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So for a long time this has been the most viable spec in pvp despite people not really liking this playstyle. Will Anet ever realise that people want to play their ranger without all that passive kitten and bad AI zoo?

ahahaha nice one..

We talked and talked thousand of times about spirits…Still Anet put another one in the latest patch.
Take this game as casual as you can cause Anet really dont want to make it fun to play it..Or just wait for other games to come out that devs actually think that fun comes first….

See the Eagle Eye bug…Some Longbow Rangers actually started to having fun, some are even considered of this becoming viable.Noone complaint, noone said “hey Rangers are doing insane dmg with Longbow now”.
Some Rangers had fun…….

They cant accept this cause it made Longbow too strong, as Grouch himself said a trait that gives range, dmg and perma fury is unexeptable………………FACEPALMING TO ETERNITY.
Engi had perma vigor-swiftness for a long time…Problem?

I dont know if i suppose to laugh or cry….

Nice GIF xD

Spirit do annoy me somewhat in PvP.. going up 1v1 vs a spirit ranger who is essentially just using S/D and spamming evades of cooldown for no real reason other than doing so gives you 40% evade uptime, with a pet, passives and insane (also passive) healing to keep you alive without really doing anything at all.

Each to their own I guess though.. at least rangers have a competative build, even if it is possibly the most boring thing I have ever seen in this game.

Well I still refuse to use spirits. If only for the simple fact that I have to recast them every minute. I don’t really care how good they are otherwise, that part is just unacceptable gameplay. Add to it the fact that they can be killed and don’t give their effect permanently and I don’t see myself ever using spirits. Also, they don’t move… would almost forget that part. That’s like 4 horrible gameplay mechanics put into 1. Let me summarize it:

1. they have to be recast every minute
2. they can be killed
3. they don’t offer a permanent effect
4. they don’t move by default

Hardly the most viable spec, it’s just the easiest to play spec we have and it still nets a lot of reward. Trapper is still an amazing build for point defense, especially if you’re a good trapper ranger, but imo where ranger really shines is roaming, which tons of builds do well with.

Holland.9351:

Well I still refuse to use spirits. If only for the simple fact that I have to recast them every minute. I don’t really care how good they are otherwise, that part is just unacceptable gameplay. Add to it the fact that they can be killed and don’t give their effect permanently and I don’t see myself ever using spirits. Also, they don’t move… would almost forget that part. That’s like 4 horrible gameplay mechanics put into 1. Let me summarize it:

1. they have to be recast every minute
2. they can be killed
3. they don’t offer a permanent effect
4. they don’t move by default

#They are nerfed in each update.

The real problem, from my point of view, is not really that spirit ranger is omg so strong in 1v1. It’s very boring spec that can eavde, regen a lot. But if you have brain, you’ll take care of his sun, stone and nature spirit and then finish him rather quickly.
The real problem and huuge advantage of spirits is that they’re, hands down, one of the best teamplay tools. They work wonders when 2-3 people stack around ranger spirits, because each of them will proc burning, protection and get healed/rezzed/cleansed by Nature spirit. Not to mention, Sun Spirit allows stomping for a Ranger, who lack blind by default. So whenever you see that enemy spirit ranger enters the fight, you may be godkitten sure that enemy team will put constant burning on you, have protection, heal for nice amounts, simply-will be buffed a lot. It’s the same reason why people like to have guardian with them – insane buffs, condi clears, stability.
I don’t run spirits really because I find them cheap, I run semi-trap build. But I just know and I feel that in fact I might hurt my team by not running spirits, because of these party buffs.
I mean, even if I do very good and play to maximum with my build, I know that opposite ranger might just pop spirits, get them in range for party buffs, activate auto attack on shortbow, go make a coffe for himself and still his effectivness overall might be greater than mine

@Rym you’d be right about him being more effective in a team fight, but in a small skirmishy fight or you defending/attacking a point in a 1v1 you will significantly out preform him.

@Durzilla I know and I do that since traps are very good in close quaters But as I say, on mid fights, or in some bigger than 1v1, 2v2 clashes, spirits are generally better. Traps are good unless too many people show up, but from my experience, especially in current meta, better players have tons of condition removals and massive condi clears are your worst enemies. In these situations, spirits have huge advantage because everyone on your team (mind me, I’m talking stricly about tPvP now) gets something when you don’t have to really bother about setting traps in useful places, you can instead focus more on evading et cetera, et cetera…
I do know that in PvE general, including WvWvW, spirit rangers are mostly seen for 1v1 and not really in bigger fights due to Power play overall, which destroys NPCs in general very quickly with dem AoEs. However, in spvp you don’t have min/maxed gear really so not many tend to run power AoEs, so…long live spirits!

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

I’ve been fighting spirit Rangers I can’t consider as any bad.
It reminds me kind of the situation back in the days when eople were considering D/D bunker eles as “unbeatable”, BM Rangers as OP, Stabby Thieves as nightmare or phantasm mesmers as “gods of dueling”. Know what? I’ve been able to kill every single one of this specs back in the days, on my Necromancer. Yes, before so-called big buff patch. Over a year ago, I was swooping floor with many elementalists, OP specs et cetera, et cetera.
Every spec has some counter. It may be not a hard counter or very appealing weakness, but playing and positioning (LoS-ing Phantasms!) wisely, you’re able to kill even your Spirit Ranger.
I mean, sure, it’s a very strong spec and some builds can have bigger problems with that. But basic flaws of Spirit Ranger are Spirits themselves. If you don’t rush in, but poke that spec slowly, you can achieve state when Spirit Rangers will be without any utility and then he’s crap.

Uhhhh, bm/ spirit ranger hybrid > spirit ranger.

Spec 10-0-30-0-30. Sword dagger axe torch. Healspring, sun spirit, sotw, SoR.

35% chance is enough.

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

King duelist? I can imagine just about any class having a build that would kitten a spirit ranger, and while it’s entirely possible I met some terrible ones I had a very easy time killing them on a ranger that is not running spirits myself.

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

Do you even know what a duelist is? It’s sure as hell not a spirit ranger, and as has been said multiple times in this thread there is almost no difference between a good and bad spirit ranger, hell the only way you could be a better spirit ranger is by simply being a better ranger as a whole because spirits are such a shallow mechanic all the depth and such to make the spirit ranger better is from stuff ALL rangers have access to.

I find it rather funny that people see the current Ranger who uses a spirits as EZ.
There is a huge difference between a good and bad spirit ranger.
Although the difference is MOST apparent in anything but a 1vs1.
In a team fight a bad spirit ranger will be instantly trained down and demolished.
I personally hate seeing a spirit ranger on the team as they are usually just free stacks.

Ranger spirit passives are no different than banners or Necro Dhuumfire.
It has a rng to proc and thats it.

With only 2 weapon sets and 5 utility slots. I do not see any way that this game can not rely on a bunch of passive traits. There is just not enough ‘active’ slots to do stuff with. This is not a game where you have 25 0r 50 abilitys that you can use…
Might as well complain about how a car can’t fly in the air. Core game set up just does not allow for tons of active abilitys.

Spirits have no AI. All they do is follow you if traited.
I would say spirits are quite active as they DO have active abilitys.
Sun has a very effective blind and few things can beat a nature spirits rez.
If the spirit had actual AI you would not have to push a button for it to rez people -.-’

At the very top of skilled ranger play is timing being downed to your nature spirit dying as that is a free unstoppable rez.
Normal people just don’t have the ability to properly leverage utility use -.-’

I can see why people dislike the spec. But there is just no way around it. The game is set up to rely on passives to make up for the lack of active ability’s (ie wep sets and utility’s, and what ever garbage F skills).

do you guys even pvp? lol

i assume all the posts about spirit rangers not being strong are from people who only do wvw.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Best-Duelist-Class-Build/first#post3245143

that thread came from the pvp sub-forums. your replies are invalid.

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

Prysin.8542:

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

thief and ele? lol are you talking about wvw or pvp?

sorry to disappoint you guys but it’s still spirit rangers or gtfo in tourneys.

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

Spirit ranger the king duelist in tpvp?

You embarrass yourself every time you post on these forums.

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

Spirit ranger the king duelist in tpvp?

You embarrass yourself every time you post on these forums.

dude, i play mesmer, necro, warrior and ranger. all these toons are good in 1v1 but a well played spirit ranger can beat all the other three hands down.

Valentin.2073:

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

Spirit ranger the king duelist in tpvp?

You embarrass yourself every time you post on these forums.

dude, i play mesmer, necro, warrior and ranger. all these toons are good in 1v1 but a well played spirit ranger can beat all the other three hands down.

I think what you mean to say is that Spirit Ranger is the only thing that you can win with. Obviously, spirit of nature is exceedingly cheap in 1v1s. But you don’t need to spec as a spirit ranger to make use of that. BM regen ranger is stronger in 1v1s. Minion necro is also much stronger than spirit ranger for dueling. Hammer/longbow blows up a spirit ranger almost instantly.

not because you wanna play BM or power ranger makes them viable in pvp. please stop these nonsense. stop giving false hope to rangers who dislike spirit builds. just embrace it.

Valentin.2073:

Prysin.8542:

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

thief and ele? lol are you talking about wvw or pvp?

sorry to disappoint you guys but it’s still spirit rangers or gtfo in tourneys.

Now it’s apparent that you have no idea what you’re talking about… Spirit rangers are the rangers I LOVE to find on my ele because in about 3 skills I can wipe out their entire utility bar and focus on the now naked ranger.

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

Prysin.8542:

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

thief and ele? lol are you talking about wvw or pvp?

sorry to disappoint you guys but it’s still spirit rangers or gtfo in tourneys.

Now it’s apparent that you have no idea what you’re talking about… Spirit rangers are the rangers I LOVE to find on my ele because in about 3 skills I can wipe out their entire utility bar and focus on the now naked ranger.

you must be talking about wvw not pvp. no decent team will bring an ele in tpvp. pls be educated.

Valentin.2073:

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

Prysin.8542:

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

thief and ele? lol are you talking about wvw or pvp?

sorry to disappoint you guys but it’s still spirit rangers or gtfo in tourneys.

Now it’s apparent that you have no idea what you’re talking about… Spirit rangers are the rangers I LOVE to find on my ele because in about 3 skills I can wipe out their entire utility bar and focus on the now naked ranger.

you must be talking about wvw not pvp. no decent team will bring an ele in tpvp. pls be educated.

You serious? Ele provides better group utility to the group than a spirit ranger just by grabbing a staff, not to mention eles recently got quite a few tools to completely kitten block a few of the meta condi builds…

What does a spirit ranger bring? Nearly constant burning on one target? Eles bring nearly perma burning on an AoE, a blind? Hah I got those in spades! AoE healing on an elite? I provide that, and AoE condi cleanse on a 13s CD, not to mention I’ve got burst healing with geyser and healing rain, prot? Again, I’ve got AoE protection and it’s not only on demand but lasts a hell of a lot longer than yours, swiftness? kitten please!!

I also bring AoE chill, frost armor, might, immob, cripple, stun, more area denial then you can kittening fathom, and I’m a hell of a lot tankier than you are, oh yeah, my support doesn’t implode when an AoE shows up and I also have a stun break.

So, how are you better? Oh that’s right…. You’re not.

eles die like flies. a ranger’s pet alone can kill an ele. it’s a rule in tpvp to kill the ele first in team fight because of how squishy they are.

eles are pretty weak in pvp now. i dont know why you think an ele is even viable in pvp. go play soloq and see how people will discriminate you at the start of the match.

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

Prysin.8542:

Bambula.3649:

lol..hammerbow warri destroys spirit ranger, his aoe kills your spirits so fast ><

anything with strong AOE or poison will rip through any spirit build ASAP.

Venom-thief or hambow-warrior or s/d bunker ele.

thief and ele? lol are you talking about wvw or pvp?

sorry to disappoint you guys but it’s still spirit rangers or gtfo in tourneys.

Now it’s apparent that you have no idea what you’re talking about… Spirit rangers are the rangers I LOVE to find on my ele because in about 3 skills I can wipe out their entire utility bar and focus on the now naked ranger.

you must be talking about wvw not pvp. no decent team will bring an ele in tpvp. pls be educated.

You serious? Ele provides better group utility to the group than a spirit ranger just by grabbing a staff, not to mention eles recently got quite a few tools to completely kitten block a few of the meta condi builds…

dont bother. Valentin got no clue how things work.
But for the sake of actually staying on topic;
Spirit ranger can be broken up into two bits – Spirits and a Regen Bunker.
Now, to counter the build you can do two things
A: remove the spirits and then take on the ranger
B: focus the ranger and ignore the spirits.

To counter a regen bunker (you gotta kill that ranger eventually) you got two choices;
A: Raw DPS Burst, either through conditions or pure damage
B: Grind them down using poison and/or confusion.

Why poison? Because it reduces healing capacity by 33%. This means that if you got 1000hp/sec on TU, it will do a mere 670hp/sec. Which is not very much, and easily countered. It will also reduce any and all regeneration boons, and also the passive from SoN. In addition to this, it does damage to the ranger.

Now, easiest way to kill a spirit ranger is to simply spam poison in a AOE manner. My personal favorite is to send in a marsh drake, unload it’s F2, then send in a Cave Spider and unload it’s F2. By doing this, the ranger will take heavy poison damage. In return, i can use Sword 3, and Dagger 4 to apply even more poison, all while evading his attacks. Spirit bonuses CAN NOT PROC without the attack connecting. So evading his attacks is doing “twice as much damage”, in a sense.

do you guys even read the pvp subforums? eles good in pvp? lol

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Just-had-3-Ele-s-on-my-team/first#post3389456

Valentin.2073:

do you guys even read the pvp subforums? eles good in pvp? lol

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Just-had-3-Ele-s-on-my-team/first#post3389456

and your not even in the leaderboard
sorry guy but its not true what you try to tell us..

so what if i’m not on the leaderboard now? i was there before the leaderboard reset (teamq). your posts are merely based in wvw. as pve’rs your opinions about pvp are all invalid.

Valentin.2073:

do you guys even read the pvp subforums? eles good in pvp? lol

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Just-had-3-Ele-s-on-my-team/first#post3389456

No, because it so full of idiots posting wrong information it makes me want to punch a small child, I’ll browse it occasionally, but the entire forum is a contradiction….

3 days ago half the posts were saying eles suck, the other half were saying eles were completely 100% OP.

Valentin.2073:

so what if i’m not on the leaderboard now? i was there before the leaderboard reset (teamq). your posts are merely based in wvw. as pve’rs your opinions about pvp are all invalid.

That’s cute, you think I WvW and give a kitten about PvE…. Still don’t have full exotics on my ranger in PvE, because it’s so useless…

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

so what if i’m not on the leaderboard now? i was there before the leaderboard reset (teamq). your posts are merely based in wvw. as pve’rs your opinions about pvp are all invalid.

That’s cute, you think I WvW and give a kitten about PvE…. Still don’t have full exotics on my ranger in PvE, because it’s so useless…

whats your rank? if you think you’re running a build that is far more useful than a spirit ranger in tpvp just because you’ve beaten some noobs in hotjoin. go… this thread is getting pointless anyway. BM, trap and power ranger? funny…

Valentin.2073:

not because you wanna play BM or power ranger makes them viable in pvp. please stop these nonsense. stop giving false hope to rangers who dislike spirit builds. just embrace it.

I dunno I played BM in team queue the other day and ended up as rank 50. So I guess maybe it’s viable.

Also, Eurantien ran a power build when he got to rank 4 solo queue or something, Twerp is in the top 20 running traps.

You’re either a good troll, or possibly the most ignorant poster ever to grace these wonderful forums.

these posts are hilarious. btw, teamq is infested with people using cheats right now (insta-rez, teleport and speed hacks). me and my team stopped playing teamq after we saw people using such exploits.

You kill a spirit ranger by watching his empatic bond. Once it ticks, you apply burn and bleed, and he dies.

Shortbow is somewhat limited with this, because you can’t exactly burst condis with it. Axe/torch/sword/dagger will remain more potent than shortbow for that reason in the hands of a player who is skilled at killing spirit rangers.

Shortbow is somewhat better in teamfights though. If you wanted to make shortbow work vs spirit rangers you would probably want some form of 2nd set condi burst. Take geomancy sigils and s/d or s/t. That way you get 6 stacks of bleed and poison on swap.

Or you can just autopilot, whatever works for you.

Valentin.2073:

Durzlla.6295:

Valentin.2073:

so what if i’m not on the leaderboard now? i was there before the leaderboard reset (teamq). your posts are merely based in wvw. as pve’rs your opinions about pvp are all invalid.

That’s cute, you think I WvW and give a kitten about PvE…. Still don’t have full exotics on my ranger in PvE, because it’s so useless…

whats your rank? if you think you’re running a build that is far more useful than a spirit ranger in tpvp just because you’ve beaten some noobs in hotjoin. go… this thread is getting pointless anyway. BM, trap and power ranger? funny…

I’m rank 30, but since when does rank mean anything? Hell, most people who are high rank are just hot join heroes.

lets discuss ranger builds that take skill to play:

BM – leave the pet on a node and kite from afar
Power Ranger – spam longbow skills while standing on top of a ledge

guys, running a squishy build doesnt make you a better player at all. you think you’re good because you killed a lot using a power build? if it werent for the bunkers on your team, you could have died before even getting those kills. believe me, i did run those builds you were talking about. this hate towards spirit rangers is completely insubstantial.

if it makes you feel better running a non-spirit build then go ahead. you wanna feel good about yourselves by calling spirit rangers thrash? just keep doing it. it does make you all happy.

lol personally i have no idea how spirit build is good at all. if you put them in you lose

defensive skills. more over it only takes a couple aoe to nuke them out.

the condition they provide are not even as strong as Mesmer / thieve nowadays

i would love to be educated though so i may play it on my ranger, if you are in Tier 1 NA.

The way the ranger is set up. With a pet permanently attached to the hip and a utility and trait line devoted to a pet..
There is just no way around having that pretty useless AI companion.
I sadly do not see them changing the rangers core mechanics.
I am also surprised that the ranger ended up more minion happy than a necromancer hahah. Did not make a necro because I did not want to do dots or rely on pets. But here I am using a spirit ranger in solo q -.-’

Sunt.6835:

lol personally i have no idea how spirit build is good at all. if you put them in you lose

defensive skills. more over it only takes a couple aoe to nuke them out.

the condition they provide are not even as strong as Mesmer / thieve nowadays

i would love to be educated though so i may play it on my ranger, if you are in Tier 1 NA.

As expected of a WvW BG player. Your post has nothing to do with this discussion as we are talking about a ranger in SPvP and not WvW where spirits are for the most part garbage..

Valentin.2073:

infantrydiv.1620:

Valentin.2073:

you guys hating on the build doesnt make you better 1v1. lol.

spirit ranger is still the king duelist in tpvp. if it’s true that you actually beaten a spirit ranger 1v1, it’s just because you fought a really bad spirit ranger.

people will always hate something they cannot understand or beat.

Spirit ranger the king duelist in tpvp?

You embarrass yourself every time you post on these forums.

dude, i play mesmer, necro, warrior and ranger. all these toons are good in 1v1 but a well played spirit ranger can beat all the other three hands down.

Sadly any sort of condition ranger gets pummel wracked by a diamond skin ele as diamond skin in 1vs1 is extremely effective.
My only condolence is that diamond skin will not help the team any as the assist train is just too strong.

dude, unlike a minionmancer’s pets spirits do not auto-attack. if you think you are running a thrashy build and ashamed of it then stop using it. spirits are mere signets that give rangers condition damage and boons on proc. but unlike signets, spirits die and you have to time their active effect to maximize their use. imo, a ranger using real signets are the most lame and braindead builds on a ranger.

Valentin.2073:

lets discuss ranger builds that take skill to play:

BM – leave the pet on a node and kite from afar
Power Ranger – spam longbow skills while standing on top of a ledge

guys, running a squishy build doesnt make you a better player at all. you think you’re good because you killed a lot using a power build? if it werent for the bunkers on your team, you could have died before even getting those kills. believe me, i did run those builds you were talking about. this hate towards spirit rangers is completely insubstantial.

if it makes you feel better running a non-spirit build then go ahead. you wanna feel good about yourselves by calling spirit rangers thrash? just keep doing it. it does make you all happy.

Well BM builds ARE bunker builds, a lot more so than a spirit build (which is a support build and should be in a team fight not off on their own defending a point), and then you totally oversimplified the power builds, not to mention they aren’t restricted to LB. Personally I prefer running a Celestial build and using a mix of offense, control, and support, but that’s just me, and my build changes quite rapidly so who knows what I’ll have….

There’s also trapper builds, I’d say they require skill too tbh, and then signet builds (i used to think otherwise but then I encountered a really good signet ranger who proved me wrong).

Also, I’m not saying spirit builds are bad by any means, do I think they’re boring to play? Yes, but bad? Hell no. They are however not a DUELING build, they are significantly better for support, granted there are still better options out there for pure support but everything has its pros and cons.

why are you even using celestial amulet? you clearly are talking about wvw. noone in pvp uses celestial amulet. i’m done here. too much BS from this thread for me to take.

What’s the point of running BM in solo Q? The stat investment it takes to put points into BM doesn’t return nearly enough output for the point placement.

Honestly, you’re better off just taking a traditional spirit setup, and then switching your amulet to a Settler’s Amulet for the tankiness and healing power. If you really want your pet as a damage source, don’t even waste time putting points into BM, just put 10 into Skirmishing and pick up Agility Training so your pet sticks to its target better, thereby doing better DPS through its speed boost than any investment you’d be making in the BM line.

Unfortunately, that’s sad but true.

As for traps, it still has the potential to be useful, but it isn’t like you are going to be performing better at the role trapper performs any better than an engi or a necro due to power creep, outside of maybe using a build with a Settlers Amulet to make yourself tankier and more sustainable than either a Necro or a Engi. And not necessarily more sustainable either, but more like, easier to sustain without having to micromanage as much survival through use of healing and evasion and passive condi removal, which allows for a greater focus on damage output or defense when needed. Oh, and Axe/Dagger and Sword/Torch bring everything to a ranger build that traps do, so if you use that weapon setup and Offhand Training, you are capable of doing everything traps can do short of being unblockable AoE, which only really matters for the pulsing traps, as spike trap can get screwed over by enemy AI like minions/clones/pets/etc making it almost utterly worthless against players not dumb enough to walk into your traps.

The thing is, that a ranger that plays his build well is probably one of the best duelist classes out there, especially if you manage your opponents cooldowns versus your own well. Really, the only “meta” build that beats a ranger is a hambow warrior, and that is only if they use zerker stance right, and even then, it is a much more even fight than it is warrior hard countering the spirit build.

Valentin.2073:

lets discuss ranger builds that take skill to play:

BM – leave the pet on a node and kite from afar
Power Ranger – spam longbow skills while standing on top of a ledge

guys, running a squishy build doesnt make you a better player at all. you think you’re good because you killed a lot using a power build? if it werent for the bunkers on your team, you could have died before even getting those kills. believe me, i did run those builds you were talking about. this hate towards spirit rangers is completely insubstantial.

if it makes you feel better running a non-spirit build then go ahead. you wanna feel good about yourselves by calling spirit rangers thrash? just keep doing it. it does make you all happy.

No one called spirit rangers trash. You just sound completely ignorant saying that spirit ranger is the king of 1v1 in this game lol. Also, BM rangers are MORE survivable and hold points better than the typical carrion spirits build. No one is disagreeing that spirit ranger is the most viable team queue build right now.

Also, it’s pretty funny that you don’t even have a clue what BM regen builds are. Shows how well you know the class.

I’d be happy to 1v1 you on a BM regen ranger tomorrow if you want. You can show me how good spirit ranger is in 1v1.

Valentin.2073:

why are you even using celestial amulet? you clearly are talking about wvw. noone in pvp uses celestial amulet. i’m done here. too much BS from this thread for me to take.

Because I’m not a min maxer and like to cover all my bases? And Celestial in PvE takes too kitten long, no way I run celestial in WvW that’s Cleric or Zerker.