Guild Wars 2

I may not be a Ranger Primary, but like some here I’ve played many MMORPGs.

This is the very first game I have played where my own guild officers who love their ranger classes to death have called it quits on the class. Not just them but actually a lot on my friendlist have actually called it quits on Ranger.

I have not seen this before.
A Class that is undergoing extinction in WvW due to the fact it has almost nothing it can do better than other classes. In fact even the pet AI is messed up and it doesn’t work in human vs human.

I have eight characters, five of them to 80, working on the last three and I always thought the idea of balancing was to actually make classes more viable rather than less.

….I don’t want to see a reply saying “learn to play” as I trust my friends like there is no tomorrow when they try and try and find that at the rate Ranger is going, its better to roll practically anything else.

You are lucky that Rangers are choosing to continue playing this game by rolling another character class. Its far too much kindness as I would have left to a game that actually supports their playstyle.

I mean…I remember playing PvE with a ranger and it took a while to actually hit triple digit numbers using certain skills while a warrior was able to hit four digit damage numbers early on.

Really, thanks…..
I urge rangers who feel discriminated to rather than roll another class, to actually take a break from the game in protest as its not fair to be treated like garbage.

…and yeah! If you are the worse class and have to grind 4000 hours to reach max WvW skill cap, then this game just became grindier than Lineage 2, which was at one point the Grindiest game in existence.

Great Job at going back on your word. Knowing Ranger, it would take 5000+ hours. :P So much for having a real life.

Take penetrating shot and you’ll get more kills than any other class, making it easier to level in WvW.

That’s not the issue with rangers, there are so many other issues though….

I’m done playing this game. I will check back on update days but that’s it. ESO beta is right around the corner.

Cant do anything better? A 15 second cd on 3 traps that devestate an area with pets that crit 3k+?

Traps are bugged though. They glitch to within 900 range of the ranger when they trigger, which causes the effect not to land at all (except for part of the spike trap).

The day will come when Rangers have no regrets leaving this game for another one.
Just saying

They’ve Killed us Long Ago, they just kept us Alive as Zombies.

I saw more rangers in tier 1 yesterday than I ever have before…so…yeah. Anecdotes.

“I saw more rangers in tier 1 yesterday than I ever have before…so…yeah. Anecdotes.
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So? Yes, any class that runs around with 50+ other people will do decent, no matter what. Doesn’t mean that ranger isn’t getting gutted every month , doesn’t mean that ranger is a very subpar class compared to all the others. Just not sure what your point is by even typing this sentence.

Comments like this kitten me off, and you seem to defend every nerf we get but then turn around and make a ‘well, what can we do now lets be positive here’ thread because of how bad we got kitten on AGAIN this month by the patches being released.

Just confused in general on your overall mentality of ranger, do you even play a ranger?

As the saying goes, You Can’t Kill Something That’s Already Dead

I mean Chopps let’s be honest here, it’s very CLEAR from your posts on the ranger forums that you probably do mostly pve and fight in low tier battles in pvp if any pvp at all. If you had any knowledge of fighting ANY good player in a 1on1, a group skirmish or even a competitive zerg situation you would NEVER in your right mind defend the patches for rangers these last 2 months, you simply wouldn’t be doing it.

So if you wanna duel sometime in spvp I just want to see how good you are and size you up for all of this kitten talk defending of the nerfs that you do nonchalantly as if everything’s alright and it’s just not.

I will be retiring my ranger to a life of town clothes and crafting ….

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

My Ranger has been hanging out at world bosses these past few weeks or helping refugees in Wayfarers when Maw isn’t up yet. Not much else to do at the moment.

Kinda like the time when I only logged on my Ranger because she was at the rich ori node in Southsun.

Oh well…

Forzani.2584:

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

Says you, and who are you again? Yes the nerf hurt everyone but it killed a ranger build that was bad already. A trap build is now the only build that is any good at all and I hate that play style. Its OK I have not played in 2 weeks. I logged on last night to see for myself and it sucks. Oh and by the way most rangers do not use great sword except to run away. The fixes to it are mediocre at best.

Last 1.5month i spent nearly only on ranger WvWing trying to get more out of this class after re-gear. I, so many of you, will nearly stop any activity on my ranger for now. Basicly no good chances in last months, only several nerfs while other classes are boosted every patch.
I’m as well from EU tier 1. Tbh there are quite much no other rangers.

Forzani.2584:

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

Oh so many “dittos” to this.
It’s hard to beleive the vitriol of “RANGER RAGE!!!!”
ANet adjusts incrementally, here a little, there a little. I’m having a blast with the updates, especially enjoying great sword. I have to agreee with Forzani, if your gonna quit, go…and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

Hillaan.6904:

Forzani.2584:

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

Says you, and* who are you again?* Yes the nerf hurt everyone but it killed a ranger build that was bad already. A trap build is now the only build that is any good at all and I hate that play style. Its OK I have not played in 2 weeks. I logged on last night to see for myself and it sucks. Oh and by the way most rangers do not use great sword except to run away. The fixes to it are mediocre at best.

Who am I again ? How would you like that answered ? Who are you ?
I started playing in October and my main is a Ranger. I WvW 90% of the time and pvp maybe 5%. I am average at best and still win more than I lose. I have watched many many great Rangers in WvW pummel people….using a variety of different builds, so no, a trap build isn’t the only build that is “any good”

Absolutely Rangers have some things that need to be tightened up and adjusted. I don’t think many disagree with that. Too say that they are totally kitten is laughable.

Forzani.2584:

Hillaan.6904:

Forzani.2584:

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

Says you, and* who are you again?* Yes the nerf hurt everyone but it killed a ranger build that was bad already. A trap build is now the only build that is any good at all and I hate that play style. Its OK I have not played in 2 weeks. I logged on last night to see for myself and it sucks. Oh and by the way most rangers do not use great sword except to run away. The fixes to it are mediocre at best.

Who am I again ? How would you like that answered ? Who are you ?
I started playing in October and my main is a Ranger. I WvW 90% of the time and pvp maybe 5%. I am average at best and still win more than I lose. I have watched many many great Rangers in WvW pummel people….using a variety of different builds, so no, a trap build isn’t the only build that is “any good”

Absolutely Rangers have some things that need to be tightened up and adjusted. I don’t think many disagree with that. Too say that they are totally kitten is laughable.

We will have to agree to disagree. You love the game and your ranger that’s great. Many would call you a fanboy and I don’t mean that as an insult you are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

Nah, I get frustrated like the rest of you. Anet drives me crazy at times with some of their decisions. At times I honestly believe that during their weekly meetings they laugh their arses off after trolling the community with some of the “features” they have in the game. I could make a long list of things that I think are a joke.

This is a comment from a Warrior who just made a post titled ..“Well I Tried …”

He is upset after the haste nerf and how much he, and other Warriors relied on it. Pretty good read. The funny part is what he says near the end ..

“So this leaves me thinking this class is now officially and utterly broken and I will be playing my thief and ranger until it gets fixed”

lol

“Someone once told me the grass is much greener on the other side. Well I payed a visit, though it’s possible I missed it, it seemed different yet exactly the same.”

Ryan.8367:

I mean Chopps let’s be honest here, it’s very CLEAR from your posts on the ranger forums that you probably do mostly pve and fight in low tier battles in pvp if any pvp at all. If you had any knowledge of fighting ANY good player in a 1on1, a group skirmish or even a competitive zerg situation you would NEVER in your right mind defend the patches for rangers these last 2 months, you simply wouldn’t be doing it.

So if you wanna duel sometime in spvp I just want to see how good you are and size you up for all of this kitten talk defending of the nerfs that you do nonchalantly as if everything’s alright and it’s just not.

I fight in T1 and T2 WvW, in sPVP and tPVP and I think you’re full of kitten.

Forzani.2584:

This is a comment from a Warrior who just made a post titled ..“Well I Tried …”

He is upset after the haste nerf and how much he, and other Warriors relied on it. Pretty good read. The funny part is what he says near the end ..

“So this leaves me thinking this class is now officially and utterly broken and I will be playing my thief and ranger until it gets fixed”

lol

That’s pretty lol.
Also a pretty good example of the rubbish these forums are.

“I fight in T1 and T2 WvW, in sPVP and tPVP and I think you’re full of kitten.”

Where am I full of kitten? Explain please.

This from the Mesmer forums asking “Who else is rolling a Warrior”

……“Im tired of Mesmer’s getting hit with the nerf bat so I rolled one, Wondering if anyone else did. This is reminding me of Diablo 3.”

Just because a server is high tier does not mean it houses the best players. Especially for skirmishes. On IoJ there are a lot of small scale battles. Therefore I fancy myself to be very good in 1vX battles. I think the changes to ranger so far have been great. Sure I cried a bit inside with empathetic bond, quickness, and our pet skills not recharging on pet swap. However all of those were fair changes. I adapted my build and continued on my way. I am a ranger for life. All you other wannabes can go play a different class.

Joey.3928:

However all of those were fair changes. I adapted my build and continued on my way. I am a ranger for life. All you other wannabes can go play a different class.

Well, lets give Joey a gold star …

I have over 1k hrs logged on my ranger, been my main since game launched. In the beginning the ranger was a fun class to play, I soloed all the PvE map exploration, I have 100% world on my ranger. Did a lot of dungeon runs, including Arah story. Still think players like me are wannabes??

Patch after patch the ranger class has become worse and worse to play. I haven’t been in a dungeon on my ranger since my guardian hit lvl 80 in Jan. I don’t go near Orr anymore on my ranger, my guardian does that, Frostgorge is the only high-level map my ranger goes to now.

My ranger is power/crit and I like using dual bows or LB/GS. QZ has been on my utility bar forever, is has been an integral part of my build for as long as I have been playing the class.

I don’t want to play a condition/trap or a bunker beastmaster ranger, I want to play the style/build I want to play. But now this build has become so sub-par, even starter and mid-level zones are a chore. I can forget about ever stepping into a dungeon again on my ranger ..

So yes, I am going to play another class …

@ Bri – I’m with you!!

@OP – Pick up a greatsword. Or you could also… you know…. learn what your classes strengths and weaknesses are in regards to the ranged weapons. cough ranged support cough

Summary of QQ: “I want my class to do something that it’s not designed for” Well… I want my thief to tank!

p.s. Been having oodles of fun today killing thieves, guardians, and their friends by myself. GS/SB. Tier 1.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

@OP – Pick up a greatsword. Or you could also… you know…. learn what your classes strengths and weaknesses are in regards to the ranged weapons. cough ranged support cough

Summary of QQ: “I want my class to do something that it’s not designed for” Well… I want my thief to tank!

p.s. Been having oodles of fun today killing thieves, guardians, and their friends by myself. GS/SB. Tier 1.

I run sb/gs and rarely lose a 1v1 in T2. I used to think rangers were weak but the more I learn and refine my build the more I realised they are balanced. They are just VERY hard to learn.

Sube Dai.8496:

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

@OP – Pick up a greatsword. Or you could also… you know…. learn what your classes strengths and weaknesses are in regards to the ranged weapons. cough ranged support cough

Summary of QQ: “I want my class to do something that it’s not designed for” Well… I want my thief to tank!

p.s. Been having oodles of fun today killing thieves, guardians, and their friends by myself. GS/SB. Tier 1.

I run sb/gs and rarely lose a 1v1 in T2. I used to think rangers were weak but the more I learn and refine my build the more I realised they are balanced. They are just VERY hard to learn.

I am working o exactly that build too.
With the two stuns on #5, do you trait the stun?
What does the “opportunity for an attack” mean?
Could you post your build? I will try 30/10/30/0/0 (signet), knights gear and valkyrie trinkets and weaps. Im thinking about divinity runes but might tage differen critdamage runes aswell. ogre maybe. just cant decide.

Gives tons of survivability, toughness and life with good crit and critical damage. Also you can burst a gc in like 2 seconds.

I LOVE THIS PATCH

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

@OP – Pick up a greatsword. Or you could also… you know…. learn what your classes strengths and weaknesses are in regards to the ranged weapons. cough ranged support cough

Summary of QQ: “I want my class to do something that it’s not designed for” Well… I want my thief to tank!

p.s. Been having oodles of fun today killing thieves, guardians, and their friends by myself. GS/SB. Tier 1.

Right …
And expecting a ranger to actually be viable at range combat is like expecting a thief to tank?? Please, go back to whatever you were playing before …

A greatsword?? Pull one of those out in any dungeon party, and after a good round of laughter, you will be kicked out.

As for your ps comment, even if true, only proves there are a lot of very crap players in PvP/WvW .

Stop crying, as a spvp/tpvp player i can say rangeres is good.
Ok longbow is not viable in spvp/tpvp, all clases have weaponsetts that is not optimal.
Atleast we have two good builds, several classes have one and warriors now have zero.

No Walking.6349:

Take penetrating shot and you’ll get more kills than any other class, making it easier to level in WvW.

That’s not the issue with rangers, there are so many other issues though….

A Eng with piercing bullets can hit way more than any other class in game excluding siege. Only way penetrating shot can hit more is if everyone was lined up in straight line. Eng pierce works on explosion of explosive shoot. So it hits people next to and behind kinda like a chain reaction. In the Lords room of hills in that tunnel I have had my screen covered in popup numbers it is insane.

Edit : Correction when i said “Only way penetrating shot can hit more is if everyone was lined up in straight line.” that is not true as Eng will all so hit all people in line.

Rangers have not been killed for me and I have 6 maxxed toons. After QZ became a stun breaker and started using sword/dagger and short bow (usually do sb/lb) I been loving the more evasion + unstopablility during one on ones. Plus been seeing a lot of rangers curb stomping thieves in one on one as of late in WvW. Rangers are far from dead.

bri.2359:

Right …
And expecting a ranger to actually be viable at range combat is like expecting a thief to tank?? Please, go back to whatever you were playing before …

A greatsword?? Pull one of those out in any dungeon party, and after a good round of laughter, you will be kicked out.

As for your ps comment, even if true, only proves there are a lot of very crap players in PvP/WvW .

Maybe if you took the time to learn your enemy, what their professions and builds are capable of and incapable of… you would be able to do what myself and the 2 posters after me can do.

This isn’t a first person shooter. It’s not who can jump out and shoot the other one in the face first. It’s about learning to adapt and counter what your enemy brings to the table. I spec for 190% vigor, because I learned that dodge is a straight counter to everything, with the exception of stun… which is why I carry a stun breaker.

Also the dps on GS is actually pretty nasty now. I hit 3.5k crits with my maul, which is on a 4 3/4 second cooldown, and I am built and spec’d tanky…. not even glass.

Best way to refine your capabilities is to either roam solo, or to play spvp (even if all skills and statistics don’t behave in the same way as wvw)

P.S. Last time I took my ranger GS into a dungeon, my party remarked how they never knew how tanky the GS was (kept outliving a pretty decent guardian)… oh and I was underleveled with half my spec and bad gear (killed many people in wvw like that too) Now personally… I mostly just wvw but I did level most of my 80’s through dungeons, and have played every path extensively with the exception of arah path 4 and a few stories. Here is a tip: Make your own parties, and no one gets to cry about anything.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

bri.2359:

Right …
And expecting a ranger to actually be viable at range combat is like expecting a thief to tank?? Please, go back to whatever you were playing before …

A greatsword?? Pull one of those out in any dungeon party, and after a good round of laughter, you will be kicked out.

As for your ps comment, even if true, only proves there are a lot of very crap players in PvP/WvW .

Maybe if you took the time to learn your enemy, what their professions and builds are capable of and incapable of… you would be able to do what myself and the 2 posters after me can do.

This isn’t a first person shooter. It’s not who can jump out and shoot the other one in the face first. It’s about learning to adapt and counter what your enemy brings to the table. I spec for 190% vigor, because I learned that dodge is a straight counter to everything, with the exception of stun… which is why I carry a stun breaker.

Also the dps on GS is actually pretty nasty now. I hit 3.5k crits with my maul, which is on a 4 3/4 second cooldown, and I am built and spec’d tanky…. not even glass.

Best way to refine your capabilities is to either roam solo, or to play spvp (even if all skills and statistics don’t behave in the same way as wvw)

P.S. Last time I took my ranger GS into a dungeon, my party remarked how they never knew how tanky the GS was (kept outliving a pretty decent guardian)… oh and I was underleveled with half my spec and bad gear (killed many people in wvw like that too) Now personally… I mostly just wvw but I did level most of my 80’s through dungeons, and have played every path extensively with the exception of arah path 4 and a few stories. Here is a tip: Make your own parties, and no one gets to cry about anything.

I’m built pretty tanky too and noticed a nice damage increase with maul as well.

Joey.3928:

I’m built pretty tanky too and noticed a nice damage increase with maul as well.

Some of the number crunchers had made a thread somewhere that it was effectively upping the maul damage by about 34% or something. Very nice when it crits.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

bri.2359:

Right …
And expecting a ranger to actually be viable at range combat is like expecting a thief to tank?? Please, go back to whatever you were playing before …

A greatsword?? Pull one of those out in any dungeon party, and after a good round of laughter, you will be kicked out.

As for your ps comment, even if true, only proves there are a lot of very crap players in PvP/WvW .

Also the dps on GS is actually pretty nasty now. I hit 3.5k crits with my maul, which is on a 4 3/4 second cooldown, and I am built and spec’d tanky…. not even glass.

P.S. Last time I took my ranger GS into a dungeon, my party remarked how they never knew how tanky the GS was (kept outliving a pretty decent guardian)… oh and I was underleveled with half my spec and bad gear (killed many people in wvw like that too) Now personally… I mostly just wvw but I did level most of my 80’s through dungeons, and have played every path extensively with the exception of arah path 4 and a few stories. Here is a tip: Make your own parties, and no one gets to cry about anything.

I guess someone never used GS in a dungeon. I laughed about that comment. GS is amazing in dungeons. I’ve had the same reaction from PUG groups also in dungeons when I pull out my GS. The damage increase on Maul it is now pretty good.

i’ll have to agree on the gs issue but still its our pets we need help…. I’ve tried everything to keep them alive in every fight its just hard when the cooldown to revive one is a a min when both are dead maybe if the cooldown was 30 secs it be more viable

Setsunayaki.4907:

I mean…I remember playing PvE with a ranger and it took a while to actually hit triple digit numbers using certain skills while a warrior was able to hit four digit damage numbers early on.

This could be solved by merging the display of pet dmg and ranger dmg. We don’t see big numbers early on because our dps is split with a pet and our class is balanced around that.

That said, there definately needs to be some meaningful improvements to the traits, worthless utils and poor pet AI to get the class up to par with the others.

BroScientist.9875:

I’m done playing this game. I will check back on update days but that’s it. ESO beta is right around the corner.

Thanks for the heads up! Signed up.

My Ranger is alive and well. Did a few dungeons just fine. Shot down a dragon or two since the patch.

Then again my build didn’t rely on quickness from pet swap.

Nike.2631:

My Ranger is alive and well. Did a few dungeons just fine. Shot down a dragon or two since the patch.

Then again my build didn’t rely on quickness from pet swap.

Same here. Just did Caudecus Manor paths 1 and 2 with a party containing of 2 engineers and 3 rangers. Only a single wipe, and we managed to take down every enemy in our way without problems. I’ve never felt stronger than I did in those runs.

I got 500 hrs on my rangers, nearly 30% of my playtime. but thats the first part of my playtime (got 1500 hrs) the rest is guardian and warrior.
I gave up, i wanted and still want for the class the be up with the rest, but after 7 months it doesn’t look like it’s going to be. Pets misbehave too much, damage is actually “ok” but i don’t bring anything to my group. spirits are basically 1 or 2 shotted, yay for talents right? This class has needed changes since the second month of this game, and all we keep getting is broken promises of fixes. i wanted to make Kudzu on my ranger, that was my goal since i started with gw2. Guess what, i’m making Eternity for my warrior now.

ALERT! Paid people sharing counter-opinions on our problems!

Forzani.2584:

They didn’t kill the Ranger. Far from it.

QZ nerf ? I would suggest that the quickness nerf hit Warriors harder than us….since a higher percentage of Warriors had it on their bar than Rangers had it on their bar. Go read their forums. They whine almost as much as Rangers.

Thiefs also relied heavily on haste….again, more than Rangers did. Plus they got another second added to stealth reveal timer+ culling fix will also hurt them in WvW.

A haste nerf across the boards does not mean it effects Rangers more than any other class.

Add in the GS buff…and it rocks now. overall after this patch Rangers are ahead of where they were a couple of days ago.

So everyone in the pity party can relax. Although no matter what happens in any patch you’re going to find something to whine about. Hell you could win a million dollars in the lottery and still whine because of all the taxes you are charged. If you’re gonna quit, then quit. Send Anet a parting farewell and be on your way.

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that the impact of the quickness nerf totally depends on your build? Trapper rangers and beastmasters are probably better off after the patch (particularly the ones who use greatsword). Berserker rangers have been crushed. Longbow damage was destroyed (barrage pvp damage took a hard 25% damage nerf), and while it was partially compensated for by the boosted GS damage in PvE, that damage buff is moot in PvP as glass cannon ranger can’t melee. The only solution for us is to switch LB to SB in WvW, which is a completely different playstyle (single target skirmishing vs AoE zerging and sieging, and condition trappers are much better at that anyway), or change build altogether and go with traps or beast.

What really gets me is that I’m almost convinced that the devs don’t understand the real implications of the nerf to the longbow, I reckon they just look at the base math the way so many threads here do without taking into account how ranger weapons actually play. They’re the ones that said they wanted more build diversity, yet they destroyed our glass cannon option.

actually berserker shortbow rangers use quickness a kittening lot, gotta get them ones out lol. I play sb/gs berserker and the quickness nerf was pretty big but in time ill figure something else out. went back to lb/sb for now while getting the creative juices flowing for my next build.

Robyn Yew.6072:

actually berserker shortbow rangers use quickness a kittening lot, gotta get them ones out lol. I play sb/gs berserker and the quickness nerf was pretty big but in time ill figure something else out. went back to lb/sb for now while getting the creative juices flowing for my next build.

Longbow was hit way harder. SB quickness was bugged, so apparently its damage has been reduced from 150% – 125%, while LB took the full 200% – 150% reduction. On shortbow, quickness is basically a temporary boost to your base damage (autoattack), while on Longbow you save it for your big spike skill, barrage, so the nerf hurts a lot more. Also, as you can’t really catch anyone in barrage for more than a couple of seconds tops, that extra second on QZ doesn’t compensate as much.

Essentially, quickness is a good buff for base damage, and an amazing buff for spike damage (hence why warriors are going nuts over this). Most rangers aren’t about spike, so they don’t feel that much pain beyond the useful 2 second pet swap buff for stomping, ressing, etc.

“I play sb/gs berserker and the quickness nerf was pretty big but in time ill figure something else out.”

QZ nerf hurt my overall build and playstyle including dmg, saying it hurt longbow way more idk. But as a side note, other professions that relied on this for quick burst kills got hit as bad also. In time people are just going to have to adapt. No more quick take downs means fights drag out longer which makes condition based builds that much better, but we will see.