Guild Wars 2

I’m trying to understand where ANET has placed us cause it does not make sense.

Ranged Damage: Warriors win here. Warrior Rifle handily beats our options. Kill Shot brings insane burst damage that we cant even touch.

Melee Damage: Not even a comparison, our melee is some of the weakest in GW2.

Support Skills: Our spirits get one shotted and have been nerfed. Warrior Shouts and Banners are considered top tier for support.

Survival: Warriors have built in advantages here with more raw health and armor over Ranger.

Pets, whom miss 70% of their attacks on moving targets, do not even begin to bridge these issues.

EDIT: If we dont get a response by midnight tonight, I’m going to shelve my ranger. I hope others join me in this. Its widely known rangers were a rather ignored class in GW1 and it seems the same philosophy is being used here in GW2.

I really do agree with this. I do enjoy Ranger’s escape abilities, I feel like this is the strong part of the profession. But Warriors do seem more attractive. I guess, personally, I’ve spent 200+ hours on my Ranger, and I just don’t have the motivation to get another character to 80 and refarm all of my karma.

I’m already levelling a warrior! I think the game should be called now Warriors Wars 2.

Nalia.7921:

I’m already levelling a warrior! I think the game should be called now Warriors Wars 2.

Nice one!

Edited main post. I’m going to stage something of a soft protest. Others are welcome to join or not. Our issues are too great and communication too thin for me to really put much effort into playing this class as my long term. I just hit 80 yesterday after already rerolling from a Guardian (no ranged weapon in WvW=very boring) and a Necro (terribly balanced class). It seems I should have done what all my friends did and just gone Warrior.

Well, my main is guardian and after today’s change and nerf alltogether I’m feeling like I should “facedesk”. As ranger is my alt, and I see so many broken things with her too, what’s left, I’m going a warrior, sigh.

I played as a ranger through out all of the BWEs etc and since launch and spent over 200g+ on it. But this most recent nerf puts “puts the tin lid on it” so to speak. I’ve already started out with a thief, it’s lvl 2 but it’s my main now and I have shelved my ranger, despite how fond I am of it.

As it is, ever patch nerfs the ranger that bit more and they have yet to fix any of the massive amount of outstanding bugs with the ranger.

I find myself agreeing completely. I don’t like where the lack of attention to Ranger bugs is going, and I don’t want it to start a trend.

Nalia.7921:

Well, my main is guardian and after today’s change and nerf alltogether I’m feeling like I should “facedesk”. As ranger is my alt, and I see so many broken things with her too, what’s left, I’m going a warrior, sigh.

Ha, same exact thing for me. Guardian is my main and I’ve just finished levelling a Ranger to 80 and now I’m feeling disgusted with both of my choices. I can’t help but feel Warrior is due for some nerfs in the future though, so even they feel like a gamble now. ANet can we please just stop nerfing everything? This was a big flaw in the original GW, and it’s the sorta thing that drives a player base to oblivion.

Let’s face it. Ranger is a beginner class. Easy PvE. Typical tank with pet kill from a distance.

I was really excited to start PVe/WvW after watching a YouTube sPvP vid. GS/LB – unfortunately I didn’t realize it was a beta vid until I was wondering why my GS was so weak.

Having been in and watched friends play other classes in WvW and sPvP, not even the un-nerfed SB woul be competitive with similarly skilled players of other classes.

At the very least let us use the Ranger for relaxed PvE, by unnerfng the SB.

I’m going on 9 days without playing GW2 at all. These ranger nerfs don’t do anything to make me want to come back right now. Maybe someday I’ll get really, really bored and fire it up again….

Guess ill see you on the warrior’s forum complaining when they get a nerf then. The SB needed a nerf and it got one how are so many people surprised by this. If all it takes is one nerf for you to stop playing a profession then it more likely your just a FOTM player and was going to change professions soon enough

It isn’t that we’re upset because they “dared to nerf us”. It’s that they nerfed us and didn’t bother fixing any of the important bugs.

Oh, and if Ranger is a “beginner” class, explain why Guardians get a heal for their entire health bar, explain why Mesmers have clones and phantasms to tank damage for them, explain why Necros have DS and minions, explain why Warriors have the highest health and armor in the game, explain why Engineers have all those turrets and kits, explain why Thieves have all their stealth skills, explain the massive amount of skills Elementalists get, and explain why every class isn’t just handed a sword and told to “get out there”. This game is about variety. Every class has the same potential, just different ways of doing it. Rangers have pets to tank for them because they don’t have naturally high health and armor, they don’t have stealth, they don’t have a million minions or full heals or a secondary health bar they charge by attacking, they don’t have turrets. And you know, pets aren’t even that strong to begin with.

Please, do go on about how easy-mode Rangers are.

Guys if you want a PvE/WvWvW replacement for your Ranger and want to keep the medium armour then Engineer is a good choice too.

Their granades can put out way more aoe damage then Rangers can do single target and can do it at 1500 range too and all the whining about them is that it isn’t strong enough yet so it may even get buffed.

Alientongue.3045:

Guess ill see you on the warrior’s forum complaining when they get a nerf then. The SB needed a nerf and it got one how are so many people surprised by this. If all it takes is one nerf for you to stop playing a profession then it more likely your just a FOTM player and was going to change professions soon enough

Ranger FOTM? I can’t laugh at you enough quite frankly.

Don’t make it so obvious that you never played the class and only came here to troll.

This wasn’t your run of the mill nerf. Crossfire accounts for 80%+ of the damage output of most rangers. Its not like nerfing one random cool-down skill. And it is extremely disingenuous of Anet to do this all in the name of “some glitches in the animation” that no one was even aware of.

Warrior? No way. I’m already in the process of rerolling a Elementalist. I’m also toying with a thief. The sad part…? I’m already enjoying them a ton more than I ever did with my kittened Ranger.

Alientongue.3045:

Guess ill see you on the warrior’s forum complaining when they get a nerf then. The SB needed a nerf and it got one how are so many people surprised by this. If all it takes is one nerf for you to stop playing a profession then it more likely your just a FOTM player and was going to change professions soon enough

If SB needed a nerf, Warrior Rifle needs an insane nerf. All the SB damage is from its auto attack, and the warrior rifle is actually very competitive with it. Harder to dodge projectile, double duration bleed without a positioning requirement, and your 2-3 skills are fantastic damage dealers. SB has no damage dealing outside its auto attack.

not to mention that warrior bullets don’t tell you that the view is obstructed when CLEARLY ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A HIT. Fix ranger anet……please

Ill join you, but can I still play my ranger for dungeons till I gear my thief up?

i’m leveling my warrior now, high damage high sustain,.. i just don’t know what i was thinking when i stopped leveling my warrior to get my ranger full itens…

Informer.5213:

It isn’t that we’re upset because they “dared to nerf us”. It’s that they nerfed us and didn’t bother fixing any of the important bugs.

Oh, and if Ranger is a “beginner” class, explain why Guardians get a heal for their entire health bar, explain why Mesmers have clones and phantasms to tank damage for them, explain why Necros have DS and minions, explain why Warriors have the highest health and armor in the game, explain why Engineers have all those turrets and kits, explain why Thieves have all their stealth skills, explain the massive amount of skills Elementalists get, and explain why every class isn’t just handed a sword and told to “get out there”. This game is about variety. Every class has the same potential, just different ways of doing it. Rangers have pets to tank for them because they don’t have naturally high health and armor, they don’t have stealth, they don’t have a million minions or full heals or a secondary health bar they charge by attacking, they don’t have turrets. And you know, pets aren’t even that strong to begin with.

Please, do go on about how easy-mode Rangers are.

Rangers are beginner class bcause it doesn’t take much skill to survive and explore PvE. That’s mainly what I meant.

But I also mean that in PvP/WvW you don’t have anywhere as many playstyle options.

Mesmer phantasms are weak as hell and disappear after every kill, not a tank,simply meant to confuse. But they have some pretty nasty PvP skills. Eles have the largest selection of skills of any class and have 4 elements they can switch into during battle. Etc.

I’m not an expert but I watch friends who are good and you can also watch vids on Youtube (make sure you aren’t watching beta pre-GS neff ones) and I’m in awe of how fast and easily a good player with one of the other classes can kill.

Rangers can only wear down an opponent since they have low burst damage. Most of my kills come from sniping an already wounded player. Kinda lame.

I’m learning an Ele now and holy crap, dual dagger played right is a killing machine but you need to concentrate like hell and my fingers are moving like crazy.

So thats thats what I mean by Ranger is a beginner class especially in PvE.

NinjaKnight.1340:

Informer.5213:

It isn’t that we’re upset because they “dared to nerf us”. It’s that they nerfed us and didn’t bother fixing any of the important bugs.

Oh, and if Ranger is a “beginner” class, explain why Guardians get a heal for their entire health bar, explain why Mesmers have clones and phantasms to tank damage for them, explain why Necros have DS and minions, explain why Warriors have the highest health and armor in the game, explain why Engineers have all those turrets and kits, explain why Thieves have all their stealth skills, explain the massive amount of skills Elementalists get, and explain why every class isn’t just handed a sword and told to “get out there”. This game is about variety. Every class has the same potential, just different ways of doing it. Rangers have pets to tank for them because they don’t have naturally high health and armor, they don’t have stealth, they don’t have a million minions or full heals or a secondary health bar they charge by attacking, they don’t have turrets. And you know, pets aren’t even that strong to begin with.

Please, do go on about how easy-mode Rangers are.

Rangers are beginner class bcause it doesn’t take much skill to survive and explore PvE. That’s mainly what I meant.

But I also mean that in PvP/WvW you don’t have anywhere as many playstyle options.

Mesmer phantasms are weak as hell and disappear after every kill, not a tank,simply meant to confuse. But they have some pretty nasty PvP skills. Eles have the largest selection of skills of any class and have 4 elements they can switch into during battle. Etc.

I’m not an expert but I watch friends who are good and you can also watch vids on Youtube (make sure you aren’t watching beta pre-GS neff ones) and I’m in awe of how fast and easily a good player with one of the other classes can kill.

Rangers can only wear down an opponent since they have low burst damage. Most of my kills come from sniping an already wounded player. Kinda lame.

I’m learning an Ele now and holy crap, dual dagger played right is a killing machine but you need to concentrate like hell and my fingers are moving like crazy.

So thats thats what I mean by Ranger is a beginner class especially in PvE.

Didnt know interrupting things, having to control a stupid AI, positioning myself to flank the target to get the full potential of my basic attack and trying to line up targets to mass snare with one arrow was a lack of skill.

My bad, I apologize for thinking that rangers required skill to be good rangers.

Rizzy.8293:

NinjaKnight.1340:

Informer.5213:

It isn’t that we’re upset because they “dared to nerf us”. It’s that they nerfed us and didn’t bother fixing any of the important bugs.

Oh, and if Ranger is a “beginner” class, explain why Guardians get a heal for their entire health bar, explain why Mesmers have clones and phantasms to tank damage for them, explain why Necros have DS and minions, explain why Warriors have the highest health and armor in the game, explain why Engineers have all those turrets and kits, explain why Thieves have all their stealth skills, explain the massive amount of skills Elementalists get, and explain why every class isn’t just handed a sword and told to “get out there”. This game is about variety. Every class has the same potential, just different ways of doing it. Rangers have pets to tank for them because they don’t have naturally high health and armor, they don’t have stealth, they don’t have a million minions or full heals or a secondary health bar they charge by attacking, they don’t have turrets. And you know, pets aren’t even that strong to begin with.

Please, do go on about how easy-mode Rangers are.

Rangers are beginner class bcause it doesn’t take much skill to survive and explore PvE. That’s mainly what I meant.

But I also mean that in PvP/WvW you don’t have anywhere as many playstyle options.

Mesmer phantasms are weak as hell and disappear after every kill, not a tank,simply meant to confuse. But they have some pretty nasty PvP skills. Eles have the largest selection of skills of any class and have 4 elements they can switch into during battle. Etc.

I’m not an expert but I watch friends who are good and you can also watch vids on Youtube (make sure you aren’t watching beta pre-GS neff ones) and I’m in awe of how fast and easily a good player with one of the other classes can kill.

Rangers can only wear down an opponent since they have low burst damage. Most of my kills come from sniping an already wounded player. Kinda lame.

I’m learning an Ele now and holy crap, dual dagger played right is a killing machine but you need to concentrate like hell and my fingers are moving like crazy.

So thats thats what I mean by Ranger is a beginner class especially in PvE.

Didnt know interrupting things, having to control a stupid AI, positioning myself to flank the target to get the full potential of my basic attack and trying to line up targets to mass snare with one arrow was a lack of skill.

My bad, I apologize for thinking that rangers required skill to be good rangers.

Sure you CAN play a Ranger with skill, but if you are that good put that skill into another class and you will get a lot more out of it. You do realize that most other classes also have interrupt skills. Ele has I think 3 or 4 you can chain if you are fast enough, they also have that line of fire thing which can be very affective with a lined up group of targets.

Beginner class is for survivabilty for bad players. As a ranger you can send a tank pet out and kill several mob without even moving from your spot.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Ranger class (because I’m a mediocre player coming from MMOs where you stand still and cast, having to learn how to make my char dance around while fighting). But i still see how easy the Ranger is when I switch to an Ele or Mesmer alt. They take more work to be good. But when they are good they are really good.

Why are people making ultimatums in these posts?? Do this or I reroll etc…. Geeze really

Well despite the fact that I won’t be rerolling and I love my pets regardless, I think this is a strong powerful response and feedback from players. ANet needs to take this seriously. With so many bugs and issues with rangers that was already a weak class comparatively in the first place, instead of fixing even one thing or considering the issues we have reported, they go ahead and nerf things and destroy the class’s effectiveness further for no reason. There was no bug with the sb… Instead we see some detailed revisions on other classes whether it is buff or nerf, but they have some work put into it. We get practically nothing but now worse than nothing. Rangers in beta were quite effective why was it nerfed so hard so it is ineffective? Whatever happened to balancing classes?

Calm your kitten game is a little over a month old, and with the amount of trait bugs and such it will take awhile to fix. Im willing to bet they are going through testing phases atm now. Im with you tho, I had my heart set on a longbow sniper ranger, and ran into a sling shot, so now Im playing a thief. Yes rifle warrior is boss mode compared to longbow ranger, simply no comparison, I have played that as well.

@faytte.1057
My main is War full geared, and i just finished My PVE/WvW gear for ranger. I feel what u say. War is sooooo much stronger. Its clear when u look party for pve for example if you are ranger ppl wont take u. If you are war ull get party in no time. In WvW, wor is super long lasting, huge dmg and high hp.
Overall u r so right and even do i like my war and i would hate it nerfd, what you said is really true.

Yep i started a thief but i think i’ll go for a warrior.

I love the idea of the ranger but i can’t do this anymore, so i’m picking the easy choice…

Btw soon enough there will be only warriors left in Tyria)

I made up a thief and have been testing it out, but I think I will go guardian or warrior.

It is funny how in the last patch they nerfed the ranger and didnt touch the war…

You’re right, rangers were kind of ignored in gw1, they were one of the strongest classes through the entire span of the game. Your point being?

lol@ ranger is pve easy mode, every class is easy mode in common pve, when comes to instance ranger is the worst class, why? cuz even tanky pets dies so quickly in instance and pet is counted as a part of ranger formula, all you can do is bring out a range attack pet and hope it doesnt touch the edge of boss aoes when yourself busy dodging it.

for the part if we should reroll other classes for better PvP experience? Yes.

Why? Of course you can still win with ranger if you are skilled enough but you can win a lot more with other classes as the efforts you put in to be a good ranger.

Just like picking low tier toons in a fighting game, you can still beat players who are a lot worse than you, but you will never see a low tier character win a major tournament.

might as well. . . every other profession seems to be getting nerfs cept warrior
which I assumed was their pride and joy finished product (
so I assumed they would buff the others to stay on par == oh how i was wrong

While i agree with what you say, calling out Anet in your title will get this thread closed…sorry.

Go make a warrior then. I have a lvl 61 ranger and love the profession.

Are we playing the same prof? i’m running longbow + sword/warhorn, 2 spirits, a signet (changes between wild, hunt, and occasionally the condition one) and either a trap or QZ and have no issues supporting, or killing people…

I also have 30 points in BM and my pet (a canine) does just fine destroying people, not to mention he’ll knock em down ensuring he can get a few more hits in…

But by all means go play warrior because “ranger is broken” totally an awful prof, idk why anyone would ever play it rolls eyes but seriously once all you bad players who don’t listen to advice are gone maybe i could expect a challenge from the enemy rangers in pvp….