Guild Wars 2

From the patch notes:

Ranger
Maul skill:
Increased base damage by 26%.

Maul (Greatsword #2 skill) previously had a coefficient of 1.120, and with the patch today, the damage coefficient is now 1.500 (test data here). That’s an increase of 34%!

Rangers OP now? :P

Can confirm this. Updated my thread aswell.

My calculated coefficients are 1.16 (old) and 1.57 (new). Overall I would say ranger GS beats warrior GS in PvP now. It comes very close in damage and offers a block and interrupt. This is all without the pet of course.

People will continue to say it is bad though because they want to play berserker bows.

Huh. Fascinating. Thanks for the data as always.

Dojo.1867:

Can confirm this. Updated my thread aswell.

My calculated coefficients are 1.16 (old) and 1.57 (new).

I’m still curious as to why we’re getting different numbers. At least we’re getting consistent results, if offset a little bit.

It certainly does seem to him very high (for a ranger).

Watch, next month we’ll see that they’ve reduced it to the stated values because it was bugged…

I’m really liking the look of gs now. Decent damage with a 3 second block on a 12 second cd traited.

Do note that the bleed was changed from 4 stacks for 3 sec (12 ticks of bleed total) to 3 stacks for 6 sec (18 ticks of bleed total). While that is an improvement, it’s not as big as the patch notes suggest (bleed duration increased to 6 sec would’ve resulted in 24 ticks of bleed total). And it does actually lower the DPS while the bleed is active, it just increases the time the bleed is active. Not that I’m complaining since that opens up more overhead for others to apply a 25 bleed stack, and it evens out the DPS of GS over time.

Tibbel.3450:

I’m still curious as to why we’re getting different numbers. At least we’re getting consistent results, if offset a little bit.

What traits and armor are you using? That you’re getting lower coefficients suggests Dojo and I have something boosting our stats a little.

Edit: Doh, forgot about the WvW bonuses. That could easily account for a ~5% difference.

You should have never revealed it. Now the whole class will be nerfed again because of this OP damage!

I am pretty sure that it was 3 bleed stacks for 4 seconds before because I checked it just a few hours before the patch came.
But thats almost the same result as 4 bleed stacks for 3 sec except if conditions are cleared.

Wow, I knew it felt stronger, but i didn’t think it was that big!

This is great news, I’m gonna use my GS more often now

Unfortunately, most of the QQers won’t even acknowledge that we’ve been buffed because they have tunnel vision on the specific buffs they want :/

On the one hand, I don’t like this because it feels like they are really trying to force Rangers into using Great Swords.

On the other hand.. at this point I’m just happy to get anything for Ranger that isn’t a step backward. I was using SB with Axe/Warhorn but I have switched to Short Bow/Great Sword because that’s the only thing that gets any attention for us.

I’m enjoying it.. it’s fun and the GS seems rather effective. It’s sad that we’ll all end up with the exact same build one day, but at least that 1 single build might actually be viable.

Most of the wvw I’m involved in using GS would be like committing suicide, but I’m glad they buffed any of our skills.

It still doesn’t help the main problem, which is that in any decent sized fight your pets are dead more often than alive and as a result your damage is kitten (and please, assume I do know how to control my pets). Having your pet stand beside doing nothing isn’t an option- that’s just admitting the whole problem, which is pets are useless when it comes to avoiding aoe, etc and they will never be able to fix that.

They are worried any buff to pets would make them OP in pve where the mobs are either dumb or predictable.

There is a simple solution- I Will Avenge You. pet dies, you get a 30 second buff to your damage and attack speed (basically to make up for the fact your pets are dead and otherwise you are kitten .

For roaming, I might have to dust off the GS- although it does make me wonder about the definition of ‘masters of long range damage’ when they buff a melee weapon on what is apparently supposed to be a ranged class…

Ya Maul is awesome now.

It’s 26% if you count it from the end result (1.5*0.74=1.16) but it’s 34% from the start (1.16*1.34=1.55)

Anet just gave us the wrong number – not a bug

Victory.2879:

Most of the wvw I’m involved in using GS would be like committing suicide, but I’m glad they buffed any of our skills.

It still doesn’t help the main problem, which is that in any decent sized fight your pets are dead more often than alive and as a result your damage is kitten (and please, assume I do know how to control my pets). Having your pet stand beside doing nothing isn’t an option- that’s just admitting the whole problem, which is pets are useless when it comes to avoiding aoe, etc and they will never be able to fix that.

They are worried any buff to pets would make them OP in pve where the mobs are either dumb or predictable.

There is a simple solution- I Will Avenge You. pet dies, you get a 30 second buff to your damage and attack speed (basically to make up for the fact your pets are dead and otherwise you are kitten .

For roaming, I might have to dust off the GS- although it does make me wonder about the definition of ‘masters of long range damage’ when they buff a melee weapon on what is apparently supposed to be a ranged class…

Greatsword committig suicide in wvw? Really? It’s the only weapon I use and it’s not uncommon for me to be running around with 25 stacks of corruption with my greatsword, especially on a reset night when we’re “Serious” with a capital S.

I run Martial Mastery, son. Who said ranger’s are ranged? Sword/dagger and greatsword condition damage build. GG

Solandri.9640:

Do note that the bleed was changed from 4 stacks for 3 sec (12 ticks of bleed total) to 3 stacks for 6 sec (18 ticks of bleed total). While that is an improvement, it’s not as big as the patch notes suggest (bleed duration increased to 6 sec would’ve resulted in 24 ticks of bleed total). And it does actually lower the DPS while the bleed is active, it just increases the time the bleed is active. Not that I’m complaining since that opens up more overhead for others to apply a 25 bleed stack, and it evens out the DPS of GS over time.

Tibbel.3450:

I’m still curious as to why we’re getting different numbers. At least we’re getting consistent results, if offset a little bit.

What traits and armor are you using? That you’re getting lower coefficients suggests Dojo and I have something boosting our stats a little.

Edit: Doh, forgot about the WvW bonuses. That could easily account for a ~5% difference.

I test in the heart of the mists with the weapons that don’t have a range. Coldn’t it really just be a curving result? I get rather low numbers on the golem like 32 for autoattacks so since Tibbels runs multiple tests his numbers might just be better.

I find it ironic that people call GS suicide weapon while it is basically an offhand shield now. Sure if you run into 8 people alone you will die. That is not how it works though. You have a disengage and a block do backup your escape.

Btw if any of you still has autotargetting enabled in WvW you should change that and try the weapon again. This option basically cripples any defensive use of Swoop.

Relativity.3264:

It’s 26% if you count it from the end result (1.5*0.74=1.16) but it’s 34% from the start (1.16*1.34=1.55)

Anet just gave us the wrong number – not a bug

Yay!

I love the new maul… i almost two shot a thief with maul in PvP… i feel dirty….

And the thief one shots you xDDD

Geshque.1326:

And the thief one shots you xDDD

Hardly, i was wearing soldiers armor at the time.

yep, Maul is terrific now. It hits very hard and the CD is short so you can use it quite often.

Edit: In fact during WvW yesterday I had a nice 1v1 against a Warrior. He had blown his HB so I decided why not, lets go toe to toe with him. My GS + Panther at minimum was a draw damage wise vs his GS.

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

Look, Look our first person with no clue has posted!

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

People use it for the utility. #4 is a friggin Aegis while it’s charging up, #5 interrupts and dazes, #3 is amazing for escaping from battle and for closing the gap on escaping enemies (plus that leap finisher), and #2 hits like a truck. #1’s only useful part is the 3rd strike, which while taking a while on the windup, evades EVERYTHING on that windup. I keep it on me just for the utility alone, since I never know when I’m going to need a hasty retreat or a few blocks while changing my position in battle.

Yes you sure will outrun people with 25% speed signets and perma swiftness.
Good thing we have that overpowered leap, it will totally save us if we use it right.

Arekai.5698:

Yes you sure will outrun people with 25% speed signets.
Good thing we have that overpowered leap, it will totally save us if we use it right.

Not sure if you’re serious or not. We also have 25% speed signets too, you know?

Arekai.5698:

Yes you sure will outrun people with 25% speed signets and perma swiftness.
Good thing we have that overpowered leap, it will totally save us if we use it right.

Seeing as how you can close 1.1k in about 2s, AND we have SotH, and seeing as how mail hits like a freight the active is no longer useless… Yes, yes we can…

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

capuchinseven.8395:

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

Try 10k =).

I’ll try to post screenshots later (At work ATM)

Ursan.7846:

capuchinseven.8395:

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

Try 10k =).

I’ll try to post screenshots later (At work ATM)

Jesus really? I landed 4k with 1900 power yesterday and was pretty impressed but went back to single sword (not because GS is bad, single sword just suits me better. I just like the evades over the block).

capuchinseven.8395:

Ursan.7846:

capuchinseven.8395:

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

Try 10k =).

I’ll try to post screenshots later (At work ATM)

Jesus really? I landed 4k with 1900 power yesterday and was pretty impressed but went back to single sword (not because GS is bad, single sword just suits me better. I just like the evades over the block).

Yeah I did the same (the switch), however I did 2 shot a GC thief with maul… I was afraid about what the new meta may evolve into…

PS: mine was powered up by SoTH boost + crit

Ursan.7846:

capuchinseven.8395:

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

Try 10k =).

I’ll try to post screenshots later (At work ATM)

How the hell did you get 10k? o_O

jubskie.3152:

Ursan.7846:

capuchinseven.8395:

Arekai.5698:

Who the kitten uses greatsword?
I laugh at everyone who attacks me with that thing. People who use it do only one thing, show that they are weak as kitten.

3k Maul crits say you’re talking kitten.

Try 10k =).

I’ll try to post screenshots later (At work ATM)

How the hell did you get 10k? o_O

my take on this is that he went quite high into marksmanship trait tree, to gain access to opening strike always crits, then the 30 point trait that signets work for you, and popped signet of the hunt and signet of the wild as well as having a lot of crit damage is benefical. thats how i would see it done.

If he went that far in, the Signet of the Wild must’ve been in it too.

Here’s the attachment. And yea, I used the two signets.

Ursan.7846:

Here’s the attachment. And yea, I used the two signets.

Nice….However I think you’ll run into the same problem many of us face when using Greatsword in PvP..

People moving..

It is possible to do it on players, But its really niche, and its a pain to land.

Tis the case for many attacks that hit quite hard.

I think it’s fair to say that a lot of attacks in the game that hit hard can be a pain to land, not all of course but we’re not alone in trying to land hard hits.

10k dmg with Maul can only be done if you’ve specced GC and hit a GC as well, AND preloading signet of the hunter. It’s neat, but not competitively viable.
It’s a cool buff, but in reality it has not really done anything for the ranger since quickness (huge dmg source) has been nerfed.