Guild Wars 2

Something seems wrong with Toughness. I have ~2400 armor, which I don’t consider glass…and I’m still getting hit for 7k rushes by Warriors, and 4-6k Heartseeker’s by Thieves.

So…how much toughness should I shoot for not to get 2 shot?

2400 is still pretty glass really, 2600+ would be considered the threshold for non-glass imo. Not that it is a huge difference, but…

It’s not that toughness is broken. It’s that just about every class dishes out significantly more damage than they could prepatch.

Indoles.1467:

It’s not that toughness is broken. It’s that just about every class dishes out significantly more damage than they could prepatch.

^This. I’m still taking insane bursts at 3k armor.

its hard to fight right now , too many Bugs.. aim for 2600-2800 toughness , 2-3 Cav gear will fix that.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

its hard to fight right now , too many Bugs.. aim for 2600-2800 toughness , 2-3 Cav gear will fix that.

If you aren’t going full zerk you need to make sure to add some vitality along with the toughness. Condi damage is insane right now, I had an ele stack 12 burning on me in a couple seconds last night.

Puck.9612:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

its hard to fight right now , too many Bugs.. aim for 2600-2800 toughness , 2-3 Cav gear will fix that.

If you aren’t going full zerk you need to make sure to add some vitality along with the toughness. Condi damage is insane right now, I had an ele stack 12 burning on me in a couple seconds last night.

This. warriors are hitting really hard right now, ele’s burning stacks hurt bad, mesmers shatter burst is also pretty rough. i’m running sentinels with SoS, SoR and EB, it gives 3.2k armor and 28k health and if i’m fighting more than 2v1 i get crushed pretty quickly.

I have 3k armor and got back stabbed for 10k last night. Yeah.

Toughness feels indeed a littel bit useless atm, but Protective Ward counters this “burst meta” pretty well. Especially when combined with Bark Skin it can lower the first burst by a significant amount.

Yesterday in WvW an enemy warrior asked me, how it is possible to hit for only 700 with eviscerate -“There is a 0 missing” ^^

IMO tuffness is useless in this meta right now. Getting instagibbed all over the place regardless of armor

Tried using 4k armor?
Probably not enough vitality for the condi though.

For me, I’m taking Vit over toughness (though I am also focusing on avoidance, rather than soaking the damage). Also, some of the zerker stat trinkets have vit, so there’s that.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Tried using 4k armor?
Probably not enough vitality for the condi though.

Haven’t tried stacking that much no, but I’m surmising that it would be great spiking and mitigation. Condi removal is weaker tho so I feel it would be easier to get kited w/double melee.

power engi one shot downed players with nades bug why is it not fixed yet??

Guardians are hitting for 90,000 in PvE. Not sure if you could pull that off in PvP, but definitely higher in WvW.

So many bonkers bugs to be fixed.

Well, good that I’m not going crazy. I’m tempted to just go YOLO in WvW. I have 2.4-2.6k floating toughness depending on gear and ~26k health, and it doesn’t help all that much.

Surprisingly we seem to be on par with elementalists (at least the ones I’ve fought). The fights are always good, and neither side has an instagib button. Necros and other rangers are along the same lines in terms of ‘fair fight’ for me.

But, War, Mes, Guard, Thief, and Engi? Nope.

Gotejjeken.1267:

But, War, Mes, Guard, Thief, and Engi? Nope.

Your observations are 100% accurate. Those are the classes with massive, massive bugs for the most part. And the rest are just questionably balanced ATM.

Gotejjeken.1267:

Something seems wrong with Toughness. I have ~2400 armor, which I don’t consider glass…and I’m still getting hit for 7k rushes by Warriors, and 4-6k Heartseeker’s by Thieves.

So…how much toughness should I shoot for not to get 2 shot?

3667 Armor, taking 5k heart seekers, 4k fireballs, 2.5k Long Range Shots, 4.5k Reckless Dodges… Toughness is broken, no point in using it. If you are a Low health class, you are screwed… A warrior can dodge roll 2x and basically do 80% of all but Necros HP. I reiterate… Something is terribly wrong with Toughness.

I can’t believe they patched CB/CotW within hours and engi nade bug still exists…

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I can’t believe they patched CB/CotW within hours and engi nade bug still exists…

I’d usually be the first to toot the “Anet just plum doesn’t like Rangers” horn but it’s pretty plausible that the grenade glitch is more complicated than adding a ‘3’ in front of a ‘0’ where the cool down timer for Clarion Bond is located.

Anet works slower than Valve sitting on the edge of an event horizon, but they seem like they will fix things that have easy, ‘no chance of other issues’ solutions.

toughness is totally broken i have 3k + you think i can take some hit but ea class burn you to kitten in a few hits thx to the many many con stacks some classes can do

and it seems signet of the wild is Nerf to even with a full cleric gear and so 2000 healing power it wont do more then so 150 health ea second -.-

old days can can do so 500 to 800 it wont scale anymore ??

Genlog.4983:

toughness is totally broken i have 3k + you think i can take some hit but ea class burn you to kitten in a few hits thx to the many many con stacks some classes can do

and it seems signet of the wild is Nerf to even with a full cleric gear and so 2000 healing power it wont do more then so 150 health ea second -.-

old days can can do so 500 to 800 it wont scale anymore ??

Are you talking about on the pet? Because it could never heal for that much on the Ranger, even on the pet, about 600 is near max. It scaled for 6% of Ranger healing power + 62 for the Ranger and 125 + 25% for the pet, which would make it do 625 on the pet and 182 on the ranger with 2k healing power. To heal the pet for 800, you would need 2700 healing power.

Can you test this please and post a bug report on both the forum and in-game if it is the case and it is bugged?

Well 2600 armor is what the heavy golem has in PvP Heart of the Mists…. So yeah.

Same for me, 3 k toughness on my sword/dagger weapons set and i almost feel squishy.
WvW looks out of control, they didn’t reworked foods and utilities, runes etc, they said they would remove WvW stacks but they kept it… Anet just mad half the job and this laziness is really frustrating.

Same for me. Toughness seems to do nothing now. Over 3K and drop like glass

It isn’t just toughness that is broke though – the patch in general should have not been released. Yet they have deadlines to meet with an expansion tied to it. So out with the patch with regards to longer term objectives not yet in the game.

If I was to wager I’d say they didn’t expect what they are seeing but it is too late. Ranger fix was probably easier to fix say compared to the Guardian issue. I can’t even think what they are trying to do with regards to Engineers, Mesmers, and Thieves.

Bottom line – people will flock to the class and/or traits that are not working as intended and abuse them which forces Arena Net to apply first aid.

EDIT: I play a Ranger and Guardian. Ranger runs with about 2700 armor in his trap/condition build and about 2300 in zerk/power. Guardian has about 3200 in his support / small party roaming. With regards to either of the setups armor does not matter. Reaction time first and foremost saves the day across both classes.

WvW play right now is just too fast and target assist wins in small skirmish. Zerg, forget it. It feels like you are hit with a two ton heavy thing

It’s confusing to me, since we all lost stats from the trait lines. It’s a special type of failure when people are hitting harder with less stats.

THIS is why they need a test server. Releasing stuff like this on the general public only leads to frustration. If they had a closed test server, guaranteed they would have heard about and patched all of this within the first day or so of testing.

Now, we just have to wait. Seeing how they nerfed mortar and Clarion Bond of all things, I really think we are going to be waiting a long, long time.

Gotejjeken.1267:

It’s confusing to me, since we all lost stats from the trait lines. It’s a special type of failure when people are hitting harder with less stats.

THIS is why they need a test server. Releasing stuff like this on the general public only leads to frustration. If they had a closed test server, guaranteed they would have heard about and patched all of this within the first day or so of testing.

Now, we just have to wait. Seeing how they nerfed mortar and Clarion Bond of all things, I really think we are going to be waiting a long, long time.

They don’t need a test server although it would be nice. This is just a personal opinion though because I feel it takes a little away from the ‘surprise’ or ‘wow’ factor for new content. However, I can see the value add by letting people who choose to play new content and combat ahead of time. I’d wager in hind sight of this patch / release they would have seen the train wreck before the engine left the station.

You can QA the software just like any other applications and we can still have bugs. People abuse or just think outside the testers mindset or test case. No harm, no foul. At the end of the day though it is Arena Nets or the publishers fault and usually lies in terms of environmental or infrastructure cost to include employees.

Then again this is all speculation and could very well be known by the developers based on what is today vs. that of what is tomorrow come expansion pack.

Edit: I should add that my only fear is what this could do to the player base. I know a few people who lost interest after the patch and are taking breaks. Is it because patch or just overall GW2 play time – hard to say. What they told me is that the format(s) they play, sPvP and WvW, the combat and balance is overboard and no longer playable. Is that only a few or handful, maybe. May not be a issue. But the longer it goes unchecked or addressed more could follow and that would be a bad thing overall. Only good thing is that there is nothing else out there that has similar play as WvW. That does change though next year sometime in 2016.

I’d settle for even WvW / PvP splits and a test server just for that. Leave the surprise factor for PvE (although they have ruined that long ago with Dulfy).

Just…anything really to aid in balancing. Like with toughness…I just got tagged with an 8k maul at 2.5k armor tonight. Granted, that’s not tanky toughness and maul does have a pretty good modifier…but still, on low health targets like thieves, that’s nearly a 1HKO.

I really want a test server most for the feedback though. Someone greenlit MDG for crying out loud. This tells me an outside perspective is needed, ESPECIALLY since they think its GM worthy. Whole other topic on that but…wow.

Huh, I haven’t been phased too much by the burst meta, in fact it’s very rare for me to be below 90% HP after the changes they made to Barkskin. I just run shouts on my ranger, in celestial with mercy runes. Between invigorating bond, my stupid low CD Heal as One, and prot + some condi cleanse on dodge roll I can survive quite nicely.

Durzlla.6295:

Huh, I haven’t been phased too much by the burst meta, in fact it’s very rare for me to be below 90% HP after the changes they made to Barkskin. I just run shouts on my ranger, in celestial with mercy runes. Between invigorating bond, my stupid low CD Heal as One, and prot + some condi cleanse on dodge roll I can survive quite nicely.

Have you stepped out into WvW?

For me personally in WvW, and granted it could just be the quality of opponents, but it’s been taking a small group of players to effectively gank me down between my Wilderness Survival and Protective Ward lines.

That being said, I don’t solo roam in WvW ever, I always have some sort of team I’m with.

I run with 2.5k toughness WITH Signet of Stone by the way, so, essentially near full glass, with LB and GS. Never died to a thief before patch, and haven’t really died to anything less that 3-5 people locking me down and attacking me. As a matter of humorous fact, thieves and mesmers that have been trying to burst me down die on me lol.

Yeah, Ranger in a group of 2-4 is money. Solo roaming is where it gets dangerous, and I cannot fathom a way to win a 2v1 now (before it was hard, but doable).

I runned with 3.3k in wvw.. i looked like paper :| wth dis just happened to the game?

stuff not fixed or theres nothing to fix so…

…im out.

P.S. no presecursors to offer (saddly, i would do that).