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Posted by: Ryou.2398

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So I tried it and loved the animations, looked at the traits and etc from the ranger and it seems really cool with lots of style so did the thief but they seem to have way more issues right now.

Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing? How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?

Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?

Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.

What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?

I question the community because lots of people said the same crap about hunter in wow and I kind of proved people wrong and they often wondered how I did so well in dungeons and kept dps up with the light cc and other tools I could use even off tank with my pet. So I have to wonder if this is more of mentality thing or maybe they really do have all this issues.

I currently play mesmer I am dropping my elemental until a nerf pops up and they make other builds more viable, I just do not like playing anything unbalanced like that. Thanks everyone!

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Posted by: Bryzy.2719

Bryzy.2719

Is this thread just a thinly veiled way of having a dig at Rangers and telling us we don’t have it as bad as we think?

also

so did the thief but they seem to have way more issues right now.

Wat. Just wat.

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Posted by: Rizo.9534

Rizo.9534

“Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing? How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?”

ATM it’s all about stacking. LB are good on some bosses in Fractals, where you need range weapon, but DPS output are much less then s/a

‘Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?’

You can, but physDamage multiplier are worst from all weapons in game.(even NecroScepiter has beter physDps)

‘’Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.’’

RH axe are good for COdi build. LH Axe are only for Phys build, So you can use a/a, but you’ll be not effective.

‘’What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?’’

s/a are best physDPS for ranger. a/t – BestCondi ranger and best DPS overall of ranger.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

“Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing? How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?”

ATM it’s all about stacking. LB are good on some bosses in Fractals, where you need range weapon, but DPS output are much less then s/a

‘Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?’

You can, but physDamage multiplier are worst from all weapons in game.(even NecroScepiter has beter physDps)

‘’Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.’’

RH axe are good for COdi build. LH Axe are only for Phys build, So you can use a/a, but you’ll be not effective.

‘’What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?’’

s/a are best physDPS for ranger. a/t – BestCondi ranger and best DPS overall of ranger.

I am confused you say axe is good for cond build but sword with axe is good dps?

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Is this thread just a thinly veiled way of having a dig at Rangers and telling us we don’t have it as bad as we think?

also

so did the thief but they seem to have way more issues right now.

Wat. Just wat.

I think you may be just being paranoid why would I do that? I am really curious and interested in the class. I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem, just check the forums plenty of interesting info on them.

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Posted by: Rizo.9534

Rizo.9534

I am confused you say axe is good for cond build but sword with axe is good dps?

LH – LeftHand
RH – RightHand

RHAxe are condi based
LHAxe are PhysBased

So Sword/Axe – best for berserker
Axe/Torch – Best for condi

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

So is right hand the right side of the skill set or the left just so we are clear? When yousay sword/axe it makes me thing sword right side skills and axe left skills:) I am sorry man just a little lost on this.

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Posted by: Bryzy.2719

Bryzy.2719

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

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Posted by: Rizo.9534

Rizo.9534

You can take sword only in Right Hand.
Right Hand weapon – 1,2,3 skills
Left Hand weapon – 4,5 skills

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Ryou.2398

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

Well considering all the info from the forum they do seem they have more issues, considering they have been nerfed constantly, it happens in every mmorpg with stealth classes and this is what it is usually about just because they have stealth does not make them op.

My punctuation is fine it is not hard to understand what the word seem means in a sentence.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

You can take sword only in Right Hand.
Right Hand weapon – 1,2,3 skills
Left Hand weapon – 4,5 skills

I see thank you:)

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Posted by: Bryzy.2719

Bryzy.2719

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

Well considering all the info from the forum they do seem they have more issues, considering they have been nerfed constantly, it happens in every mmorpg with stealth classes and this is what it is usually about just because they have stealth does not make them op.

My punctuation is fine it is not hard to understand what the word seem means in a sentence.

You’re wrong. Thieves don’t have an entirely broken profession mechanic, they don’t have.. you know what? I’m too tired to go through all this again. Jesus Christ just go read through the Ranger forum and you’ll see what’s up.

This will get you started: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Feedback-BWE2-Druid-Impressions/first#post5471079

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Posted by: Maximum Potato.5923

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Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing? How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?

Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?

Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.

What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?

Longbow is fine in dungeons, but not for its basic attack. Right now, staying within melee range is either the optimal way to kill a boss, or the most commonly accepted strategy (Melee typically does more damage than range, and when everyone sitting in melee range, it’s easier to share boons, making the whole party more effective.) I use Longbow in dungeons because of a trait called Quick Draw, which reduces the cooldown of your next weapon skill by 75% after switching weapons. Basically, switch to longbow, use Rapid Fire (which will now have a 2.5 second cooldown), use Barrage, then use Rapid Fire again. By that point, you’ll only have about 2 seconds left until you can swap weapons back to a melee weapon, and you’ll have applied +20 stacks of vulnerability, making it a fantastic burst weapon. You can also do this in melee range without losing damage.

What makes a weapon ‘condition based’ or ‘damage based’ depends purely on what its skills do. Shortbow has a bleed on auto attack, a poison on its second skill, and a bleed on its fourth skill – power builds make no real use of those bleeds, which are fundamental to getting the best out of the Shortbow. On the other hand, the Longbow has vulnerability on its second skill, and the utility of a stealth on its third, something berserker builds appreciate since it gives them some form of active defense. Longbow also has no damaging conditions, meaning a power build’s the only way to really use the weapon well.

Axe/Axe certainly isn’t optimal, but if you really like it, then there’s no reason not to use it. Axe main hand works best in areas where there are 2+ enemies to hit, or where you need some wide range AoE damage (Like the bomb golems in Crucible of Eternity). Mainhand axe’s second skill is a short cooldown bleed that does more bleeding at close range, so condition damage would be a good way to increase its damage. On the other hand, Offhand axe is more pure damage, with Path of Scars doing seriously stupid damage if it hits both ways. Whirling Defense is very situational – it doesn’t do enough damage to justify using it whenever its off cooldown, but it does reflect projectiles, so you can use it as a defensive mechanism or to do lots of damage to enemies with high damage range attacks. I’d reccomend making armor with the Sinister prefix (++Condition Damage, +Power, +Precision) for Axe/Axe, simply due to how well it scales with both condition and raw damage.

The Ranger has 2 melee weapons – Sword and Greatsword. Sword is the highest damage option, and has two built in evades, which is useful for keeping up the Steady Focus trait (+10% damage when your endurance is full.) However, the Sword has a nasty auto attack, which roots you in place during the 2nd and 3rd attack in the chain, and can make dodging very difficult. Kind of a high-risk-high-reward weapon. Greatsword on the other hand is a safer melee weapon, which allows you to move during auto attack, has evades on auto attack, and a block. Its damage is good, but not quite as good as Sword. Both Sword and Greatsword lack any real conditions, and are favoured as power weapons.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

I also said thieves seem to the keyword here is seem

Wat

Edit: Now I see what you mean. Could have done with some punctuation in that sentence as it looks pretty confusing.

But yeah, you need to spend a bit more time on Ranger if it “seems” to you that thieves have more problems.

Well considering all the info from the forum they do seem they have more issues, considering they have been nerfed constantly, it happens in every mmorpg with stealth classes and this is what it is usually about just because they have stealth does not make them op.

My punctuation is fine it is not hard to understand what the word seem means in a sentence.

You’re wrong. Thieves don’t have an entirely broken profession mechanic, they don’t have.. you know what? I’m too tired to go through all this again. Jesus Christ just go read through the Ranger forum and you’ll see what’s up.

This will get you started: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Feedback-BWE2-Druid-Impressions/first#post5471079

Where did I state they had a broken mechanic? If anything there dps is suffering, and all that thread did was talk about some issues with some of the weapons which pretty much goes for nearly every class. And this is beta stuff anyway therefor its not even final.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing? How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?

Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?

Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.

What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?

Longbow is fine in dungeons, but not for its basic attack. Right now, staying within melee range is either the optimal way to kill a boss, or the most commonly accepted strategy (Melee typically does more damage than range, and when everyone sitting in melee range, it’s easier to share boons, making the whole party more effective.) I use Longbow in dungeons because of a trait called Quick Draw, which reduces the cooldown of your next weapon skill by 75% after switching weapons. Basically, switch to longbow, use Rapid Fire (which will now have a 2.5 second cooldown), use Barrage, then use Rapid Fire again. By that point, you’ll only have about 2 seconds left until you can swap weapons back to a melee weapon, and you’ll have applied +20 stacks of vulnerability, making it a fantastic burst weapon. You can also do this in melee range without losing damage.

What makes a weapon ‘condition based’ or ‘damage based’ depends purely on what its skills do. Shortbow has a bleed on auto attack, a poison on its second skill, and a bleed on its fourth skill – power builds make no real use of those bleeds, which are fundamental to getting the best out of the Shortbow. On the other hand, the Longbow has vulnerability on its second skill, and the utility of a stealth on its third, something berserker builds appreciate since it gives them some form of active defense. Longbow also has no damaging conditions, meaning a power build’s the only way to really use the weapon well.

Axe/Axe certainly isn’t optimal, but if you really like it, then there’s no reason not to use it. Axe main hand works best in areas where there are 2+ enemies to hit, or where you need some wide range AoE damage (Like the bomb golems in Crucible of Eternity). Mainhand axe’s second skill is a short cooldown bleed that does more bleeding at close range, so condition damage would be a good way to increase its damage. On the other hand, Offhand axe is more pure damage, with Path of Scars doing seriously stupid damage if it hits both ways. Whirling Defense is very situational – it doesn’t do enough damage to justify using it whenever its off cooldown, but it does reflect projectiles, so you can use it as a defensive mechanism or to do lots of damage to enemies with high damage range attacks. I’d reccomend making armor with the Sinister prefix (++Condition Damage, +Power, +Precision) for Axe/Axe, simply due to how well it scales with both condition and raw damage.

The Ranger has 2 melee weapons – Sword and Greatsword. Sword is the highest damage option, and has two built in evades, which is useful for keeping up the Steady Focus trait (+10% damage when your endurance is full.) However, the Sword has a nasty auto attack, which roots you in place during the 2nd and 3rd attack in the chain, and can make dodging very difficult. Kind of a high-risk-high-reward weapon. Greatsword on the other hand is a safer melee weapon, which allows you to move during auto attack, has evades on auto attack, and a block. Its damage is good, but not quite as good as Sword. Both Sword and Greatsword lack any real conditions, and are favoured as power weapons.

Thanks for all the info, but it does not sound appealing to only use one or two skills then swap I prefer using bigger rotations.

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Posted by: Maximum Potato.5923

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Thanks for all the info, but it does not sound appealing to only use one or two skills then swap I prefer using bigger rotations.

The Ranger doesn’t really have any big, elaborate rotations, since they’re cooldown based rather than initiative based. Ranger’s more reactive with its skills than Thief, saving them for the right time (eg, using Hornet’s Sting+Hunter’s Shot with Sword+Longbow to get to a safe distance and stealth if you take lots of damage, or using Serpent’s Strike to get behind the boss for a damage increase if he turns to face you).

Longbow’s damage begins to fall off really hard after the initial burst, since its basic attack does less damage in melee range, and is rather slow compared to melee weapons. If you’re running Axe/Axe, Shortbow would probably be a good secondary option for you, since it doesn’t get any damage penalties in melee range, and is better for single target condition damage, covering one of Mainhand Axe’s weaknesses.

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Posted by: Tragic Positive.9356

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Other classes need memory to remember skill order.

Rangers need reflexes and awareness to know when to stop using auto-attack for another purpose such as dodge, reflect, Damage Boosts etc.
Rangers are much more about pet control. So our rotations come from utilities and pet (swaps and F2), if you prefer. Not from weapons.

If you want a challenging rotation class – play an Engie. I can guarantee you’ll hate it as much as you’d hate Ranger. They are the same (except Rangers are more bugged and get less attention) in terms of giving twice the effort for half the reward.

EDIT: If you still want to play the Ranger and want a rotation oriented build – play full melee GS+S/A Remorseless. That build has all the rotation you might want.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Thanks for all the info, but it does not sound appealing to only use one or two skills then swap I prefer using bigger rotations.

The Ranger doesn’t really have any big, elaborate rotations, since they’re cooldown based rather than initiative based. Ranger’s more reactive with its skills than Thief, saving them for the right time (eg, using Hornet’s Sting+Hunter’s Shot with Sword+Longbow to get to a safe distance and stealth if you take lots of damage, or using Serpent’s Strike to get behind the boss for a damage increase if he turns to face you).

Longbow’s damage begins to fall off really hard after the initial burst, since its basic attack does less damage in melee range, and is rather slow compared to melee weapons. If you’re running Axe/Axe, Shortbow would probably be a good secondary option for you, since it doesn’t get any damage penalties in melee range, and is better for single target condition damage, covering one of Mainhand Axe’s weaknesses.

Thanks this helps, I wont be running axe/axe though and shortbow is really only good for conditions isnt it?

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Other classes need memory to remember skill order.

Rangers need reflexes and awareness to know when to stop using auto-attack for another purpose such as dodge, reflect, Damage Boosts etc.
Rangers are much more about pet control. So our rotations come from utilities and pet (swaps and F2), if you prefer. Not from weapons.

If you want a challenging rotation class – play an Engie. I can guarantee you’ll hate it as much as you’d hate Ranger. They are the same (except Rangers are more bugged and get less attention) in terms of giving twice the effort for half the reward.

EDIT: If you still want to play the Ranger and want a rotation oriented build – play full melee GS+S/A Remorseless. That build has all the rotation you might want.

Thanks, I tried engineer and it was not for me to be honest.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

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Just to clarify, thieves are extremely high damage machines that are consistently the best or one of the best professions. They’ve been one of the devs’ favored classes since release (although they in theory try to keep all the classes relatively equal, that doesn’t work out in practice.)

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Posted by: Unholy Pillager.3791

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Thieves may be at their lowest point in ever, but they still are pretty much a permanent fixture in tournament team compositions. Ranger is almost never even seen in tournaments at all. That should tell you all you need to know as far as PvP is concerned.

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Ryou.2398

Thieves may be at their lowest point in ever, but they still are pretty much a permanent fixture in tournament team compositions. Ranger is almost never even seen in tournaments at all. That should tell you all you need to know as far as PvP is concerned.

I think their bigger issue is being forced into one spec.

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Thieves may be at their lowest point in ever, but they still are pretty much a permanent fixture in tournament team compositions. Ranger is almost never even seen in tournaments at all. That should tell you all you need to know as far as PvP is concerned.

I think their bigger issue is being forced into one spec.

What’s funny about all of it is that ranger is currently mainly fighting for that one role in the team composition the thief is complaining about being stuck in.

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Posted by: Unholy Pillager.3791

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Thieves may be at their lowest point in ever, but they still are pretty much a permanent fixture in tournament team compositions. Ranger is almost never even seen in tournaments at all. That should tell you all you need to know as far as PvP is concerned.

I think their bigger issue is being forced into one spec.

No, or else elementalists would also be considered at a low point. Mesmers, who were once a thief’s favored prey, are no longer so easy for thieves to take down. Plus, they have a lot more stealth and considerable mobility, allowing them to take over some jobs that thief used to be required for. Finally, thieves are best against squishy targets, and can survive when there are bunkers around (by avoiding those). Now, however, we have bruisers that are too tough to burst yet still do a lot of damage, which is the worst possible thing for a thief to fight. The real problem for thief is the excess of cele eles and cele necros, soldier and condi engis, and burn everything. Actually, make that condi everything, although in this meta ‘condi’ is more or less synonymous with ‘burn’.

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Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing?

So here’s the deal, longbow is used for the start of a fight. If you have the Quick Draw trait, you get in combat with your melee weapon, swap weapons, use LB2 (Quick Draw will lower it’s cooldown), use LB5, use LB2 and swap to melee when you can. You don’t usually go back to LB as the boss/mob you are killing in a group is usually dead by then. Personally, I prefer to use the Greatsword and Sword/Axe rather than the Longbow so I don’t get the idiots from groups yelling at me because they assume I use/spam LB4. Also, GS3 helps me to move quicker through a dungeon. No matter how you look at it, LB can be a good tool for dungeon work but there are other options.

How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?

You never move away from the stack, some bosses have mechanics that end up changing because you moved from the stack. Also, if you drop…it’s harder for your group to ress you. You don’t want to be that ranger standing in the back because your LB works best at far range. You want to be in melee range with your group so you can get the buffs and the various aid from them.

Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?

Shortbow used to be amazing. No one used LB over SB, the SB had an incredible attack speed to make up for it’s other short comings. Because they seemed to want everyone to use LB (guessing someone has a love affair with the idea of a LB ranger), they had to make the SB a less attractive option. They nerfed not only the attack speed but also made it have a much shorter range with no ability to increase it. It’s useless to use with anything but an Asura Moment of Clarity PvP build really.

Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.

Axe is a lovely off hand weapon but the main hand version lacks what a sword can give you. Most of us pretend like Axe main hand doesn’t exist.

What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?

The only other melee weapons are Sword and Greatsword and I think most of us have already mentioned that those are your best options.

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Posted by: Unholy Pillager.3791

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Shortbow nerf was a horrible decision. Is something too weak? Nerf everything else! It may seem a subtle difference at a glance, but entice people to use something by making it the strongest, rather than the least weak.

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Posted by: anduriell.6280

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  • Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing?
    Lonbow is not bad. Actually is the best weapon ranger has (in melee and ranged). LongBow in the only weapon for ranger that can drop a ranged AoE without the need of LOS (line of sight). Basic for Walls in WvW or any awkward situation.
    The damage is also decent by each hit. However is rally slow, around 1 sec for arrow with the aftercast which completely diminish the DPS it could do.
  • How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?
    Doesn’t matter, you can not go fast enough. At the end you can extend the usability with LB#4(PBS) but that hurts your team more than the DPS you gain.
  • Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?
    It could. But is not the case, SB is condition based only, the direct damage is so low is really embarrassing. Even going condi ranger with short bow it much slower than the LB and does not offer the same utility as the LB.
  • Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.
    No. Axe mainhand (MH) is condition based, while Axe offhand (OH) is power based. Why it is done like that is out of my comprehension but Axe OH is the only offhand power weapon ranger has.
    However the Axe MH is really slow. The cast is 1 second, but there is allways a delay and aftercast. The AA is around 1.5 seconds and Axe#2 (the main reason some people says is a good condi weapon ) takes like 1 second to activate. Axe MH is a really lame melee weapon.
  • What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?
    There are only one choice: Greatsword.
    Sword does an okish damage but the broken mechanics with Sword#1 AA chain and Sword#3 make almost useless.
    Greatsword is an utility weapon, it is really not DPS oriented, so do not expect to be a great weapon. Is good for evaded and blocks though.
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Anyways my questions are, what is so bad about longbow in dungeons if the player is skilled and knows what they are doing?

So here’s the deal, longbow is used for the start of a fight. If you have the Quick Draw trait, you get in combat with your melee weapon, swap weapons, use LB2 (Quick Draw will lower it’s cooldown), use LB5, use LB2 and swap to melee when you can. You don’t usually go back to LB as the boss/mob you are killing in a group is usually dead by then. Personally, I prefer to use the Greatsword and Sword/Axe rather than the Longbow so I don’t get the idiots from groups yelling at me because they assume I use/spam LB4. Also, GS3 helps me to move quicker through a dungeon. No matter how you look at it, LB can be a good tool for dungeon work but there are other options.

How is the dps low if you have room to go backwards?

You never move away from the stack, some bosses have mechanics that end up changing because you moved from the stack. Also, if you drop…it’s harder for your group to ress you. You don’t want to be that ranger standing in the back because your LB works best at far range. You want to be in melee range with your group so you can get the buffs and the various aid from them.

Why is short bow only conditions? Can you not build it for better damage?

Shortbow used to be amazing. No one used LB over SB, the SB had an incredible attack speed to make up for it’s other short comings. Because they seemed to want everyone to use LB (guessing someone has a love affair with the idea of a LB ranger), they had to make the SB a less attractive option. They nerfed not only the attack speed but also made it have a much shorter range with no ability to increase it. It’s useless to use with anything but an Asura Moment of Clarity PvP build really.

Would an axe/axe build be good for anything? Its seemed incredibly fun.

Axe is a lovely off hand weapon but the main hand version lacks what a sword can give you. Most of us pretend like Axe main hand doesn’t exist.

What about the other melee types? Can they be just as effective?

The only other melee weapons are Sword and Greatsword and I think most of us have already mentioned that those are your best options.

Ok about the stacking and buffs, why does a ranger who is staying at range need all those buffs to begin with? This sounds like an excuse for a bad playing getting to much agro so they need the buffs to keep them alive.

Thanks for all the answers I am just stating this is kind of what it sounds like, if a elementalist can play ranged why cant a ranger? And if your going to say no classes should do ranged in dungeons I am done, because that makes no sense what so ever, if anything that comes off as a mentality then a fact.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Man allot of you make ranger sound like crap.

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Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

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Ok about the stacking and buffs, why does a ranger who is staying at range need all those buffs to begin with? This sounds like an excuse for a bad playing getting to much agro so they need the buffs to keep them alive.

Thanks for all the answers I am just stating this is kind of what it sounds like, if a elementalist can play ranged why cant a ranger? And if your going to say no classes should do ranged in dungeons I am done, because that makes no sense what so ever, if anything that comes off as a mentality then a fact.

Because ele can drop 25 stacks of might by himself. Even Necro can get 25 might with the right traits.
So 25 stacks of might will make your ele do massive amount of damage + condi damage. Also you have to keep in mind the Fury + 20% crit.

Any player with some experience know this.

If you are 1500 units away from your group happens 2 things: You don’t get any boon and that’s bad because ranger does not drop boons by himself, but what is worst is that you don’t drop any boon/help in your team.

No one want in their team anybody that does not help the rest and can’t do a significant damage to ignore that fact.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

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Ok about the stacking and buffs, why does a ranger who is staying at range need all those buffs to begin with? This sounds like an excuse for a bad playing getting to much agro so they need the buffs to keep them alive.

Thanks for all the answers I am just stating this is kind of what it sounds like, if a elementalist can play ranged why cant a ranger? And if your going to say no classes should do ranged in dungeons I am done, because that makes no sense what so ever, if anything that comes off as a mentality then a fact.

Because ele can drop 25 stacks of might by himself. Even Necro can get 25 might with the right traits.
So 25 stacks of might will make your ele do massive amount of damage + condi damage. Also you have to keep in mind the Fury + 20% crit.

Any player with some experience know this.

If you are 1500 units away from your group happens 2 things: You don’t get any boon and that’s bad because ranger does not drop boons by himself, but what is worst is that you don’t drop any boon/help in your team.

No one want in their team anybody that does not help the rest and can’t do a significant damage to ignore that fact.

Your wrong in plenty of mmorpgs people accept people who can dps and not offer buffs, I have no idea where you get this idea from but that is simply wrong.

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Posted by: Unholy Pillager.3791

Unholy Pillager.3791

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Ok about the stacking and buffs, why does a ranger who is staying at range need all those buffs to begin with? This sounds like an excuse for a bad playing getting to much agro so they need the buffs to keep them alive.

Thanks for all the answers I am just stating this is kind of what it sounds like, if a elementalist can play ranged why cant a ranger? And if your going to say no classes should do ranged in dungeons I am done, because that makes no sense what so ever, if anything that comes off as a mentality then a fact.

Because ele can drop 25 stacks of might by himself. Even Necro can get 25 might with the right traits.
So 25 stacks of might will make your ele do massive amount of damage + condi damage. Also you have to keep in mind the Fury + 20% crit.

Any player with some experience know this.

If you are 1500 units away from your group happens 2 things: You don’t get any boon and that’s bad because ranger does not drop boons by himself, but what is worst is that you don’t drop any boon/help in your team.

No one want in their team anybody that does not help the rest and can’t do a significant damage to ignore that fact.

Your wrong in plenty of mmorpgs people accept people who can dps and not offer buffs, I have no idea where you get this idea from but that is simply wrong.

Not in dungeons in GW2, though, which is what this discussion is about.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

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Ok about the stacking and buffs, why does a ranger who is staying at range need all those buffs to begin with? This sounds like an excuse for a bad playing getting to much agro so they need the buffs to keep them alive.

Thanks for all the answers I am just stating this is kind of what it sounds like, if a elementalist can play ranged why cant a ranger? And if your going to say no classes should do ranged in dungeons I am done, because that makes no sense what so ever, if anything that comes off as a mentality then a fact.

Because ele can drop 25 stacks of might by himself. Even Necro can get 25 might with the right traits.
So 25 stacks of might will make your ele do massive amount of damage + condi damage. Also you have to keep in mind the Fury + 20% crit.

Any player with some experience know this.

If you are 1500 units away from your group happens 2 things: You don’t get any boon and that’s bad because ranger does not drop boons by himself, but what is worst is that you don’t drop any boon/help in your team.

No one want in their team anybody that does not help the rest and can’t do a significant damage to ignore that fact.

Your wrong in plenty of mmorpgs people accept people who can dps and not offer buffs, I have no idea where you get this idea from but that is simply wrong.

Not in dungeons in GW2, though, which is what this discussion is about.

Saids who? A few elitists in the forums? Last I checked this is not really an mmorpg for elitists.

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Posted by: Sarision.6347

Sarision.6347

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

(edited by Sarision.6347)

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

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Posted by: Mcrocha.3891

Mcrocha.3891

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Well maybe you shouldn’t waste your time then. GG thread is over.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Well maybe you shouldn’t waste your time then. GG thread is over.

It actually is not over, and spending 80 levels on a class and not liking it is far less time consuming then this. Stop trolling.

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Posted by: Mcrocha.3891

Mcrocha.3891

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Well maybe you shouldn’t waste your time then. GG thread is over.

It actually is not over, and spending 80 levels on a class and not liking it is far less time consuming then this. Stop trolling.

No sir, after reading this thread you are the one who can be construed as trolling.

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Posted by: Sarision.6347

Sarision.6347

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Then advertise your own LFG, instead of joining those that say “Zerk only” or “Meta plz.”

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Well maybe you shouldn’t waste your time then. GG thread is over.

It actually is not over, and spending 80 levels on a class and not liking it is far less time consuming then this. Stop trolling.

No sir, after reading this thread you are the one who can be construed as trolling.

Ok buddy keep telling yourself that.

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Posted by: anduriell.6280

anduriell.6280

Your wrong in plenty of mmorpgs people accept people who can dps and not offer buffs, I have no idea where you get this idea from but that is simply wrong.

Again, rangers do worst DPS than any other class in game. I do better dps with my necro in condi and in power (and necro melee weapons are really bad).

And that’s only because rangers does not have access to stacking might.
In condition build rangers does not drop the same amount of stacks of any condition with no weapon.
Even necro with duumfire can drop more burning than ranger.
Also just to point out your ignorance, GW2 does not use the trinity any other MMoRPG uses, tanker, nuker and healer.
Everyone is a tanker/nuker/healer at the same time, and that make every class has to bring something to the table. Ranger does not.

So you have a class that does not enough DPS to be acceptable and has no sharing utilities but needs of constant support.
Sorry to break your bubble but it is like that.

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Posted by: Lazze.9870

Lazze.9870

Why don’t you play it instead of asking us then?

If you have a problem with me asking your welcome to not enter to post at all:)

If you spend the time playing instead, you actually get an even better answer than here.

Well maybe I do not want to waste my time playing a class being shoehorned into playstyles because of a mentality.

Do whatever you want then. Stay at range, pew pew with the bow and do subpar contribution to the group if that’s what you enjoy. The ranger’s best contribution to a group, Spotter and Frost Spirit, have a 600 and 1000 radius respectively. Longbow got 1500 range. Do the math yourself.

Meta is meta for a reason, and the GW2 dungeon meta is what it is because of certain poor design decisions that allows a certain playstyle to be vastly more effective than others. It will probably change with raids, but the dungeons will remain as easy content that people want to finish as fast as possible for the rewards.

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Posted by: Lazze.9870

Lazze.9870

Again, rangers do worst DPS than any other class in game. I do better dps with my necro in condi and in power (and necro melee weapons are really bad).

You don’t, but that wouldn’t be the first time you’re wrong about something.

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Posted by: Ryou.2398

Ryou.2398

Because ele can drop 25 stacks of might by himself. Even Necro can get 25 might with the right traits.
So 25 stacks of might will make your ele do massive amount of damage + condi damage. Also you have to keep in mind the Fury + 20% crit.

Any player with some experience know this.

If you are 1500 units away from your group happens 2 things: You don’t get any boon and that’s bad because ranger does not drop boons by himself, but what is worst is that you don’t drop any boon/help in your team.

No one want in their team anybody that does not help the rest and can’t do a significant damage to ignore that fact.

Your wrong in plenty of mmorpgs people accept people who can dps and not offer buffs, I have no idea where you get this idea from but that is simply wrong.

Again, rangers do worst DPS than any other class in game. I do better dps with my necro in condi and in power (and necro melee weapons are really bad).

And that’s only because rangers does not have access to stacking might.
In condition build rangers does not drop the same amount of stacks of any condition with no weapon.
Even necro with duumfire can drop more burning than ranger.

So you have a class that does not enough DPS to be acceptable and has no sharing utilities but needs of constant support.
Sorry to break your bubble but it is like that.
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You did not I believe it I am just cautious because many mmorpgs have certain mind set in communities of what class should do what, so if they are the worst dps and do not offer anything else I do not understand this, and I do not understand why someone just did not come right out and say this directly, usually a class has something else that balances something like that pet, take for example in wow, even though hunters where not max dps in certain situations, they had a few buffs and specific pets that could off tank for example.