to kill regular mobs at 80.

Players are a different thing, I’m talking about PVE.

Most of the time that I read on a ‘ranger is crap’ thread, it usually relates to the player not doing a good job at playing as a ranger. The fact is that no class truly compares with another, they all have different approaches to combat, of which you can use to excel at different tasks. Since I was considered the best ranger in my guild, what I used to do was to grab a bunch of rangers and teach them how I approach the fights in pve/pvp/wvw. In my opinion, if you are struggling as a ranger, do take the time to find rangers who you know are better than you and learn from them. A month ago I helped a brand new player, who chose their main to be a ranger, from level 1 to level 80; with the right tips they learned to really enjoy the ranger profession and turned out to be quite impressive by the time they got to level 80, the rest is up to their own personal ability. If you need any face to face tips, contact me in game via mail, I’d be glad to help.

Oh. Well. Clearly I need to learn to play. In 20 words or less, could you summarize this amazing depth the class has the rest of us are missing?

Nike.2631:

Because when you are fighting fixed opponents (some dungeon bosses) You’re better off staying closer to the target where you can both give and recieve boons with your team?

Than why are we discussing long bow damage?

Not if it’s a high level. But that’s because it takes me a while to level things. So if you want to play it again ever, I wouldn’t delete it.

Usually things go in and out of being OP. It used to be beastmaster condi builds were OP. In spvp at least. Or backstab d/d theives. Or shatter mesmers. Now it’s stun warriors, condi necros, etc. WvW is kinda a different story, where rangers have never been good but other classes that used to not be popular now are, like necros. So maybe some day the ranger will be able to support the group there as well.

I have played since beta. I have never done one single dungeon run period and never will. My game time has been 99.9 percent wvw/spvp. I and everybody else knows the rangers are terrible compared to any other class in both wvw/spvp. Again some builds can atleast survive awhile in a 1v1 but you wont kill a good player using those builds either. Ask any good pvper in guild wars to rank the classes and ranger will be last every time. Until such a time as the pet ai gets fixed or they allow you to permently stow your pet the ranger will continue to be bad at pvp.

Mesket.5728:

Nike.2631:

Because when you are fighting fixed opponents (some dungeon bosses) You’re better off staying closer to the target where you can both give and recieve boons with your team?

Than why are we discussing long bow damage?

Because warrior longbow doesn’t lose effectiveness when targets close? It doesn’t rely on an unsustainable gimmick to claim effective damage output?

Nike.2631:

Mesket.5728:

Nike.2631:

Because when you are fighting fixed opponents (some dungeon bosses) You’re better off staying closer to the target where you can both give and recieve boons with your team?

Than why are we discussing long bow damage?

Because warrior longbow doesn’t lose effectiveness when targets close? It doesn’t rely on an unsustainable gimmick to claim effective damage output?

What? are you trying to use a scenario where you would use a Warrior at melee with a longbow??? kitten

No, I’m acknowledge the reality that even when you start a fight at range, that range is going to shrink in most cases (and should shrink in team play), and that basing your expectation of Ranger longbow DPS off of what it does in the max range bracket vs. a more realistic medium-range damage or even mixed medium- and short-range is just deceiving yourself about what Ranger longbow does vs. almost any other ranged weapon that doesn’t rely on the “hits harder at longer ranges” gimmick.

I don’t have to be in melee to trade buffs, but I can’t do it at all from 1,200+ away from the action.

Anything that will down a player will kill your pet. Don’t put your pet in situation you the player wouldn’t want to be in.

Lately I have been running sword/axe for WvW. I loving pulling my target away from the enemy zerg (wished they get pulled all the way to me rather than getting stuck on a rock or slight bump in the terrain.) Melee isnt for everyone I myself am just starting to melee in WvW. With that said if you feel melee is a bad idea then why use a melee pet in WvW.

I really get tired of people blaming the class for bad choices made on their part. Rangers blindly firing into the center of a zerg . Then they wonder why their pet charges the zerg and dies. Thieves do well because they pick their targets.

Yes there are issue with pets. Having a pet with 1200 or 1500 range would help a lot. I mean the pet is an extension of the ranger and if the ranger feels he needs to be at max ranger. Sending a pet in to tank the untankable like an enemy zerg doesn’t make much sense.

I don’t believe Rangers are a back line class nor do I believe we are front line. Let the warriors and Guardians mindlessly charge in both classes have a lot of armor and skill that can get them out quickly.

Rangers need to play like they are smarter than your average bear grunt. If you try to play a Ranger like these easy mode classes your going to get stomped.

There are issue with the class, but most of the issues with the class are minor. These small issue can be doubled or tripled because of bad choices made by the player.

it is conceptually wrong to try to use a loooong bow in situations where does not apply. If you enter a dungeon with any intention of using a long bow, you probably need to re-read what the weapon is used for… you will be better with a short bow which is better at skirmishing and tight scenarios. Lucky for us, most traits were placed together giving bonus to boths bows with the same trait so you don’t even need to specialize in one or the other.

Check out some of the proposed changed for Dec. 15~

Ranger longbow auto attack is getting a proposed +20% damage at short range, +15% and medium range.

Warrior longbow burst skill is getting a reduction in direct damage.

Great fixes. Should go a ways towards rectifying the imbalance between Ranger and Warrior archery some of us were well aware of.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Anything that will down a player will kill your pet. Don’t put your pet in situation you the player wouldn’t want to be in.

Sure, but it doesn’t go both ways. Not everything that will down a pet, will down a player. And that’s not even taking into consideration the vast amount of survival skills most classes have.

Pets can not blink out of a ring of warding, they can’t activate renewed focus after popping f1-3 for a blind, heal, and aegis, they can’t mistform, they can’t death shroud, etc.

If you not care your ranger and not happy with it go on delete it.
And go to play what make your feeling happy.

I don’t know why people has problem with pet….

In pvp. I put it on passive all the time but I key bind “sending them to atk” and “coming back”.

So it doesn’t run to die and I have fully control on my pet.

All the games I have played they have worse pet than this game so far.

But I do agree howl is too slow on some pet.

Passive/Active should have a keybind from beta. Why it still doesn’t is a mystery, and quite frankly stupid. Why? Because having that on a keybind would be “too much control” and scare away new players, Mr. Jon Sharp? Please don’t patronize me. I think better of people abilities to deal with 5 buttons than 4. If you sent the pet to attack that means you’re range. If you’re range you’re dealing kitten poor damage. I don’t pvp and don’t care for the PVP modes but in PVE it’s all about dealing the most damage you can as fast as you can while dodging all the damage you can. Sword+WH w/jungle stalker+red moa does a great job but next to none of that is coming for the pet because it’s dead after it gets off 3-4 hits. Can’t “call it back” because it’s in melee range with you. Well fark. Ranged pets to kitten poor damage and their F2s suck. Slap some auto-evades into their AA like we have on the GS. And you don’t have full control over the pet: You can’t tell it where to attack from, you can’t tell it when to use it’s special attack (not F2), and I’m sure there is more I"m forgetting. Not to mention you can’t tell what buffs/condis it has on it without clicking on it for some God Forsaken reason.

Only reason I haven’t deleted my ranger is I stubbornly hold on to hope that someone at Anet will come to their kitten senses and give the option to get rid of the pet. I don’t play it nearly what I use to and play the game a whole lot less since I got my motorcycle… I love playing the Ranger, I hate dealing with the pet and its’ below average AI. So, OP, I highly suggest if you don’t want to deal with the pet delete it now and roll something that doesn’t isn’t FORCED to deal with a pet that didn’t pass the 2nd grade of grade school… I say that because it was 3rd grade when I learned to play dodge ball, something the pet would fail at terribly.

Nike.2631:

Check out some of the proposed changed for Dec. 15~

Ranger longbow auto attack is getting a proposed +20% damage at short range, +15% and medium range.

Warrior longbow burst skill is getting a reduction in direct damage.

Great fixes. Should go a ways towards rectifying the imbalance between Ranger and Warrior archery some of us were well aware of.

True if u consider longbow but on the Other hand warrior’s crack shot is becoming an adept trait .

i know that rifle has a lot of weaknesses but i think it will generate some steady rifle/sniper builds, especially due to how easily they can get a 98% immo/Chill/Cripple reduction…

Mogrey.3891:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikyW7ITpmQ

just check this video

Wow killing something that is just standing still is considered good?

Well ranger in PvP is still good, if our F2 became more responsive we’d be in good shape… Learn to be tricksy! It helps!

Good topic! I was actually thinking of deleting my warrior cause my ranger is so much better.

I wouldn’t delete it, but don’t expect to use it as much as your other chars. If I hadn’t done my 100% world completion on my ranger, she’d see a lot less use. Now I’m kind of stuck with her because a lot of stuff is in places my other chars don’t have WPs and I don’t have the time now to both run through half the world and play the new content.