Simple DPS Tests for Ranger

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Posted by: Arashiookami.2896

Arashiookami.2896

Sooooo lately I’ve been kind of curious about how much dps I do and which build might be better. I ran some basic dps tests involving a few different pets/builds/weapons. I tested it in the mists area using 3 tests and my phones stop watch app (obviously more tests would get a more accurate reading but what I have already took a good chunk of my time). I first tested Runes of the Ranger vs Rune of the Scholar, both weapons were LB and Axe/Horn and the difference between BM and a bow / crit. I even decided to test the Arcdus which has the only straight damage F2 ability of the bears. Here are my findings:

BM 15/0/25/0/30
Advantages: 20% extra dmg with health/stam full (taking the 10% dmg trait in Marks), Pets don’t die as fast.

Rune of the Ranger:

Starting with axe/horn switching to LB then switching back with Quickening Zephyr, Sic ’em, and Rampage as One. Using Jaguar.

Test 1 : 6.7 seconds
Test 2: 6.6 seconds
Test 3: 8 seconds

Without the “burst” slot skills (QZ, Sic’em and RaO)

T1: 14 seconds
T2: 13 seconds
T3: 14 seconds

Sword/Horn with QZ, Sic’Em, RaO using Jaguar

T1: 6.9 seconds
T2: 6.7 seconds
T3: 6.7 seconds

Without

T1: 12 seconds
T2: 11 seconds
T3: 11 seconds

Disclaimer: In longer fights the sword/horn will win since theres a 6 second cd left when I switch back to Axe/Horn.

Rune of the Scholar

Axe/Horn and LB with burst using Jaguar

T1: 6.7 seconds
T2: 7.3 seconds
T3: 6.7 seconds

Without:

T1: 13 seconds
T2: 12 seconds
T3: 12 seconds

Sword/Horn with burst using Jaguar:

T1: 7.34 seconds
T2: 6.19 seconds
T3: 6.2 seconds

Without burst:

T1: 10 seconds
T2: 9 seconds
T3: 9 seconds

Build 25/20/25/0/0
(non BM spec ranged only since we’ve already established sword/horn does more damage)
Advantages: 20% damage with health/stam full, more crit/power.

Rune of the Scholar (does slightly more dps and you don’t have to worry about an active pet)

Tested with LB using QZ, Sic’Em, RaO and Jaguar

T1: 8 seconds
T2: 7 seconds
T3: 8 seconds

Without Burst:

T1: 12 secs
T2: 11 seconds
T3: 10 seconds

Shortbow with burst using Jaguar:

T1: 7 seconds
T2: 8 seconds
T3: 8 seconds

Without:

T1: 11 seconds
T2: 11 seconds
T3: 13 seconds

Okay now I did stuff with pets only (no skills from me):

Jaguar BM (doesn’t matter if you use stealth or not the time was still the same if not a second less due to cast time and repositioning)

T1: 25 seconds
T2: 25 seconds
T3: 24 seconds

Non BM:

T1: 35 seconds
T2: 32 seconds
T3: 35 seconds

Jungle Stalker BM without F2:

T1: 24 seconds
T2: 25 seconds
T3: 23 seconds

With F2(cast time makes it lose dps):

T1: 26 seconds
T2: 27 seconds
T3: 27 seconds

Linx BM with F2:

T1: 24 seconds
T2: 21 seconds
T3: 23 seconds

Arctodus Non BM with F2:

T1: 14 seconds
T2: 13 seconds
T3: 15 seconds

Drake (more tanky imo less annoying to everyone else) Non BM with F2:

T1: 13 seconds
T2: 11 seconds
T3: 12 seconds

*Disclaimer: Due to buggy pet AI (especially with Lynx) you’ll have a hard time hitting the F2 ability on a moving target

Hawk BM with F2:

T1: 26 seconds
T2: 30 seconds
T3: 28 seconds

*Disclaimer: The birds INSIST on using Quickening Screech which is stupid and the cast time makes them lose dps, without this ability the birds could be the best dps with their base damage and short F2 ability time.

My DPS (with the first build: 15/0/25/0/30)

Sword/horn and without burst

T1: 15 seconds
T2: 15 seconds
T3: 16 seconds

In closing: I believe that BM would in theory be more dps since the pets have 300 more attributes then a non BM build the BM pets would be more likely to survive longer then any other build. As you can see with the basic dps runs the pets do a good chunk of dps regardless of which build you’re running. In the Jaguar’s case the only difference between the two dps builds is 10 seconds. In a real fight the BM jaguar would survive longer with its better health/toughness. Also, since most rangers I see run bear shudder I would be doing more dps with them even at range if I used a cat, bird or even drake (but only slightly unless there is multiple targets to hit).

I’d be interested to hear other people’s thoughts to these findings. I was pretty surprised myself with a few of these tests (ie I assumed SB dps wasn’t comparable to LB dps).

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

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Hi,

I’m playing a BM build since 1 year and some month and… well I think you could choose a build that enhance more your pet for your test. You loose tons of damage for your pet with your BM build. (well that’s not a real issue)

I also think that some player will complain about your non BM build (that’s also not an Isuue )

For pets :

You are right cats are actually our best tools for dps. But to be honest Drakes shine more then cats for dungeon or simply PvE because they’ve got a fairly good dps, cleave (just for that they would be the best), pretty good F2, a blast and they always feel tankier then bears.
Birds are totally crippled by there Quickening screech as you have seen.

Now, you missed some pretty good information to :

Devourers have the best synergy with “rampage as one” wich would be one of our best burst tools. And they also do pretty good damage because they hit two time. Even if it’s not great numbers, this ain’t negligible. They are also the best in term of toughness that make them really sturdy. Their only default is that they tend to steal aggro. (In my opinion the best of them would be “carion devourer” because of their F2 ability).

No core profession should be balanced around an optional elite specialization.

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Posted by: Arashiookami.2896

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Yay a response!

Regarding builds: I had considered doing 30/30/10/0/0 or something similar but with the zerker and ferocity nerf that will happen soon I figured I’d get some straight damage builds. The points in wilderness survival was for the shortened longbow CD (I assumed this would be a trait that LB rangers get). When I have some time I can go back and try the 30/30/10/0/0 see if I get better dps.

As for the BM spec, I might lose dps with it but my tests show that I didn’t as long as I keep switching between weapons for range. The other advantage from running a similar BM spec is that my drakes tank extremely well in dungeons when needed (you have no idea how easy this makes the Molten fight in fractals) with a few swaps of slotted traits to signets.

I didn’t bother with the devourer because I KNOW they’re good ranged dps =) Its my second pet choice that I switch to (Drake/Jag being the first ).

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Posted by: TurtleDragon.3108

TurtleDragon.3108

Mist golem tests aren’t good tests.

Modifiers are multiplicative, not additive (ie. 1.1 * 1.1 instead of 10% + 10%)

As for LB vs. SB. LB has better burst and is a better team weapon, but the sustained damage is awful at less than 1000 range. Both bows are awful compared to sword/GS.

Jungle Stalker for single target with Drake on swap for trash is what I find the most practical for PvE. Pet survivability is rarely an issue.

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Posted by: Arashiookami.2896

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I agree, test golems aren’t really good tests for dps nor is using a stop watch really because theres always going to be a delay when I start and stop. I would love to have a dps meter so I can compare my dps to other classes, but that is probably never going to happen. I can also understand why we don’t have dps meters since its supposed to be a “play how you want” game yet we constantly have updates that is a dps race (Wurm, Tequatl, time limit on world bosses).

As for PvE I agree that pet survivability is rarely an issue (at least in my case), but I’ve seen many many many rangers with poor pet management, or just opt for a brown bear cuz its more tanky.

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Posted by: thomasgjkgwdn.4760

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Pet survivability is rarely an issue.

As for PvE I agree that pet survivability is rarely an issue (at least in my case), but I’ve seen many many many rangers with poor pet management

curious: when is it an issue, and what “management” do you use when the boss is able to nuke your pet?

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Posted by: TurtleDragon.3108

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Pet survivability is rarely an issue.

As for PvE I agree that pet survivability is rarely an issue (at least in my case), but I’ve seen many many many rangers with poor pet management

curious: when is it an issue, and what “management” do you use when the boss is able to nuke your pet?

I haven’t played ranger (or GW2 recently) in a few weeks, so these are just examples off the top of my head.

Tazza: (SE P1). I think felines can live through 1 or 2 mind stabs, but if they’re concentrated (ie. 5) in melee range then it might one shot your pet. Your pet swaps need to be fairly accurate to keep it alive through a low dps group. I don’t remember if the CD on mind stab is shorter than the CD of untraited pet swap.

Lupicus: Yeah I don’t know. I’ve never actually done this on my ranger in a guild or organized settings. (Reason being that I hate playing Ranger in Arah and play war/guard/engi there instead). This guy does kill pets a lot in a pug environment.

Ooze (Arah p1): I don’t know any tricks for this either, but it kills both your pets while you safe spot it.

Molten Duo (Boss Fractal): You can’t really do much if the berserker gets off more than 2 shockwaves in a fight.

Mai Trin: I dunno if you can actually keep it alive during the cannon phase, I just leave it dead and rez it after the cannons are done

Jade Maw: lol, but it’s not an issue other than making the fight last longer

Pet management is mostly just pressing F3 or F4 at the right time. In a speed run environment, fights don’t last long enough for them to die.

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Posted by: thomasgjkgwdn.4760

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Pet management is mostly just pressing F3 or F4 at the right time. In a speed run environment, fights don’t last long enough for them to die.

yeah those buttons. the “dodge” buttons, hehe.

i’ve been going back and forth between pet types for a while, but drakes just seem better off… lots of bosses have too heavy attacks for the cats to work properly (even in efficiency runs).

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Posted by: Arashiookami.2896

Arashiookami.2896

Pet survivability is rarely an issue.

As for PvE I agree that pet survivability is rarely an issue (at least in my case), but I’ve seen many many many rangers with poor pet management

curious: when is it an issue, and what “management” do you use when the boss is able to nuke your pet?

Depends on the fight. I mostly use drakes because they aoe a lot of crap, do a decent amount of damage and are super awesome tanks especially for higher level fractals (30+). I find it makes it a lot easier on the group if you have a npc tanking the boss instead of a player and if I switch them out before they get low its 15 seconds for a perma tank.

In other pve dungeons where we have a good group comp or if its an easy dungeon like CoF p1 I use linx/jaguar/devourer .

I’ve also used other pets for other situations for example, spiders I use for shaman fractal, canines for spvp, moas on rare occasions for a little extra healing or extra buff, pigs for soloing Arah, etc.