Guild Wars 2

Hello,

I know my title is fairly negative, so let me talk a little about my experience with the Ranger class.

First: I want to love Ranger (most of us do). I currently have 5 level 80’s: Mesmer, Guardian, Necro, Engineer and Ranger.

I will say hands down, in every aspect the ranger lags behind the other classes, and to be honest, it always has. The recent nerf only further pushed the ranger into the pure crap class area.

When I first leveled a ranger to 80 I envisioned, based on Anets description of the class a bow welding distance class, unfortunately though we are anything but that. Anyone who has tried to run a lb/sb or lb anything build has for the most part seen how terrible it is.

So instead many of us fell on the short bow, it did decent damage and when combined with a trap build made a fun class, but NOT OP. To see short-bow range get the nerf for ranger is just unreal to me, the fact that Anet saw this as something to spend time on I just can’t wrap my head around.

The problem with the ranger is that they have no clear distinction of what exactly they are supposed to be, Anet has made it worse by not talking with the ranger community, not incorporating any ranger feedback into their tweaks, and, based on their nerfs, not fully understanding the class at all.

I wonder if anyone at Anet has ever tried running a ranger in WvW or dungeons?

Rangers can do spike damage, but are far from the best at it.
Rangers can apply conditions, but are far from the best at it.
Rangers cannot tank.
Rangers can provide some group support, if they totally kitten themselves.
Rangers are really not ‘masters’ of the bow.

It’s a shame, because this is the class I really want to spend my time playing, but, as someone who does a lot of WvW and a lot of dungeons, this class simply doesn’t cut it for either. Why would I bother with my ranger when all of the other four lvl 80’s I have are better then any build i can put together on my ranger? Why would I try to find a group for fractals, or dungeons with my ranger when most groups don’t even want rangers, but will kick someone for my guardian?

Why would I run my ranger in WvW? Rangers are a magnet for thieves, hands down, because thieves know how easy a ranger is.

It’s just shocking to me that Anet went after the ranger class, and really didn’t provide any real buffs to the class.

Sorry for this rant, I’m not saying there aren’t any good rangers out there, it’s just they have to work 100X harder than any other class to be good. I post this hoping (probably ignorantly) that some dev at Anet will take a look and go play a ranger themself.

I dare Anet to roll a ranger and go run dungeons with PUGS, go play in WvW in small groups and solo and post a video of them doing so. I would love to see that.

You might want to write your thoughts on Battosai’s earlier post. he will be invited to the State of The Game meeting next tuesday and, if we are lucky, we can get our voice heard there.

I dont like the title name, but I have to agree with your points, Anet needs to give some direction to this mess.

Op

Great post.

I encourage you to reword the title, so they won’t Infract it.

(all of your grea effort would be wasted)

Incorporated the advice, changed the title.

Awesome!! Glad you changed it.

Also write this in Battosai’s post, have solid points to ask in the interview.

>Why would I run my ranger in WvW? Rangers are a magnet for thieves, hands down, >because thieves know how easy a ranger is.

i notice thieves like to target me in WvW.
thing is, i am using Nature’s Protection, Bark Skin and Runes of the Earth.
Most thieves panic and run, some fight and die with birds pecking at thier corpses.

My fellow ranger stop acting like victims. Anet may be the creator of the game but they are not your daddy. You are giving tools and its you job to find a place in this world for yourself and the tools your given.

Yes some of the other classes are have a specific role. These roles are obvious and kind of pigeon wholes them in those roles. While the some rolls come easier to some class than others Ranger an able to will them all. Some roles better than others. While we may not be the be we adapt better than another class. For me that is our role the jack of trades.

For most of you balance is only about damage. It is not. You can QQ all you want about the short bow neft but really the buff is better. Like most of your damage was done at 900+ range.

Yes thieves target rangers but but the lose or win is based on your skill not your class. With that said a thief is easier to play.

People can complain about the Lb. The damage on the long bow has always been better that short bow at max range. The problem was it’s hard to keep that range.

You can QQ about the pet nerf to but its part of the balancing. We recieved pet buff last patch. With those buff it was determined pets were a bit to strong.

As for WvW the axe change is great. Being able to pull enemys from1200 is great. It easy to pull two invaders for a quick kill out of the enemy zerge.

Those of you who dont test the new change and just look at the number are the ones in disspear. I have even heard that beast master are doing better with the changes. (I wouldnt personally know).

It takes time to fully understand the changes in updates. Most of you havent even given it a weekend for things to develope.

Every single patch ranger cry that we have been nerfed even further. The fact is this the ranger class is better today than it was at any other point in the life of Gw2 Post release.

Evolution will weed out the weak among us so that we are stronger as a whole. We ranger are strong in body. We should not let our fears and douts weaken our minds.

It is poisonous to the mind and community to spout Anet conspricy theories.

So yes Rangers have a serious problem its not the body it’s our minds.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

My fellow ranger stop acting like victims. Anet may be the creator of the game but they are not your daddy. You are giving tools and its you job to find a place in this world for yourself and the tools your given.

Yes some of the other classes are have a specific role. These roles are obvious and kind of pigeon wholes them in those roles. While the some rolls come easier to some class than others Ranger an able to will them all. Some roles better than others. While we may not be the be we adapt better than another class. For me that is our role the jack of trades.

For most of you balance is only about damage. It is not. You can QQ all you want about the short bow neft but really the buff is better. Like most of your damage was done at 900+ range.

Yes thieves target rangers but but the lose or win is based on your skill not your class. With that said a thief is easier to play.

People can complain about the Lb. The damage on the long bow has always been better that short bow at max range. The problem was it’s hard to keep that range.

You can QQ about the pet nerf to but its part of the balancing. We recieved pet buff last patch. With those buff it was determined pets were a bit to strong.

As for WvW the axe change is great. Being able to pull enemys from1200 is great. It easy to pull two invaders for a quick kill out of the enemy zerge.

Those of you who dont test the new change and just look at the number are the ones in disspear. I have even heard that beast master are doing better with the changes. (I wouldnt personally know).

It takes time to fully understand the changes in updates. Most of you havent even given it a weekend for things to develope.

Every single patch ranger cry that we have been nerfed even further. The fact is this the ranger class is better today than it was at any other point in the life of Gw2 Post release.

Evolution will weed out the weak among us so that we are stronger as a whole. We ranger are strong in body. We should not let our fears and douts weaken our minds.

It is poisonous to the mind and community to spout Anet conspricy theories.

So yes Rangers have a serious problem its not the body it’s our minds.

You are missing the point. People choose rangers because of their play style that is kitting things and hitting foes from afar. None is saying that we can´t be good using melee weapons, that is not the point. So if you remove the one thing that make u choose that class you are basically killing the class.

A Net’s nerf hammer has tunnel vision for spvp. They wont take the common sense route of separating spvp, wvw and pve skills.

You dont have to use melee to be effective. The range on the short bow was neft while the damage was buffed. Bm build are still around they have given you ways to stack might so you damge is higher in a skill players hands.

Those that develope build and share will show you in a week or so that we are in a better place.

While some viewed the sb as our best weapo, it was a curse. Most ranger didn’t use the best tool for the job and just auto attack with the short bow. The first short bow nerf helped the ranger community develope more builds than any other patch. I believe this will do no less.

Here is a good suggestion! Remove pets, remove the beastmaster trait line and give us Dual wielding traitline. Traitline that solely supports the use of 1 main hand + 1 off hand weapon. Bows are useless anyway, longbow is barely usefull outside of PvE and shortbow USED to be good outside of PvE and people are only using dual weapons now anyway.

Toby.2357:

Here is a good suggestion! Remove pets, remove the beastmaster trait line and give us Dual wielding traitline. Traitline that solely supports the use of 1 main hand + 1 off hand weapon. Bows are useless anyway, longbow is barely usefull outside of PvE and shortbow USED to be good outside of PvE and people are only using dual weapons now anyway.

I would like the option to remove the Pet also, i do not ask for Dual wielding or damage boosts or traits removed, i’ll play without all that, i just ask to have a choice to use pets or not like the previous Guildwars did.

swiftpaw.6397:

A Net’s nerf hammer has tunnel vision for spvp. They wont take the common sense route of separating spvp, wvw and pve skills.

Very strange, considering that they did split skills in GW1.

Anet has already said they wont allow a perma per stow. So i think its unlikly they will get rid of them all together. More than anything else Ranger are a pet class.