“Observe, learn and counter.”
So how bad ranger solo dps?
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QZ + SotP + SotW + LB5 + LB2 + Axe4 + Axe5 -> there is your burst.
@ everyone: Feel free to prove me wrong and provide some actual numbers of other classes’ solo dps/burst/whatever for a comparison. For now i only know about the test from qT, where they only used support focused druid builds with raid settings/full buffs.
Here are the test from qT that you decided they are support because you dont like the numbers although they are the highest DPS you can achieve with the Ranger/Druid, reason below…
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/
And the reasons is that this dude tested 43 ranger buids and the highest DPS is around 20k the same as qT test with the same build.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4g7y77/heres_a_dps_comparison_of_43_ranger_builds/
Now there is your proof. The only lower DPS class than ours is the mesmer, and that profession brings a lot of sustain with passive confusion, cleanses, the invis and clones.
So as you see you are sooooo wrong….
[sub]and please for the love of God, stop writing things so dumb as ranger is op, ranger the best, ranger master race you remind me to those theefs that used to come here to troll abut ranger RF OP[/sub]
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In fact, if DPS is all that matters in a group setting, condi engineer completely eclipses the other condi builds by a large margin.
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwRyaBw2TYThis “large margin” you’re talking about isn’t really there. It’s just that rangers can do better in raids than playing a selfish personal dps build…
You are so full of crap.
You cherry picked the video of the ranger benchmark with the unrealistic buffs and scenario, and compared it to the engineer’s realistic buff video instead of the similarly unrealistic one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/
31k engineer. Please, try a bit harder next time.
all this math and time dedicated to answering a question that could be answered extremely easily.
In a SOLO situation your DPS DOES NOT MATTER.
if you’re truly solo and getting no buffs from allies, i.e. soloing dungeons or personal story, then druid can excel due to it’s high survivability. you have to be able to remain alive in order to solo dungeons. the ele and thief builds that max out dps do so at the cost of survivability.
On the other hand if you’re really asking about a max dps build that can be used in almost all the other content then the condi druid is decent but not the best when compared to other classes. ele’s and thieves are the kings of power damage and necro is the king of condi. all other classes fall off from those three. when it comes to GROUP dps druid is the lowest but is brought for the buffs only they bring, Not DPS.
Condi engineer does more DPS single target than a condi necro by far, as does condi ranger.
Condi necro is a thing because of the amount of utility they bring by comparison. Condi necro manipulates condi cleanses for group well, corrupts boons on autoattack, and epidemic is among the strongest AoE tools next to Meteor Shower in the game.
Against a single target there’s no reason to bring a condi necro over a condi engineer, ever. Their DPS is middling if they can’t game Epidemics.
In fact, if DPS is all that matters in a group setting, condi engineer completely eclipses the other condi builds by a large margin.
You must not PvE much, condi engineer has one of the most complex and difficult to learn rotations. If that rotation is not done perfectly everytime DPS falls off quickly. Condi ranger is no where near as complex but if Quickdraw bonfires are not done correctly DPS falls off very quickly. Necro can kitten on a stick and get max condi dps through epedemic and using horrors to apply massive amounts of bleeding. Sure in perfectly optimal conditions condi engi outDPS’s all other condi classes but i’ve only seen a few people play engi that well.
There’s a real reason why condi engi stopped being in demand as much for raids
edit: I will also add that for Rangers to max out condi DPS we have to play a completely selfish build that does nothing for the team. There is very little content in this game that is meant to be played completely solo therefore playing a build that gimps your team is not desired. When you build a condi or power Druid you’re not putting out nearly as much personal dps but buffing the entire team.
What a dumb post.
Engineers are not brought because they don’t have any utility whatsoever to offer to a raid, and they no longer outDPS tempests and daredevils. It’s that simple.
If you don’t bring raid buffs, and you don’t do the DPS of the classes with no raid buffs (tempests and daredevils), then you don’t have a guaranteed raid spot. Sort of like a guardian.
Incompetence at playing a class is no excuse for not using it. This game is not hard as you suggest. Raids are cleared the very day they come out. The PvE in this game is EASY.
Is engineer harder to play? Sure. But it can and WILL be played optimally if it ever gets to be a top DPS class or gets raid utility.
Necro and ranger just bring utility that the engineer doesn’t, and if the engineer ever gets desirable raid utility, it will probably kick necromancers out in any fight that doesn’t require boon strip or condition clears.
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Now there is your proof. The only lower DPS class than ours is the mesmer, and that profession brings a lot of sustain with passive confusion, cleanses, the invis and clones.[…]
Did you even read the thread? Guess not …
Just for comparison sake…
Some Engineer on this thread posted his pvp statistics [img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbaacd3d39.jpg[/img] here.
Here are a couple of my Druid matches.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb18295c7.jpg[/img] one.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb1e7c788.jpg[/img] two.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb1f302ad.jpg[/img] three.
The build I was using was my cleric burst build.
It should be pretty obvious the difference in damage, healing, conditions, etc. That an engineer was able to trash a druid’s stats. And, I’m not complaining about engineers, oh no, I’m complaining how completely ridiculously overpowered elementalists are.
To the other professions on this thread defending their profession: Let the rangers get the fixes and buffs they need to stay competitive with these classes.
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Just for comparison sake…
Some Engineer on this thread posted his pvp statistics [img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbaacd3d39.jpg[/img] here.
Here are a couple of my Druid matches.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb18295c7.jpg[/img] one.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb1e7c788.jpg[/img] two.
[img]https://i.imgsafe.org/bbb1f302ad.jpg[/img] three.The build I was using was my cleric burst build.
It should be pretty obvious the difference in damage, healing, conditions, etc. That an engineer was able to trash a druid’s stats. And, I’m not complaining about engineers, oh no, I’m complaining how completely ridiculously overpowered elementalists are.
To the other professions on this thread defending their profession: Let the rangers get the fixes and buffs they need to stay competitive with these classes.
Lol yeah, quite remarkable difference indeed. No wonder I many times feel like I’m hitting my opponent over and over and over again, and their healthbar barely moves, yet when the engage me, they take out so large chunks of my health it’s not even funny.
Also, the elite spec that’s supposed to be THE master of healing can’t even win that category. Class balance? Rofl!
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edit: I will also add that for Rangers to max out condi DPS we have to play a completely selfish build that does nothing for the team. There is very little content in this game that is meant to be played completely solo therefore playing a build that gimps your team is not desired. When you build a condi or power Druid you’re not putting out nearly as much personal dps but buffing the entire team.
What build is that?
Someone already linked it up in the thread.
only seeing reddit and youtube links…
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwRyaBw2TYThis “large margin” you’re talking about isn’t really there. It’s just that rangers can do better in raids than playing a selfish personal dps build…
You are so full of crap.
You cherry picked the video of the ranger benchmark with the unrealistic buffs and scenario, and compared it to the engineer’s realistic buff video instead of the similarly unrealistic one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ft01q/qt_dps_benchmarkstests_for_all_classes/
31k engineer. Please, try a bit harder next time.
Wow… what kind of aggressive idiot are you? I didn’t cherry pick anything, but posted 2 videos (the engineer one is from the exact link you posted; fully buffed starts at about ~3:00min. i even linked it that way, but the forum snipped the “&feature=youtu.be&t=2m54s” from the link sigh), both showing single target damage under the exact same unrealistic fully buffed conditions, while benefitting equally from fields dropped under an unmoving target…
engineer gets ~31k, ranger gets ~30k.
So where’s that engineer “completely eclipsing the other condi builds by a large margin”? Are we talking about the 3% difference or are you just trolling?
Of course that’s normally no reason to play selfish condi ranger (as there’s nearly no reason to bring an engineer nowadays; both bring damage lower than a tempest’s without much utility) and a raid will dps-wise benefit more from a buffing (and raid healing/condition cleansing) condi druid.
But fact is: a ranger’s personal damage (the thing this thread is about^^) is perfectly fine (and comparable to the engineer’s) should he choose to build for that.
You’re being silly assuming that every fight is single target. 1k difference on a single target golem. Add more targets and the engineers aoe/cleave condi potential far outstrips the ranger one.
What has the ranger got for aoe/cleave? Bonfire? That’s pretty much it for cleaving condis.
The engineer’s condi DPS should a target walk off his fire field is higher than the ranger’s, which makes him better on moving targets.
So, yeah, you cherry picked the worst example possible as in any realistic scenario the engineer trounces condi ranger.
In fact, the very first weeks of progression when Vale Guardian saw just that, engineers dominating the condi groups while rangers were not remotely as wanted.
Problem with engineer is that after Vale Guardian, no other fights have really favored strong condi niches. Which is why other than ranger (plenty of which also run power builds) and necro, a vast majority of the DPS spots in a raid comp are power based builds.
Engineers are not weak. Neither are daredevils for that matter. Tempests are just broken. You have a single class capable of not only trouncing everyone in DPS by a large margin, but they can do so from range and they’ve got among the most powerful aoe potential besides necromancers.
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