Guild Wars 2

Hello fellow rangers! I’m gonna try the spirit build for the first time, so I’ve got a question: is it wise to pick up sun spirit AND torch? I read that burning stacks duration…but with Sun Spirit is there a chance for burning to be always already up, thus making torch pretty useless? Thank you! Oh…and what about picking RaO over the Elite Spirit? Is it a non-sense? I really LOVE the stability it gives and I feel dead without it…Thank you all my friends!

Sun Spirit is enough as the proc chance is rather high and as you said, the duration stacks. Most people use dagger for the evades or horn for the crit bleeds and fury.

Ok thank you and what about the Elite?

People usually use the sun spirit. I personally don’t run spirits and prefer a crit build and use rampage as one. But yea, if you run a spirit build most use the nature spirit. It takes some practice to use it though so don’t give up if you’re new with it.

The buff from sun spirit will let you burn for 3 sec every 10 sec (actually a bit less if it takes longer to proc, but 35% is pretty reliable). So if you and the pet are attacking the same target, that’s up to 6 sec every 10 sec. If you have condition duration extensions, you can get this up to constant burning. But by itself it’s not going to be constant (unless you’re in a group).

Personally I found torch alone was enough for constant burning, and sun spirit/flame trap was redundant (only used flame trap if I expected to need AOE).

Torch 4 is a 6 sec burn every 15 sec or 40% (12 sec if traited – 50%).
Torch 5 is a 8 sec burn every 25 sec or 32% (20 sec if traited – 40%).

So between the off-hand trait and some duration extension, you can see how you can hit 100% between the two skills. Do note that condition duration primarily affects torch 4 since it’s a straight 6 sec burn. Torch 5 applies eight 1-sec burns, so you need 100% condition duration to get extra burn time from it.

Solandri.9640:

The buff from sun spirit will let you burn for 3 sec every 10 sec (actually a bit less if it takes longer to proc, but 35% is pretty reliable). So if you and the pet are attacking the same target, that’s up to 6 sec every 10 sec. If you have condition duration extensions, you can get this up to constant burning. But by itself it’s not going to be constant (unless you’re in a group).

Personally I found torch alone was enough for constant burning, and sun spirit/flame trap was redundant (only used flame trap if I expected to need AOE).

Torch 4 is a 6 sec burn every 15 sec or 40% (12 sec if traited – 50%).
Torch 5 is a 8 sec burn every 25 sec or 32% (20 sec if traited – 40%).

So between the off-hand trait and some duration extension, you can see how you can hit 100% between the two skills. Do note that condition duration primarily affects torch 4 since it’s a straight 6 sec burn. Torch 5 applies eight 1-sec burns, so you need 100% condition duration to get extra burn time from it.

If you trait, the proc chance is 70% with no internal cooldown. You can keep it up 100% with the spirit alone. This then frees up your offhand for a dagger for an extra evade or the horn for fury and eagles which hit 10x iirc? Each with a chance to crit thus applying another bleed if you have the trait. Shortbow is usually used in the other hand because of the daze and another evade.

Sun spirit does have an icd. The only spirit that doesn’t have ICD is frost.

Zenith.7301:

Sun spirit does have an icd. The only spirit that doesn’t have ICD is frost.

I’ll have to double check then. I know I’m keeping burning up without sigils or runes with the spirit alone. Honestly can’t remember my build atm though. Don’t think I have 30 in marks still, but I could be wrong.

It has an ICD, but works with any minions. Pets also trigger the burning. If you run the rock dog, that too triggers the burning.

So from pet and you alone you probably have 8 seconds of burning.

The key issue here is cleansing, and that’s why you bring the torch, so you can space out burning applications, bait the cleanse, and then reapply with a different source.

Torch also gives you bonfire, which is just amazing. You can stand on it to punish people training you alongised spirit actives, and you can leap on it for a fire aura for further burning plus might stacks from fire aura.

Atherakhia.4086:

If you trait, the proc chance is 70% with no internal cooldown. You can keep it up 100% with the spirit alone.

Just tested it in the Mists. It’s the same as without the trait. After it procs, there’s always at least 10 sec (10 attacks with longbow autoattack) before it’ll proc again.

Without the trait (35% chance) it was usually 2-4 attacks before it proc’ed (so 12-14 sec from previous proc). WIth the trait (70%) it was usually 1-2 attacks before it proc’ed (11-12 sec from previous proc). As expected.

That’s very odd then. It must be as zenith said that everyone else is also procing it into my burn stack. I had like 2.5 minute burn on a boss the other day.

Yes, the sun spirit is a group proc buff that works even on minions. Those necrmonacer minions? they all proc burning. The hyena summoning other hyenas? More burning procs from each.

It’s also partly why so many people are whining about spirit ranger, because on top of the necro and engineer dropping aoe condition bombs, the spirit ranger gives the whole group burning.