Guild Wars 2

I’m quite sure this likely isn’t an original build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV3fnMqQrg2LIGsAXLGQSoa/ABQD8aIcntXwHfxSPJB-TJRAABsVGY6LCAAPBga2fAA

But I have found a new love for SPvP. It is such a great support build; with nature’s voice your guard provides a very consistent source of healing and swiftness for everyone around you. Sic’em is so overpowered against thieves, they drop like butter! (it’s quite great with other professions as well) With settler’s gear and dolyak runes, not only are you tough but you can heal better and lay on constant bleed pressure. Shortbow is so awesome; where have you been all my life?? You are very hard to kill and can survive battles against two or more opponents long enough for reinforcements to arrive. Healing Spring is even more added support. More importantly, you keep team members alive, can survive longer to revive team members, and so you can overwhelm the enemy with numbers. You get shared anguish, hide in plain sight, and empathic bond, with healing spring to keep you alive. The only time you are weak is when you don’t pay attention and your pet(s) get killed, and then two of your utilities (shouts) become useless if you’re on a cooldown.

I find most of the time I’m on the shortbow with this build, but I could see axe/torch as a strong way to damage folks too, just less survivable. So those super expensive heal on swap sigils are not really necessary, you can throw something else in there.

Fern Hound is good for control and some extra regen to throw around. The cat is just plain strong with sic’em.

I don’t feel kitten in the damage department at all in this bunker build. Try it out!
I went from being a liability to a huge asset to the team, and frequently at or near the top of the scoreboard for the round as an added bonus.

The only unfortunate thing is I have to retire my always-up Fury build and have a build that’s inconsistent with my character’s name (Source of Fury).

Why use signet of the hunt in a near perma swiftness build? plenty better options to use, you could have signet of the wild instead wich would make your pet alot more durable and also give yourself more healing than the runes currently do and pick up a more useful runeset also, or get one of the stunbreaker ones as last utility.

Good point, I guess I didn’t want to have to worry about speed ever. But yea I should use something else!

KevlarZero.6849:

Good point, I guess I didn’t want to have to worry about speed ever. But yea I should use something else!

Well you really don’t have to worry fighting on a spot, the speed is not as useful there at the very least in terms of +25% speed for 1 second or whatever you don’t already have swiftness up for, it’s way more important while moving between points or if you are forced to disengage/escape but even then the tiny window at normal speed will basically make no diffrence at all anyway.

I like this build more for WvW, that perma swiftness, strong regen and swapping sick em with protect me is a life saver. In PvP I find it more useful to go with a bleeding build or a survival bunker build.

I run a build very similar to this in tPvP. It’s extremely effective at 1vs1’s, bunking on points, and harassing far point.

I would take Manekk’s suggestion and swap out SotH to SotW. Then swap your runes out for something else. Personally, I run Rune of the Water for the extra Healing Power, condi clear, and boon duration. The boon duration allows me to drop Shout Master and pickup Mighty Swap. Add Sigil of Battle on both weapon sets and you can easily maintain 12-15 stacks of Might (by yourself). The boon duration is also nice for all the other boons you get from your team.

Runes of Altruism also work well with this kind of build.

The reason why picked dolyak was for the added toughness and vitality. In the whole scheme of things I think 175 extra healing amounts to about 20 extra health with regen.

You don’t need a fern hound with the regen from guard. Wolf or drakehound would be better.

I would swap signet of the hunt for signet of the wild and then use soldier runes instead of dolyak. That way you can handle conditions thrown at you, and still get the regen dolyak provided with SoW.

I use a build very similar to this in spvp, only instead of running 30 in wilderness survival I got into Beastmastery. I do love seeing my underestimated pet hit like a truck.

Thanks, I swapped out fern hound and now have the wolf and the alpine wolf.
Yea, I was thinking of the soldier runes after i invested a load of cash for the dolyak runes. I may just run with both signet of the wild and dolyak runes for extra healing since it would be such a waste to replace them! I think I am getting roughly 150 hps total per tick with the dolyak and sigil of the wild.

That 1-2 seconds without swiftness really bothers me!! I know, that’s why you have the+boon duration runes!

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

I guess if you spent money on them, I was under the impression it was an spvp build because that’s what you linked =p. Dolyak runes are good, but for future reference I would say that the 6th slot (regen) isn’t worth the price simply because it doesn’t heal that much. With your perma regen and SoW you have enough regen as it is, and when I run my BM version of this build, conditions are it’s bane.

Even without soldier runes it’s still a really solid build, but maybe if you ever got the money consider swapping the runes to reach the max potential.

blitzkrieg.2451:

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

You don’t play warrior very much do you? This build and any variation of it would absolutely demolish any shout heal warrior in spvp or wvw. This is not up for debate as I play both classes and both builds and laugh in the face of a warrior that challenges my BM regen ranger.

I would suggest a condi dmg rune set, undead or something to get some higher DoT ticks rolling, also the altruism sigils are kinda meh, energy or maybe geomancy would be more fitting methinks. Sic’ em in my personal opinion is highly overrated for its cooldown, I’d rather go for renewal, lightning reflexes or hell even protect me.

Take Signet of Renewal for more condi cleanse (full team clear) if you want it (lose signet of the hunt) Lose the fern hound and take the fear wolf ( WAY BETTER for team support). I would also suggest warhorn as off hand if you are always with your team for the blast finisher. If you want to 1 v 1 more efficiently I would take torch and would take off hand training over hide in plain sight. Also, if you use runes of the monk you can heal your allies for a lot more than you are getting for yourself with dolyak, or just take condi damage runes.

Does monk 6 affect you too?

Nm I think it doesn’t

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

You don’t play warrior very much do you? This build and any variation of it would absolutely demolish any shout heal warrior in spvp or wvw. This is not up for debate as I play both classes and both builds and laugh in the face of a warrior that challenges my BM regen ranger.

I play warrior quite a bit, and BM regen ranger is a selfish build. It’s meant only for 1on1s. I’m referring to team support which is what the OP was talking about. What team support do you provide as a BM regen ranger again? If you want to duel people, go to the dueling arena, BM has no place in tPvP anymore.

blitzkrieg.2451:

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

You don’t play warrior very much do you? This build and any variation of it would absolutely demolish any shout heal warrior in spvp or wvw. This is not up for debate as I play both classes and both builds and laugh in the face of a warrior that challenges my BM regen ranger.

I play warrior quite a bit, and BM regen ranger is a selfish build. It’s meant only for 1on1s. I’m referring to team support which is what the OP was talking about. What team support do you provide as a BM regen ranger again? If you want to duel people, go to the dueling arena, BM has no place in tPvP anymore.

You realize that every shout is AOE regen and swiftness, not just on yourself. And with the kind of healing power a BM regen ranger would use, it would heal more per shout than a shout heal warrior, just not an instant heal. BM regen rangers are meant to bunker down and hold either far or home point. It’s supposed to be a 1v1 or 1v2 build.

I’m going to use some of your logic. Staff ele clearly has the most support, therefore shout heal warriors are useless and/or selfish builds.

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

You don’t play warrior very much do you? This build and any variation of it would absolutely demolish any shout heal warrior in spvp or wvw. This is not up for debate as I play both classes and both builds and laugh in the face of a warrior that challenges my BM regen ranger.

I play warrior quite a bit, and BM regen ranger is a selfish build. It’s meant only for 1on1s. I’m referring to team support which is what the OP was talking about. What team support do you provide as a BM regen ranger again? If you want to duel people, go to the dueling arena, BM has no place in tPvP anymore.

You realize that every shout is AOE regen and swiftness, not just on yourself. And with the kind of healing power a BM regen ranger would use, it would heal more per shout than a shout heal warrior, just not an instant heal. BM regen rangers are meant to bunker down and hold either far or home point. It’s supposed to be a 1v1 or 1v2 build.

I’m going to use some of your logic. Staff ele clearly has the most support, therefore shout heal warriors are useless and/or selfish builds.

The regen given to you by the ranger doesn’t scale from the ranger’s healing power, it scales off yours, just so you know.

Also, you keep saying shouts… You don’t run shouts in a BM build. You said specifically that a BM build would kitten on a celestial warrior and I responded that BM builds are selfish and i was originally talking about team support (BM provides literally none). Then you responded as if I said shout ranger builds are selfish when they’re 2 completely opposite builds.

BM build is as selfish as a ranger build can get , it’s literally only geared for 1on1 battles so it being a backpoint MAY be optional , but you’d rather want to run spirits for the optional team support in the event you need to swap off to mid.

So what are you trying to say all together? I just asked a question about running celestial warrior with shouts as it handles team support better than a ranger shout build (you dont need swiftness on a point, which is what you would be doing and regen doesn’t save you that much from focus burst which happens alot in top tier teams). So you provide regen and swiftness and condi dmg and cc from pets. All of which can be maintained by a warrior with more tank, heals and a res banner (shout builds don’t have spirit elite unless you traited for just the 70% spirits / unbound), since you would need 10 in BM as well you would have little to no vigor generation compared to that of a 0 2 6 6 0 spirit build meaning less dodges aka less sustain which is where the ranger’s power comes from , evasion and vigor uptime not settler’s amulet (which is why you can get by with running carrion amulet and have far more condition dmg pressure without the healing power fluff).

All in all, you really just make no sense.

blitzkrieg.2451:

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Why not just roll a celestial shout heal warrior? More hps, more support, much more aoe heal, more dps, more tank, res banner, more support overall.

You don’t play warrior very much do you? This build and any variation of it would absolutely demolish any shout heal warrior in spvp or wvw. This is not up for debate as I play both classes and both builds and laugh in the face of a warrior that challenges my BM regen ranger.

I play warrior quite a bit, and BM regen ranger is a selfish build. It’s meant only for 1on1s. I’m referring to team support which is what the OP was talking about. What team support do you provide as a BM regen ranger again? If you want to duel people, go to the dueling arena, BM has no place in tPvP anymore.

You realize that every shout is AOE regen and swiftness, not just on yourself. And with the kind of healing power a BM regen ranger would use, it would heal more per shout than a shout heal warrior, just not an instant heal. BM regen rangers are meant to bunker down and hold either far or home point. It’s supposed to be a 1v1 or 1v2 build.

I’m going to use some of your logic. Staff ele clearly has the most support, therefore shout heal warriors are useless and/or selfish builds.

The regen given to you by the ranger doesn’t scale from the ranger’s healing power, it scales off yours, just so you know.

Also, you keep saying shouts… You don’t run shouts in a BM build. You said specifically that a BM build would kitten on a celestial warrior and I responded that BM builds are selfish and i was originally talking about team support (BM provides literally none). Then you responded as if I said shout ranger builds are selfish when they’re 2 completely opposite builds.

BM build is as selfish as a ranger build can get , it’s literally only geared for 1on1 battles so it being a backpoint MAY be optional , but you’d rather want to run spirits for the optional team support in the event you need to swap off to mid.

So what are you trying to say all together? I just asked a question about running celestial warrior with shouts as it handles team support better than a ranger shout build (you dont need swiftness on a point, which is what you would be doing and regen doesn’t save you that much from focus burst which happens alot in top tier teams). So you provide regen and swiftness and condi dmg and cc from pets. All of which can be maintained by a warrior with more tank, heals and a res banner (shout builds don’t have spirit elite unless you traited for just the 70% spirits / unbound), since you would need 10 in BM as well you would have little to no vigor generation compared to that of a 0 2 6 6 0 spirit build meaning less dodges aka less sustain which is where the ranger’s power comes from , evasion and vigor uptime not settler’s amulet (which is why you can get by with running carrion amulet and have far more condition dmg pressure without the healing power fluff).

All in all, you really just make no sense.

You said a BM regen build. The regen involves the shouts. Are we starting to forget what we type now? Also you should really look into how boons work if you think that the healing power of the target over-rides that of the source.

Here, because you are under the delusion you actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to rangers, I’ll link you a build. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YnEqQvgWxCOsAXLGQToaFAvnhPNidPBHwDXwkD-TJxHwAOLDM4hAA4KAgZ/BA

That is a BM regen ranger. Please get yourself properly affiliated before you reply, because you currently don’t seem to know much about the class, or the build. Sword/dagger itself provides more than enough dodges if you time each right. SB has a dodge as well. And even if I somehow don’t have any dodges at one point, with 3.1k armour and perma regen, I can take a couple hits. A BM build doesn’t require you to have an excessive amount of condi pressure, especially if you have to sacrifice any defense to do it. The whole point is to bunker down and let your pet to most of the work. All you do is kite and some condi damage as well.

Considering I would run Sword/dagger, I would have a perma poison up time, this would seriously hurt your warrior’s healing signet. Not only that, but I would love to see a shout heal warrior do anything remotely considered “spike damage” which is indeed one of the few things that will kill this build. This build is anti-power, and will literally laugh in the face of a warrior, as do most ranger builds.

A shout regen ranger and a BM bunker ranger can be two separate builds but they can also be brought together resulting is quite a lethal combination. My favorite part of that build, is the longer the fight goes on, the less chance of beating the ranger you have.

^how about cleanses? For BM ranger I mean.

You said a BM regen build. The regen involves the shouts. Are we starting to forget what we type now? Also you should really look into how boons work if you think that the healing power of the target over-rides that of the source.

Here, because you are under the delusion you actually know what you’re talking about when it comes to rangers, I’ll link you a build. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YnEqQvgWxCOsAXLGQToaFAvnhPNidPBHwDXwkD-TJxHwAOLDM4hAA4KAgZ/BA

That is a BM regen ranger. Please get yourself properly affiliated before you reply, because you currently don’t seem to know much about the class, or the build. Sword/dagger itself provides more than enough dodges if you time each right. SB has a dodge as well. And even if I somehow don’t have any dodges at one point, with 3.1k armour and perma regen, I can take a couple hits. A BM build doesn’t require you to have an excessive amount of condi pressure, especially if you have to sacrifice any defense to do it. The whole point is to bunker down and let your pet to most of the work. All you do is kite and some condi damage as well.

Considering I would run Sword/dagger, I would have a perma poison up time, this would seriously hurt your warrior’s healing signet. Not only that, but I would love to see a shout heal warrior do anything remotely considered “spike damage” which is indeed one of the few things that will kill this build. This build is anti-power, and will literally laugh in the face of a warrior, as do most ranger builds.

A shout regen ranger and a BM bunker ranger can be two separate builds but they can also be brought together resulting is quite a lethal combination. My favorite part of that build, is the longer the fight goes on, the less chance of beating the ranger you have.

thats a bit overkill on the regen, you dont need that much. All it does is stack in duration, guard has a 12 second cool down and you have 21s of regen on it on top of all your other regen its a waste. Something like this is more efficient
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8fnUqQrgWwCWsAVLG4QoaXCXwIwKAeXsHbzexHlIB-TpRAwAsLDA4CAo4BA05IA45gAYb/BA

or if you want to go a bit more defensive
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAV8YjEq0vaBLWsw1aAMhqdBssBw7cIVXVXXwFfkgE-TZRDwAgLDE5IAA4CAI5hAoa/BA
the reason this is more effective is because you get ~450hp/s of passive regen 495 if you get 25 stacks of life compared to yours where you get ~380hp/s

warrior jd posted a good build, just change dwayna runes to remove the overstacking regens. The shout regen is more than enough.

warrior puts down one banner with regen trait and give all allies in its huge radius perma regen.

Engineer puts down healing turret, everyone gets perma regen plus the occasional blast finisher in waterfield.

Elementalist just runs around swapping atunements, everyone gets perma regen.

Why would this regen be any different?

StickerHappy.8052:

^how about cleanses? For BM ranger I mean.

I put dwayna runes up because that’s just my personal preference ( I had a couple duels with a freind where I needed to have higher healing power so it kinda just stuck with me) however, if you ever fight conditions swapping out SoW for Sic em and then using soldier runes is a nice way to remove conditions.

If push comes to shove you can also switch to healing spring and if really necessary go for spirit of nature. I fought a condi engi who was at the time undefeated in my guild, and I had to use spirit and soldier runes + two shouts to take him down, but it did work. And if you’re going to be defending a point you don’t really need spirits unbound for spirit of nature to be useful because you can’t move out of the circle anyway. Generally though, I find soldier runes w/ sic em, and guard + healing spring, enough condi cleanse for most cases.

Do you really think a build with no empathic bond will slide in top tier tpvp? Honestly man, you have really highlighted how much non-experience you have when it comes to high tier play it’s unbelievable. You will be able to solo absolutely nothing, and since you need to run nature’s voice you can’t even use survival of the fittest. You literally have condi removal on a 30 second cooldown, at the expense of what? Swiftness and regen. Swiftness you don’t even need since you’ll usually be on points defending anyway. You have 743 condition dmg, you provide literally no condition pressure at all. You’re just a sitting tank with no condi removal and provide regen, something other classes can do much better at and provide much much more. You would be nothing but a complete liability against top teams. The build is terrible and you really show that you’ve never played in top tier tpvp.

Sorry, but that build would get wrecked by good players, including warriors.

blitzkrieg.2451:

Do you really think a build with no empathic bond will slide in top tier tpvp? Honestly man, you have really highlighted how much non-experience you have when it comes to high tier play it’s unbelievable. You will be able to solo absolutely nothing, and since you need to run nature’s voice you can’t even use survival of the fittest. You literally have condi removal on a 30 second cooldown, at the expense of what? Swiftness and regen. Swiftness you don’t even need since you’ll usually be on points defending anyway. You have 743 condition dmg, you provide literally no condition pressure at all. You’re just a sitting tank with no condi removal and provide regen, something other classes can do much better at and provide much much more. You would be nothing but a complete liability against top teams. The build is terrible and you really show that you’ve never played in top tier tpvp.

Sorry, but that build would get wrecked by good players, including warriors.

Condi removal on a 30 second CD? Thats strange, last I checked guard was 12 seconds. And if you run soldier runes, you take sic em for extra condi removal, and if you really really need it, healing spring. Empathic bond is over rated anyway. 3 condi/10 seconds will simply delay a death if you are fighting a heavy condi pressure build. The swiftness is a bonus, the main reason you take natures voice is the regen.

You don’t seem to understand how bunkering a point works either. I suppose I should go full glass with no sustain when I try and bunker? Again the condi pressure I provide is a bonus, I keep them poisoned to weaken their heals WHILE MY PET DOES THE MOST DAMAGE I’m really starting to think you can’t comprehend what the term Beastmaster means. It’s a bunker build to guard home or far point, there’s not much to it really.

You stay alive while the pet does the damage. You provide some poisons and bleeds as a bonus and to limit their heals. I have yet to see a power build take me out when I’m running this without me making an error. I have yet to see a warrior come even close to taking me out when I run this. So please to back to your super duper elite tpvp team, and stop pretending you know an ounce about rangers.

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Do you really think a build with no empathic bond will slide in top tier tpvp? Honestly man, you have really highlighted how much non-experience you have when it comes to high tier play it’s unbelievable. You will be able to solo absolutely nothing, and since you need to run nature’s voice you can’t even use survival of the fittest. You literally have condi removal on a 30 second cooldown, at the expense of what? Swiftness and regen. Swiftness you don’t even need since you’ll usually be on points defending anyway. You have 743 condition dmg, you provide literally no condition pressure at all. You’re just a sitting tank with no condi removal and provide regen, something other classes can do much better at and provide much much more. You would be nothing but a complete liability against top teams. The build is terrible and you really show that you’ve never played in top tier tpvp.

Sorry, but that build would get wrecked by good players, including warriors.

Condi removal on a 30 second CD? Thats strange, last I checked guard was 12 seconds. And if you run soldier runes, you take sic em for extra condi removal, and if you really really need it, healing spring. Empathic bond is over rated anyway. 3 condi/10 seconds will simply delay a death if you are fighting a heavy condi pressure build. The swiftness is a bonus, the main reason you take natures voice is the regen.

You don’t seem to understand how bunkering a point works either. I suppose I should go full glass with no sustain when I try and bunker? Again the condi pressure I provide is a bonus, I keep them poisoned to weaken their heals WHILE MY PET DOES THE MOST DAMAGE I’m really starting to think you can’t comprehend what the term Beastmaster means. It’s a bunker build to guard home or far point, there’s not much to it really.

You stay alive while the pet does the damage. You provide some poisons and bleeds as a bonus and to limit their heals. I have yet to see a power build take me out when I’m running this without me making an error. I have yet to see a warrior come even close to taking me out when I run this. So please to back to your super duper elite tpvp team, and stop pretending you know an ounce about rangers.

It’s quite clear you don’t play against good warriors, hence my point about you being no where close to top tier tpvp level. When you play against good players and run that build, lemme know how you do. Until then, keep trolling in hotjoins because that’s about where that build will only work.

Just so you know also, your shouts don’t remove conditions unless you run the runes, which you don’t – you run dwayna (completely useless and may have worked a year ago when BM was actually good). So yes, you have healing spring which would be your only condi removal with that build unless you were to run Evasive Purity which gives you some poison clear in the middle of that heal. Again, you type as if you have a supreme understanding of ranger but alot of what you say is just bullkitten. Also, if you run 30 in BM the dmg is minimal in terms of difference between 0 in BM and 30 in BM, like not even a noticeable difference in team fights – back when BM was actually good you’d run bird pets and get insane crits (and you also would never be in a team fight hence the selfish-ness, you would be backpoint), but it doesn’t work like that anymore. You run CC pets in team fights man, not cat pets (they have little to no hp anyway and are squishy), the CC is much more important in team fights than the dmg output from your cats. Rangers in their current state kind of just get outclassed atm. I’d put them at middle to bottom tier in terms of class usefullness in top tier tpvp now. Many more classes can fill their roles better and provide much more to team.

blitzkrieg.2451:

warriorjrd.8695:

blitzkrieg.2451:

Condi removal on a 30 second CD? Thats strange, last I checked guard was 12 seconds. And if you run soldier runes, you take sic em for extra condi removal, and if you really really need it, healing spring. Empathic bond is over rated anyway. 3 condi/10 seconds will simply delay a death if you are fighting a heavy condi pressure build. The swiftness is a bonus, the main reason you take natures voice is the regen.

You don’t seem to understand how bunkering a point works either. I suppose I should go full glass with no sustain when I try and bunker? Again the condi pressure I provide is a bonus, I keep them poisoned to weaken their heals WHILE MY PET DOES THE MOST DAMAGE I’m really starting to think you can’t comprehend what the term Beastmaster means. It’s a bunker build to guard home or far point, there’s not much to it really.

You stay alive while the pet does the damage. You provide some poisons and bleeds as a bonus and to limit their heals. I have yet to see a power build take me out when I’m running this without me making an error. I have yet to see a warrior come even close to taking me out when I run this. So please to back to your super duper elite tpvp team, and stop pretending you know an ounce about rangers.

It’s quite clear you don’t play against good warriors, hence my point about you being no where close to top tier tpvp level. When you play against good players and run that build, lemme know how you do. Until then, keep trolling in hotjoins because that’s about where that build will only work.

Just so you know also, your shouts don’t remove conditions unless you run the runes, which you don’t – you run dwayna (completely useless and may have worked a year ago when BM was actually good). So yes, you have healing spring which would be your only condi removal with that build unless you were to run Evasive Purity which gives you some poison clear in the middle of that heal. Again, you type as if you have a supreme understanding of ranger but alot of what you say is just bullkitten. Also, if you run 30 in BM the dmg is minimal in terms of difference between 0 in BM and 30 in BM, like not even a noticeable difference in team fights – back when BM was actually good you’d run bird pets and get insane crits (and you also would never be in a team fight hence the selfish-ness, you would be backpoint), but it doesn’t work like that anymore. You run CC pets in team fights man, not cat pets (they have little to no hp anyway and are squishy), the CC is much more important in team fights than the dmg output from your cats. Rangers in their current state kind of just get outclassed atm. I’d put them at middle to bottom tier in terms of class usefullness in top tier tpvp now. Many more classes can fill their roles better and provide much more to team.

It’s funny you should say that rangers get outclassed by most other classes when many of these “top tier tpvp” teams you speak of actually use rangers. 0-30 in BM makes a massive difference, going from 2×500 with a bird to 2x 2.3k crits with the same bird. Depending on what you face you can swap out your runes a bit. When I do spvp or tpvp I generally run soldier just in case I run into conditions. But if you know you are going to face power type builds, you don’t need to soldier and go something more healing power specced. Now i’m no ultimate tpvper like yourself, but when I do do tpvp, this build works fine for bunkering far or home point. I don’t know why you think that it’s impossible for a ranger to bunker a point. The only thing to ever push me off a home point was a massive condi spamming engi, but then again, what would really be able to hold it’s own against a full out condi engi?

The build isn’t number 1, but it does fine at what it’s suppoed to do, which is bunkering a point. Beleive me I’ve faced some very good warriors, but they simply can’t kill this build or even come close to doing it without running a condition build. This build’s main weakness is conditions, which atm are pretty broken, and is every classes weakness.

If I’m typing like I have a supreme understanding of ranger, it’s probably because I do. Ranger has been my main since beta and under powered or not, I still kick kitten with it.

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Condi removal on a 30 second CD? Thats strange, last I checked guard was 12 seconds. And if you run soldier runes, you take sic em for extra condi removal, and if you really really need it, healing spring. Empathic bond is over rated anyway. 3 condi/10 seconds will simply delay a death if you are fighting a heavy condi pressure build. The swiftness is a bonus, the main reason you take natures voice is the regen.

You don’t seem to understand how bunkering a point works either. I suppose I should go full glass with no sustain when I try and bunker? Again the condi pressure I provide is a bonus, I keep them poisoned to weaken their heals WHILE MY PET DOES THE MOST DAMAGE I’m really starting to think you can’t comprehend what the term Beastmaster means. It’s a bunker build to guard home or far point, there’s not much to it really.

You stay alive while the pet does the damage. You provide some poisons and bleeds as a bonus and to limit their heals. I have yet to see a power build take me out when I’m running this without me making an error. I have yet to see a warrior come even close to taking me out when I run this. So please to back to your super duper elite tpvp team, and stop pretending you know an ounce about rangers.

It’s quite clear you don’t play against good warriors, hence my point about you being no where close to top tier tpvp level. When you play against good players and run that build, lemme know how you do. Until then, keep trolling in hotjoins because that’s about where that build will only work.

Just so you know also, your shouts don’t remove conditions unless you run the runes, which you don’t – you run dwayna (completely useless and may have worked a year ago when BM was actually good). So yes, you have healing spring which would be your only condi removal with that build unless you were to run Evasive Purity which gives you some poison clear in the middle of that heal. Again, you type as if you have a supreme understanding of ranger but alot of what you say is just bullkitten. Also, if you run 30 in BM the dmg is minimal in terms of difference between 0 in BM and 30 in BM, like not even a noticeable difference in team fights – back when BM was actually good you’d run bird pets and get insane crits (and you also would never be in a team fight hence the selfish-ness, you would be backpoint), but it doesn’t work like that anymore. You run CC pets in team fights man, not cat pets (they have little to no hp anyway and are squishy), the CC is much more important in team fights than the dmg output from your cats. Rangers in their current state kind of just get outclassed atm. I’d put them at middle to bottom tier in terms of class usefullness in top tier tpvp now. Many more classes can fill their roles better and provide much more to team.

It’s funny you should say that rangers get outclassed by most other classes when many of these “top tier tpvp” teams you speak of actually use rangers. 0-30 in BM makes a massive difference, going from 2×500 with a bird to 2x 2.3k crits with the same bird. Depending on what you face you can swap out your runes a bit. When I do spvp or tpvp I generally run soldier just in case I run into conditions. But if you know you are going to face power type builds, you don’t need to soldier and go something more healing power specced. Now i’m no ultimate tpvper like yourself, but when I do do tpvp, this build works fine for bunkering far or home point. I don’t know why you think that it’s impossible for a ranger to bunker a point. The only thing to ever push me off a home point was a massive condi spamming engi, but then again, what would really be able to hold it’s own against a full out condi engi?

The build isn’t number 1, but it does fine at what it’s suppoed to do, which is bunkering a point. Beleive me I’ve faced some very good warriors, but they simply can’t kill this build or even come close to doing it without running a condition build. This build’s main weakness is conditions, which atm are pretty broken, and is every classes weakness.

If I’m typing like I have a supreme understanding of ranger, it’s probably because I do. Ranger has been my main since beta and under powered or not, I still kick kitten with it.

Yes apex uses a ranger, but it’s a spirit ranger. Theyy would never even think of putting your build into that comp nor would any top team on that level. Also, for their comp setup having a spirit ranger works – again, a spirit ranger. Your BM build has no role in this game’s meta currently. Too many classes outclass BM and too many classes can simply hard counter BM (thieves specifically), which is what I’m saying. Sorry, you can keep trying to defend it all you want, but actions by top teams speak louder than the words you’re typing on a forum board.

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It’s quite clear you don’t play against good warriors, hence my point about you being no where close to top tier tpvp level. When you play against good players and run that build, lemme know how you do. Until then, keep trolling in hotjoins because that’s about where that build will only work.

Just so you know also, your shouts don’t remove conditions unless you run the runes, which you don’t – you run dwayna (completely useless and may have worked a year ago when BM was actually good). So yes, you have healing spring which would be your only condi removal with that build unless you were to run Evasive Purity which gives you some poison clear in the middle of that heal. Again, you type as if you have a supreme understanding of ranger but alot of what you say is just bullkitten. Also, if you run 30 in BM the dmg is minimal in terms of difference between 0 in BM and 30 in BM, like not even a noticeable difference in team fights – back when BM was actually good you’d run bird pets and get insane crits (and you also would never be in a team fight hence the selfish-ness, you would be backpoint), but it doesn’t work like that anymore. You run CC pets in team fights man, not cat pets (they have little to no hp anyway and are squishy), the CC is much more important in team fights than the dmg output from your cats. Rangers in their current state kind of just get outclassed atm. I’d put them at middle to bottom tier in terms of class usefullness in top tier tpvp now. Many more classes can fill their roles better and provide much more to team.

It’s funny you should say that rangers get outclassed by most other classes when many of these “top tier tpvp” teams you speak of actually use rangers. 0-30 in BM makes a massive difference, going from 2×500 with a bird to 2x 2.3k crits with the same bird. Depending on what you face you can swap out your runes a bit. When I do spvp or tpvp I generally run soldier just in case I run into conditions. But if you know you are going to face power type builds, you don’t need to soldier and go something more healing power specced. Now i’m no ultimate tpvper like yourself, but when I do do tpvp, this build works fine for bunkering far or home point. I don’t know why you think that it’s impossible for a ranger to bunker a point. The only thing to ever push me off a home point was a massive condi spamming engi, but then again, what would really be able to hold it’s own against a full out condi engi?

The build isn’t number 1, but it does fine at what it’s suppoed to do, which is bunkering a point. Beleive me I’ve faced some very good warriors, but they simply can’t kill this build or even come close to doing it without running a condition build. This build’s main weakness is conditions, which atm are pretty broken, and is every classes weakness.

If I’m typing like I have a supreme understanding of ranger, it’s probably because I do. Ranger has been my main since beta and under powered or not, I still kick kitten with it.

Yes apex uses a ranger, but it’s a spirit ranger. Theyy would never even think of putting your build into that comp nor would any top team on that level. Also, for their comp setup having a spirit ranger works – again, a spirit ranger. Your BM build has no role in this game’s meta currently. Too many classes outclass BM and too many classes can simply hard counter BM (thieves specifically), which is what I’m saying. Sorry, you can keep trying to defend it all you want, but actions by top teams speak louder than the words you’re typing on a forum board.

Ok well because your elite teams don’t use a BM ranger, therefore it sucks. I guess I will never be able to talk sense to you because if they don’t use it, it simply can’t be good. Hell I could probably even show you in game it’s effectiveness and you would still probably blindly ignore it. I can tell you that I find thieves very easy to beat, but of course I’m only facing the kitten ones. I could tell you how many tpvp matches I’ve won while using this build, but again I’m probably facing completely terrible teams aren’t I? In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the only way this build is effective is if I’m facing terrible opponents right? Wow, such a logical argument. If it’s effective, it’s not because your opponents were incompetent.