Guild Wars 2

And I am dead serious.

1) BM rangers where OP, end of story. I specked BM for fun and facerolled 1 v 3 in WvW, without actually knowing what I am doing.
The nerf on Pets was needed, they were just too strong.
The Jaguars base damage wasn’T even reduced, just his F2 got a nerf and I can live with that!

2) Other Non-Pet focused builds got buffed with offhand Axe and LB damage increase
The spirit tree buffs offer some great choices for GS Warriors with Frost Spirit support (believe it or not, this build already was strong in sPVP)
Offhand Axe buff is just awesome, I was running Sw/Axe already and now I can rock even more – thanks ANet!
The Longbow buff was needed and we will see how much damage increase there will actually be. I expect not too much but still a noticable improvement.

3) SB nerf. The only thing I don’t get, but since everybody was running shortbow (if not BM specced) I can understand it somehow.

4)Trait Changes
Imho very good stuff. Some more tweeking for Signet Ranger required, but it got a lot better.
Healing on Shouts sounds fun, I will defenetly try this out.
This could become one of the best Bunker builds GW2 has seen.

TL;DR: Am I seriously the only one who thinks, the (leaked) Patch notes are a good thing for us? ANet offered 2-3 more viable builds with this by slightly nerfing the BM Bunker.

Thanks ANet!

While the shortbow range reduction is annoying in some circumstances, I’ll take the +14% damage BUFF thank you very much!

My pets’ auto attack took a nerf… * shrug *

Plenty of other little buffs to weave together into new builds. Gonna be a great month for people who spend their time experimenting instead of mourning.

Nike.2631:

While the shortbow range reduction is annoying in some circumstances, I’ll take the +14% damage BUFF thank you very much!

Er… The 14% damage buff is exclusive to 3 attacks that are there for utility , not damage. They don’t do any damage. Oh yay, 14% more damage! Our daze will do a whole 20 more damage. I’m as happy as they come!

Nike.2631:

While the shortbow range reduction is annoying in some circumstances, I’ll take the +14% damage BUFF thank you very much!

Yeah sure. I love having a 14% damage buff of a skill whose only use is in melee where mobs will nuke you down, or on a long CD skill whose whole purpose in to keep as an interupt, or on a skill intended to be a retreat skill.

All those skill aren’t ones you spam, they are utility skills whose use are very situational (and they are fine the way they are), the auto attack didn’t get any damage boost.
So you won’t see any 14% damage increase, you’ll only enjoy your damage decrease due to the pets damages being nerfed.

Aeri.5738:

And I am dead serious.

The Jaguars base damage wasn’T even reduced, just his F2 got a nerf and I can live with that!

Feline: Maul: Reduced damage by 50%.

This is why we need a PvP/PvE split. Pets got nerfed as hard as hell, with no buffs to our total dps. SB nerf was unnecessary and not compensated. Longbow buff is great, but it really only shines because its competition got nerfed. BM ranger was nowhere near op, if you can 3v1 I just wonder how stupid they are to ignore your pet (and entangle?) and take the damage, along with letting a ranger kill/stomp them somehow.

I have mixed feelings about the notes.
On one hand, I’m happy with some LB love and making pets smaller % of our dmg. On the other hand, LB buff isn’t exactly what I hoped for (tho if I’m right spamming autoattack will deal 20% more dps now) and the dmg we lost due to pet nerf didn’t come back anywhere, so we will (mostly) deal less overall dmg.
Trait changes are good, but the only one I really wanted – merging some of bow traits – didn’t happen.
SB nerf is bad balance-wise, but imho it fits this weapon. It was stupid short bow had max range in game (only traited LB has higher).

My only problem is, what pets use now. Who knows, maybe now even spiders dmg will be “ok”? xD

Speaking about BM being OP: it was. Not as much as some ppl think, but it was stronger than it should.

Minos.3450:

Yeah sure. I love having a 14% damage buff of a skill whose only use is in melee where mobs will nuke you down.

What? You just blow away as dust on the wind when mobs get near you? Maybe I just don’t roll as fragile as you like to, but in my world enemies and certainly enemy players ALWAYS manage to spend at least some time in melee contact.

The +14% isn’t on button 1, sure. Its on my escape, which if I need to push I’m pushing it. I might have missed something about the “utility” in skill 4, because I was pretty sure that skill’s function was damage (primarily via pet). And 5 is an interrupt – it interrupts the target and it interrupts ME too. Having those necessary breaks in the 1,1,1,1,1 spam hit harder is a good thing.

I’m not saying it was an overall buff, I’m saying if you played rough, its a negligible loss with a silver lining.

As to the pet nerf, to be honest If I’m in a dungeon, I just leash the fernhound to me so it stays alive to give regen. Maybe I was underestimating the amazing damage contribution of the insta-gibbed attack pets (what is the dps contribution of a corpse, exactly…?) but to me the value of the canines was in their pounce CC and their f2 skill, not their “gnaw old bone” or whatever their auto-attack is called .

Pets are still very strong if you are BM ranger.
The lost Pet DPS ofc did not get compensated by making another weapon deal the missing damage – thats the point of a nerf! The damage was just too high.

On the other hand, Offhand Axe got buffed, Signet ranger got a buff and LB got buffed pretty well.

I understand that it’s only natural to whine like an infant if somebody steals your precious lollypop, but as most of us are grownup (or growing up) we can deal with what we are given.
Imho we still dont need to run from thiefs, necros or warries. And they might not be able to run away from us anymore ;-)

I understand you are mad, too because BM was the only thing you were running, but maybe after the update the sun will start to shine again.

Tldr; if you disagree with the changes you’re a whiny brat?
We’re making an uproar because these changes are bad. If this isn’t a PvP split, rangers are done for. Its already hard to justify them in WvW and dungeons. You clearly don’t know why people went BM. Not because people loved being strong and bursty but because its the only viable build, which got nerfed. ANet forces us to play using our pet and have said they have no plans to change that. BM traits are easily the best traits out there, because if we don’t focus around our pets we suck.

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1,with mighty swap trait you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….and remember that might also increases cond dmg..that means that bleed-poisons etc will do more dmg too

Its by far not the only viable build, it was simply the best build we had.
As I said, I unly tried it for a short time because its boring for me, and I had NO PROBLEM to deal with other classes (while not running bm), either in sPVP, tPVP or WvW.

If you complain about BM being useless in Dungeons, then you might want to rethinkg that statement.
with the buffs on LB and Signets rangers got buffed for dungeons, too.

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Nike.2631:

While the shortbow range reduction is annoying in some circumstances, I’ll take the +14% damage BUFF thank you very much!

Er… The 14% damage buff is exclusive to 3 attacks that are there for utility , not damage. They don’t do any damage. Oh yay, 14% more damage! Our daze will do a whole 20 more damage. I’m as happy as they come!

Precisely it’s a bloody nonexistant useless and pointless buff why can’t more people see this?

Aeri.5738:

I understand you are mad, too because BM was the only thing you were running, but maybe after the update the sun will start to shine again.

I’ve run countless builds, I’m asking you not to post because you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

The fact that you think a damage nerf that has an effect on all Rangers, not just BM’s by a large amount is ok because you get a pull on offhand axe (again kittenty weapon even with pull) a crappier version of might buffs on signets (which again, other classes have better ones) and a Longbow being buffed at the expense of making one of our other weapons kittentier tells me you should stick to playing your Warrior and Thief you post about.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

Aeri can you please contact Anet, and ask them if these are the patch note’s cause I swear the next person to post something about “leaked” patch notes needs to be removed from gw2.

Pet’s do need a nerf in damage. But that doesn’t bother me I hated using the beastmaster build it really dumb’s your skills down after a while, not saying the players are bad just so easy as a beastmaster you really can tank for days doing stupid amounts of damage.

Aeri.5738:

Its by far not the only viable build, it was simply the best build we had.
As I said, I unly tried it for a short time because its boring for me, and I had NO PROBLEM to deal with other classes (while not running bm), either in sPVP, tPVP or WvW.

If you complain about BM being useless in Dungeons, then you might want to rethinkg that statement.
with the buffs on LB and Signets rangers got buffed for dungeons, too.

BM is awful in dungeons.. and I created the bloody build..

You don’t see people say “Gee we should give up one of our Warriors for a BM ranger” for a reason….

and LB changes for dungeons? Are you joking..There is nothing you can do on a Ranger that will remotely compare ever to a Greatsword Warrior in a dungeon..

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Sol.4310:

Aeri can you please contact Anet, and ask them if these are the patch note’s cause I swear the next person to post something about “leaked” patch notes needs to be removed from gw2.

Pet’s do need a nerf in damage. But that doesn’t bother me I hated using the beastmaster build it really dumb’s your skills down after a while, not saying the players are bad just so easy as a beastmaster you really can tank for days doing stupid amounts of damage.

They’re Real.

Trust me on that, They may change a bit come next week, but these are the ones on the test server

With these changes they actually make it so Jaguars are the only viable BM pets now exept it’s a toothless declawed cat with no burst or quickness on swap but the only one doing even decent damage with normal skills.

Well atleast the people with bears will be happy they use longbows I heard…

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Actually if you want to be fair Jaguar did a crazy amount of dmg for little effort,and for little traiting.put 30 points in BM,press F2 and use every dodge you have…Yes thats not OP,most skillfull players can avoid this but in combat between a low Ranger and a low whatever,Ranger always wins cause pet does dmg without sacrifising any survivability.Its a fact that you can go hypertanky and pet do a lot of dmg,good players will still do dmg now believe me

you don’t balance a game around bad players

Krugan.7901:

you don’t balance a game around bad players

I think that was the case from the beginning. I recall ranger taking a big hit during the beta weekend that seemed mostly centered around people not dodge rapid shot.

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Actually if you want to be fair Jaguar did a crazy amount of dmg for little effort,and for little traiting.put 30 points in BM,press F2 and use every dodge you have…Yes thats not OP,most skillfull players can avoid this but in combat between a low Ranger and a low whatever,Ranger always wins cause pet does dmg without sacrifising any survivability.Its a fact that you can go hypertanky and pet do a lot of dmg,good players will still do dmg now believe me

No….Good players will not do good damage.. …if you still use Cats after this patch it shows you’re not grasping what was changed.

Yes Jaguars did a crazy amount of damage…But if you think a 50% nerf on their burst attack + the nerf to the other abilities was warranted you didn’t know much about BM Bunker.

In fact I’ve dueled a few other BM Bunker rangers, and I generally don’t use Cats anymore (I stopped using them a while back and instead opted for Drakes so I could control my burst, plus Everyone knows how a Cat Ranger operates now…) After this patch if you do BM bunker, you better be using Drakes over Cats…because Cats are bloody worthless.

There are some pets i could agree with that needed a nerf…Look at Armorfish..That pet needed a nerf..and I actually think a 50% nerf is reasonable on that pet.. I mean it had a BOATLOAD of toughness and vit, pretty good abilities and it hit like a truck… comparable to that of a cat… It made the Shark absolutely pointless.

But things like Moa’s/Pigs and hell even Birds (Who the hell is going to use a bird now when their only actual useful feature was that Burst on the their f2…….I’m not taking a non bursting bird with a bloody obnoxious swoop animation now)

“The nerf on Pets was needed, they were just too strong.”
Lol, because of the bad AI they where useless. The big range and some was the only usefull aspect of them. Now they lose both. Maybe the Jaguar was OP but the other pets weren’t. -25% damage on the pet? And in a rent patch “Search and Rescue” what nerved to not revive killed people anymore, only downed people. While that skill was just useful for that. Downed people you can get up yourself but killed people take to long so then it was good to have “Search and Rescue”.

The rest of the changes are not the worst but the pets should not have gotten the nerve on range and on damage (except for the jaguar) and “Search and Rescue” should be able to revive dead people again. In addition to that pets should get a better AI and should also be able to attack for example on walls. In the beta that was possible but they removed that while for example clones of mesmers are still able to get up there.

So let pets get up walls and so on, give pets better AI, keep the long range let “Search and Rescue” revive dead people and don’t nerve the damage of the pets. Then the rangers are still not the strongest class but at least they are good enough to play with.

To make them more fun the whole taming pet should change to a more dynamic way. Remove the list of possible pets and let them tame all pets on a dynamic way so you might even be able to tame pets Anet had not planned on you taming. That means it becomes possible to find rare, and special pets. Would be a great ‘fun’ buff for that class and the whole game. Something a lot of PvE players are looking for.

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Actually if you want to be fair Jaguar did a crazy amount of dmg for little effort,and for little traiting.put 30 points in BM,press F2 and use every dodge you have…Yes thats not OP,most skillfull players can avoid this but in combat between a low Ranger and a low whatever,Ranger always wins cause pet does dmg without sacrifising any survivability.Its a fact that you can go hypertanky and pet do a lot of dmg,good players will still do dmg now believe me

No….Good players will not do good damage.. …if you still use Cats after this patch it shows you’re not grasping what was changed.

Yes Jaguars did a crazy amount of damage…But if you think a 50% nerf on their burst attack + the nerf to the other abilities was warranted you didn’t know much about BM Bunker.

In fact I’ve dueled a few other BM Bunker rangers, and I generally don’t use Cats anymore (I stopped using them a while back and instead opted for Drakes so I could control my burst, plus Everyone knows how a Cat Ranger operates now…) After this patch if you do BM bunker, you better be using Drakes over Cats…because Cats are bloody worthless.

There are some pets i could agree with that needed a nerf…Look at Armorfish..That pet needed a nerf..and I actually think a 50% nerf is reasonable on that pet.. I mean it had a BOATLOAD of toughness and vit, pretty good abilities and it hit like a truck… comparable to that of a cat… It made the Shark absolutely pointless.

But things like Moa’s/Pigs and hell even Birds (Who the hell is going to use a bird now when their only actual useful feature was that Burst on the their f2…….I’m not taking a non bursting bird with a bloody obnoxious swoop animation now)

You’re right on the burst part and I understand that but drakes where nerfed way harder than cats here, I don’t see them to be very viable after this patch aside from aoefarming crapmobs in pve.

About the last part though and I said it before aswell pigs? really? they are nerfing pigs?

It alls comes down to personal choices..You dont know how the meta will evolve since we are just geussing now..You can stop playing Ranger,i wont.I wont cause i really like to test a support build,i really want to test Longbow,i really want to test Axe 4,i really want to test new traits,i really want to test spirits…All these things were bad for a long time…
Pets getting nerf?I can live with dat

Manekk.6981:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Actually if you want to be fair Jaguar did a crazy amount of dmg for little effort,and for little traiting.put 30 points in BM,press F2 and use every dodge you have…Yes thats not OP,most skillfull players can avoid this but in combat between a low Ranger and a low whatever,Ranger always wins cause pet does dmg without sacrifising any survivability.Its a fact that you can go hypertanky and pet do a lot of dmg,good players will still do dmg now believe me

No….Good players will not do good damage.. …if you still use Cats after this patch it shows you’re not grasping what was changed.

Yes Jaguars did a crazy amount of damage…But if you think a 50% nerf on their burst attack + the nerf to the other abilities was warranted you didn’t know much about BM Bunker.

In fact I’ve dueled a few other BM Bunker rangers, and I generally don’t use Cats anymore (I stopped using them a while back and instead opted for Drakes so I could control my burst, plus Everyone knows how a Cat Ranger operates now…) After this patch if you do BM bunker, you better be using Drakes over Cats…because Cats are bloody worthless.

There are some pets i could agree with that needed a nerf…Look at Armorfish..That pet needed a nerf..and I actually think a 50% nerf is reasonable on that pet.. I mean it had a BOATLOAD of toughness and vit, pretty good abilities and it hit like a truck… comparable to that of a cat… It made the Shark absolutely pointless.

But things like Moa’s/Pigs and hell even Birds (Who the hell is going to use a bird now when their only actual useful feature was that Burst on the their f2…….I’m not taking a non bursting bird with a bloody obnoxious swoop animation now)

You’re right on the burst part and I understand that but drakes where nerfed way harder than cats here, I don’t see them to be very viable after this patch aside from aoefarming crapmobs in pve.

About the last part though and I said it before aswell pigs? really? they are nerfing pigs?

They nerfed Lightning Breath somewhat.. and it probably deserved something along that lines of a nerf as it was a hard hitting ability..

the Nerf to bite seems nasty at first, till you realize that Drakes damage in the first place was pretty kitten when it comes to that attack in the first place…I mean it hit for about 800 non crit, and Drakes don’t crit unless you give them 25 stacks of master bond and bloody fury….

So the nerf to bite is not a huge deal….Swamp Drake and Lightning Drake still have some controllable burst and the tailswipe (I don’t remember if it got nerfed but it hit fairly hard anyway and wasn’t why I picked them)

Nerfs to Birds though by 50% and such (by the way, why the hell would eagles ability get a bigger nerf then Ravens, Ravens hit much much harder) Which had only that burst really is a huge nerf..

Cats just got gutted…. no reason to use a cat now.. none..

Dardamaniac.1295:

It alls comes down to personal choices..You dont know how the meta will evolve since we are just geussing now..You can stop playing Ranger,i wont.I wont cause i really like to test a support build,i really want to test Longbow,i really want to test Axe 4,i really want to test new traits,i really want to test spirits…All these things were bad for a long time…
Pets getting nerf?I can live with dat

I know exactly how the meta will evolve..

More necro’s/guardians/mesmer’s/warriors

No Rangers on the Back Point

The lightning breath (really all the drake F2) have a huge windup/tell so no matter how hard hitting they might be the amount of setup required to make them hit should be rewarded.

I am still not sure what rangers did a whole but the developers have really taken a liking to kicking them while they’re down/defeated.

That pet damage nerf better be for PvP/WvW only. It’s completely unecessary in PvE where Ranger needs some serious help. Damage would be fine but pets die too quick to AoE in dungeons. If they nerf pet damage they need to increase Ranger damage alot

Has anybody noticed the zephir’s speed swap?

Dardamaniac.1295:

It alls comes down to personal choices..You dont know how the meta will evolve since we are just geussing now..You can stop playing Ranger,i wont.I wont cause i really like to test a support build,i really want to test Longbow,i really want to test Axe 4,i really want to test new traits,i really want to test spirits…All these things were bad for a long time…
Pets getting nerf?I can live with dat

+1

Krugan.7901:

Has anybody noticed the zephir’s speed swap?

Yes, but since Quickness blows anyway now only Rangers with Bears care

Bran.7425:

The lightning breath (really all the drake F2) have a huge windup/tell so no matter how hard hitting they might be the amount of setup required to make them hit should be rewarded.

I am still not sure what rangers did a whole but the developers have really taken a liking to kicking them while they’re down/defeated.

Its not that bad..Key bring the person in front of the Drake and have the drake out of the field of view of them. It takes practice but it is doable.

Its much easier of course on the Swamp Drake, as its got 900 Range vs the 600 on the River Drake

I can agree some pets like Jaguar hit too hard, but honestly they have nerfed too many pets that didnt need it, and nerfed some pets that did need it way too much.

Also, the whole point of the cats are that they are GC type pets.. It would have been more appropriate to half their vitality so that they still hit like a truck (as a GC should) but could be easily killed if not played well (again, as a GC should). With the way they have done it cats become kinda pointless because they have little defence compared to other pets, and not much more damage.

I am sceptical about how much these LB changes will effect it but I’ll wait to see before judging. I can see why they wanted to nerf the SB range but I think its really ruined one aspect of the ranger, and thats the ability to hunt people down as they run. SB was perfect for that with its cripple and stun, but with 900 range you wont be catching anyone because with 1 leap they are out of range. The LB, even if its DPS is greatly improved, has no way to catch a fleeing target. Thats what really REALLY bugs me about the SB nerf.

Pet system in general needed a redesign, but Anet is to lazy to do it… and frankly seeing them nerf Moa’s and Pig damage tells me they should just not even visit the ranger forums because they clearly have no clue what is going on.

With the general state of discontent on this sub-forum I doubt we will see a developer here for some time.

I’m sure Jon will bumble into this forum at some point and ask whats up..tell us some crap we already know..promise to fix it.. then leave… while the rangers of this forum spend the next 6 month’s staring a the door before it opens and they get a bucket of water thrown in their face ..

Let us hope not I don’t really what to see a repeat of his “Ranger Update” thread that refused to die, while becoming as senseless “Ranger is fine vs No it isn’t” slugfest.

Aeri.5738:

And I am dead serious.

1) BM rangers where OP, end of story. I specked BM for fun and facerolled 1 v 3 in WvW, without actually knowing what I am doing.
The nerf on Pets was needed, they were just too strong.
The Jaguars base damage wasn’T even reduced, just his F2 got a nerf and I can live with that!

2) Other Non-Pet focused builds got buffed with offhand Axe and LB damage increase
The spirit tree buffs offer some great choices for GS Warriors with Frost Spirit support (believe it or not, this build already was strong in sPVP)
Offhand Axe buff is just awesome, I was running Sw/Axe already and now I can rock even more – thanks ANet!
The Longbow buff was needed and we will see how much damage increase there will actually be. I expect not too much but still a noticable improvement.

3) SB nerf. The only thing I don’t get, but since everybody was running shortbow (if not BM specced) I can understand it somehow.

4)Trait Changes
Imho very good stuff. Some more tweeking for Signet Ranger required, but it got a lot better.
Healing on Shouts sounds fun, I will defenetly try this out.
This could become one of the best Bunker builds GW2 has seen.

TL;DR: Am I seriously the only one who thinks, the (leaked) Patch notes are a good thing for us? ANet offered 2-3 more viable builds with this by slightly nerfing the BM Bunker.

Thanks ANet!

agreed

Xsorus.2507:

They nerfed Lightning Breath somewhat.. and it probably deserved something along that lines of a nerf as it was a hard hitting ability..

the Nerf to bite seems nasty at first, till you realize that Drakes damage in the first place was pretty kitten when it comes to that attack in the first place…I mean it hit for about 800 non crit, and Drakes don’t crit unless you give them 25 stacks of master bond and bloody fury….

So the nerf to bite is not a huge deal….Swamp Drake and Lightning Drake still have some controllable burst and the tailswipe (I don’t remember if it got nerfed but it hit fairly hard anyway and wasn’t why I picked them)

Nerfs to Birds though by 50% and such (by the way, why the hell would eagles ability get a bigger nerf then Ravens, Ravens hit much much harder) Which had only that burst really is a huge nerf..

Cats just got gutted…. no reason to use a cat now.. none..

I recently fought a marksman ranger with a lightning drake since I was full health when he went down I decided to just eat the lightning he was loading up to see how much damage it would do, 700-1000 damage per hit and with the bounce between my pet and me it hit me 10times, so yeah that might be slightly too much but it’s also fairly difficult to land this skill and you need it to bounce for that damage but I agree 17% nerf is reasonable.

Bite is their main source of damage though it’s a big deal I think 27% less damage on their main damage shouldn’t just be dismissed as nothing and I’m surprised you see it that way, all in all they lost virtually a 3rd of their damage that’s huge man.

Cats on the other hand got gutted on their burst only it’s a 20s cd ability, the normal high dps from a cat is still there and the jaguar stealth ability nerf will do almost nothing since a 25% increased critchance for a cat is practically 100% anyway with higher might stacks from companions might a cat now has higher dps than before so it will definetly be worth using however the burst is what you needed against some classes and that will largely be gone with this patch.

Raven is going complete garbage now, the F2 burst was good everything else was kitten flopping stupid animations and soon that’s all it will be.

“and thats the ability to hunt people down as they run. SB was perfect for that with its cripple and stun, but with 900 range you wont be catching anyone because with 1 leap they are out”

This is the sad part of this “range” nerf: negating the sb to be used to stop people flying away. Now what do we have to achieve that?

Cats main attack was nerfed along with their main burst attack.

The only reason to use Cat now is Chill on Snow Leopard and Lynx maybe.. but I’d still choose Drake (and maybe Spider, since I didn’t seen a reduction on its weakness)

Greatsword’s Swoop > Hilt Bash

Prolly only 1 option though.

Xsorus.2507:

Pet system in general needed a redesign, but Anet is to lazy to do it… and frankly seeing them nerf Moa’s and Pig damage tells me they should just not even visit the ranger forums because they clearly have no clue what is going on.

Yeah I kinda cant believe moa and pigs got a damage nerf, I facepalmed as soon as I saw that. If these notes are true then i wouldn’t mind trying raven+owl combo again. I know blinding slash got hit but their auto attack is apparently getting buffed. (???)

Nugget Login, and don’t use Blinding Slash…

Now watch your Raven do that stupid flip every couple seconds…you’ll see why relying on them for auto attack is the biggest waste of time ever.

Xsorus.2507:

Cats main attack was nerfed along with their main burst attack.

The only reason to use Cat now is Chill on Snow Leopard and Lynx maybe.. but I’d still choose Drake (and maybe Spider, since I didn’t seen a reduction on its weakness)

Do you mean the stealth when you say main attack? I bloody hope you do cause otherwise I missed it.