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Posted by: QueenHysteria.1084

QueenHysteria.1084

Anyone that has played ranger type classes in an mmo can immediately tell just how poorly this class was developed in GW2. Ranger does no particular tasks well because specialization is impossible to achieve with the given trait layout and skill selections you have to choose from.

In PVP DPS and Healing are king. The ranger is not capable of producing enough DPS to outperform the other classes in this game. They are incapable of healing themselves fast enough to survive PVP in this game because of the lack of armor protection making them an ideal target for high damage results. As soon as you heal your health will be right back down.

I’ve been maining ranger since launch and have yet to see this class dominate and out perform any other single class in this game in PVE or PVP. Other class DPS better, apply conditions better, have better defense, and better offense. The one benefit of being a ranger is having your pet take Aggro away from you and mercy healing you when you’re down. The thing is Anet tried to make this class dependent on you having a pet and that pets abilities combined with yours making you equal to the other classes when in reality your weak by yourself and your pet is weak also.

The trait tree doesn’t have traits that compliment the idea of sharing power between a pet and the ranger. It’s attacks or abilities don’t change to compliment the fighting style you choose. If you choose to use bows or melee weapons pets still respond and act the same. Pets also only apply “moderate” conditions to foes. 2s of this 3s of that. If you blink too long you’ll miss what they did. They’re not effective enough to actually be useful in combat. In PVP the most effective ranger pet is the wolf and the spider because “fear” and “immobilization” can either buy you time or give you a better chance to escape as a ranger.

Other than that your pet is just another critter for players to ignore while they drain your health with their attacks. Pets don’t do nearly enough damage to be effective in pvp combat. They’re barely effective in PVE combat and anyone that wishes to challenge that tell us about how long it took your pet to solo just the average game goon. It takes forever for them to kill something by themselves.
Then you take that same pet and apply it to fighting another actual player and you can bet on disaster which is exactly what happens. Theifs and Mesmers make a mockery out of the pet AI system. I truly don’t see how any developer threw a pass at that during testing without realizing stealth and multiplicity make pets bug out.

Just vanishing will send your pet either flip flopping in place or looking for a random target to run off and attack. This is perfect for when that thief is now raining blows on you and your pet is now way off in the distance attacking moa birds. Of course you have your commands like attack my target, return, etc. etc. but how good is micromanaging those skills while you’re in the middle of a fighting for your life?

Guildwars had so many ideas that made more sense than this game it’s like GW2 is a step back. On the original ranger nothing brought more peace than knowing you don’t have to use a pet if you don’t want too. You could build a strong capable independent character to your liking. Investing half your fighting power into a pet in GW2 is like making Peyton Manning your Superbowl quarterback when you’re up against the Seahawks. Chances are things are not going to go well.

When you look at the traits for ranger one thing that should be clear to anyone is that the most of the traits don’t make sense for the category their in. You have Marksmanship which is for bow specialization but it gives you traits for use with swords,axes,and traps? Then you have Skirmishing which gives you options for using Bows? and Traps? Then you have wilderness survival (which is what traps should be in btw) and you have things like pet skills?

By the time you scatter your points you realize they you have traits you don’t need just to get something you do need to help compliment you’re actual play style. The sad part is that as a ranger if you want to survive you will always be forced to dump 30 in W/S just to get toughness to survive.

This class is just a cluster of bad ideas that should have never made it into the game. The entire ranger class needs to be reworked. I’m not trying to say that the class needs to be made invincible but it should at least been created so that it had a fighting chance to begin with.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Oh look, another thread talking about all the problems we already know are there…. Would you mind coming up with suggestions on how to fix this and then put that in the CDI thread when it’s made Wednesday? It’d help a lot more than screaming at the choir.

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As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: Expiatus.4210

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Anvil Rock – Out manned, out gunned and no repair costs, so Leeroy up and dive in.
See you in Tyria.

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Posted by: vitali.1609

vitali.1609

Petless build option FTW. Pet AI is garbage and a fix is beyond them.
Olny class to get kicked from dung/frac grps because its so poorly done and thats mainly because of the broken pet/pet mechanics.

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Posted by: Wondrouswall.7169

Wondrouswall.7169

There, there. Feel better after that wall of rant? Here, have a cookie. Oh, wait. You’re a Ranger, you don’t get one. Here’s something else.

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PET PRECISION & DPS TESTS -OUTDATED-
Will update once Path of Fire releases.

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Posted by: vitali.1609

vitali.1609

There, there. Feel better after that wall of rant? Here, have a cookie. Oh, wait. You’re a Ranger, you don’t get one. Here’s something else.

LOL good stuff. Im debating rolling a warrior but not sure if I want to lvl/gear up another toon.

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Posted by: Fext.3614

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There, there. Feel better after that wall of rant? Here, have a cookie. Oh, wait. You’re a Ranger, you don’t get one. Here’s something else.

LOL good stuff. Im debating rolling a warrior but not sure if I want to lvl/gear up another toon.

Warriors are good at everything and welcome everywhere. And levelling a toon and gearing up is so easy, namely if it is a warrior.

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Posted by: Fext.3614

Fext.3614

Anyone that has played ranger type classes in an mmo can immediately tell just how poorly this class was developed in GW2. Ranger does no particular tasks well because specialization is impossible to achieve with the given trait layout and skill selections you have to choose from. [snip]

To make a long story short: pets are an utter failure at almost everything save tanking solo stationary mobs, and this will be hardly improved.
I dont think ANet can develop some good AI quickly and even if they can it will be way too expensive. And I doubt they would say “OK, we were wrong”, drop the whole pet idea, and make ranger a strong ranged dps.

Even if they make ranger a strong ranged dps, we are still screwed, because almost all teamwork is melee heavy. The team works best if stacked – the party support skills have way too limited range to allow loose formation.

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Posted by: Serraphin Storm.2369

Serraphin Storm.2369

IF you expect your pet to do all the work then the ai isn’t good enough. Those that don’t like the pet really don’t understand that removing the pet will do more harm than good. Bow damage is easily avoided. So removing the pet and giving all the damage to the Ranger would but rangers in a worst spot.

My pets do exactly what I need them to do from buffing to cc and kd. There is no reason why rangers cant melee. We are rangers not archers. Fact is melee has more damage and will most likely always be the case.

So opting to range while stack is often a bad choice (rarely its the right choice).

Every single video out there that is meant to show how bad the ai is; is often time a shining example of a ranger playing badly. The Ranger himself is doing nothing at all or is failing to manage his pet at a basic lvl.

While most believe that GW2 Ranger are bad I disagree. Even in guildwars one Ranger cant shoot will moving while melee can hit on the run. It is like that in most mmo that alone makes gw2 ranger an improvement.

Yes the ai isn’t perfect, but most of the issue are amplified when the ranger himself plays badly.

In order to properly understand the big picture,
everyone should fear becoming mentally clouded and obsessed with one small section of truth.

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Posted by: Gotejjeken.1267

Gotejjeken.1267

This is why I’d support a 80/20 for Ranger / Pet damage. More damage for me, less for my pet, and have my pet be more responsive with the F2 utilities.

Oh and for the love of God make the shortbow 1200 again.

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Posted by: MAD CAT.9321

MAD CAT.9321

the only way a ranger can be useful in fractals / dungeons is to be forced to spec spotter / frost spirit and that KITTEN LITTER STINKS

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Posted by: ReesesPBC.4603

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Oh look, another thread talking about all the problems we already know are there…. Would you mind coming up with suggestions on how to fix this and then put that in the CDI thread when it’s made Wednesday? It’d help a lot more than screaming at the choir.

Speaking of which, why haven’t they made it already? Even just a dedicated CDI Ranger thread will probably get a 1.5 year delay.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Oh look, another thread talking about all the problems we already know are there…. Would you mind coming up with suggestions on how to fix this and then put that in the CDI thread when it’s made Wednesday? It’d help a lot more than screaming at the choir.

Speaking of which, why haven’t they made it already? Even just a dedicated CDI Ranger thread will probably get a 1.5 year delay.

Yeah I just checked for it today (was supposed to go up yesterday) haven’t seen it, which upsets me because I was gonna type up a list…

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Posted by: ilr.9675

ilr.9675

Oh look, another thread talking about all the problems we already know are there…. Would you mind coming up with suggestions on how to fix this

Yeah. I got the only one that’s actually going to work:
STOP PLAYING. (like I did). Stop giving them any more money.

They’re playing nothing but PR musical-chairs now days, even their response to latest quarterly earnings: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/89901-ncsoft-4th-quarter-earnings-report/
…was all spin no-real-hope. (in a year when not only the DOW is doing way better than it actually should be, so is the Nasdaq!). And most of all, stop generating positive Datamining sets for their convenience and pre-biased expectations.

Even most ‘indy’ games have better PvE balance than this one does. STOP being one of those statistics of players who keeps on playing a game long after they no longer found it really enjoyable. Stop making excuses. As soon as everyone stops making excuses to keep logging in, they’ll have no choice but to stop making their own excuses.

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Posted by: trunks.5249

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In PVP DPS and Healing are king. The ranger is not capable of producing enough DPS to outperform the other classes in this game. They are incapable of healing themselves fast enough to survive PVP in this game because of the lack of armor protection making them an ideal target for high damage results. As soon as you heal your health will be right back down.

[/quote] not good in pvp or WvW? you dont know how to play ranger then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWj8G7XU-YI&feature=youtu.be i have that build and i have no troubles at all in fact i don’t use any of my other toons for pvp anymore just my ranger and pets i made a post telling how my sweet little lynx killed a Mesmer by him self

master jedi david

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Oh look, another thread talking about all the problems we already know are there…. Would you mind coming up with suggestions on how to fix this

Yeah. I got the only one that’s actually going to work:
STOP PLAYING. (like I did). Stop giving them any more money.

They’re playing nothing but PR musical-chairs now days, even their response to latest quarterly earnings: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/89901-ncsoft-4th-quarter-earnings-report/
…was all spin no-real-hope. (in a year when not only the DOW is doing way better than it actually should be, so is the Nasdaq!). And most of all, stop generating positive Datamining sets for their convenience and pre-biased expectations.

Even most ‘indy’ games have better PvE balance than this one does. STOP being one of those statistics of players who keeps on playing a game long after they no longer found it really enjoyable. Stop making excuses. As soon as everyone stops making excuses to keep logging in, they’ll have no choice but to stop making their own excuses.

I’ve NEVER been someone who plays something I don’t find fun, GW2 is still fun, and as long as it keeps having 2 week updates I’ll at the very least log on for that content before taking a nothing break again.

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna