Guild Wars 2

I swear the ranger thread is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

A dev actually admitted the ranger being the most underpowered class if that clears anything up
Wait so you saying that our pet being broken is a good thing?

….someone has not been around long enough it seems….

post your Ranger vids showing how effective we are VS the Evidence that paints the walls of the ranger forum showing there not.

Other than that Im not even gonna bother arguing, sift through the older post and read AND watch.

That is all.

Predator.7321:

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

A dev actually admitted the ranger being the most underpowered class if that clears anything up?

I said that didn’t I? I said it’s not that far behind, so I admit the class is lacking in terms of effectiveness in tpvp at the moment. But you guys make it out to be some useless class.

I agree with the OP,half the people complaining on this seem to think that they should be able to take a keep by themselves………

Gelltor.3015:

I agree with the OP,half the people complaining on this seem to think that they should be able to take a keep by themselves………

riiiiight, sure w/e you say.

Sounds like something you want to do. That aside.

Pets.
traits.
Bows.
1 h Sword.

All are trashy no need for power-ups they need fixes.

Last word before I go – the evidence is here, actually take the time to read and watch.

I’m one of the dying breed of rangers that are speccing pure dps, and it takes micromanaging my pet and spamming every weapon skill just to not be the lowest dps member in any given group.

I figured I should try other professions to compare damage, so I specced glass cannon warrior, ele, and mesmer. Ele and Mesmer are still lvl 10, but my warrior at lvl 61 does more damage(in pure numbers) in blue/green gear than my 80 ranger in full exotics. Also has more survivability.

Only the mesmer seems as weak in terms of damage, but survivability is even better than my glass cannon warrior.

Of course, all this is subjective.

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger thread is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

When you come to a beastmaster orientated class expecting an archer class with some eyecandy, that’s what happens. The class (especially some of the pet AI routines) need love but it could be worse. Could be necromancers with lots of traits that are bugged or don’t work at all.

Rangers aren’t terribly bad. We do have far too many issues and broken promises though.

It needs to change, I’m not sure what the point of your post is TBH.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. .

This makes no sense at all and I feel like you didn’t properly state your point. You’re effectively mentioning that pets should not hit the target anyways. In that case why do we have pets as a major class mechanic at all if they don’t hit anything?

bluesnacks.2301:

Rangers aren’t terribly bad. We do have far too many issues and broken promises though.

It needs to change, I’m not sure what the point of your post is TBH.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. .

This makes no sense at all and I feel like you didn’t properly state your point. You’re effectively mentioning that pets should not hit the target anyways. In that case why do we have pets as a major class mechanic at all if they don’t hit anything?

I’m trying to say L2P in a nice way, now saying that I agree with everyone the ranger is slightly underpowered. But have you guys noticed how easily we apply cripple? Hmmmm maybe it’s to help our pet hit the opponent…?

I agree with the doom and gloom needing to stop… I still check the ranger forums everyday looking for news on update but I just hit lvl 42 on my ranger which is my highest level character and I feel with my condition spec I do really well in pve….havnt tried pvp really though.

moekhajavi.3540:

I agree with the doom and gloom needing to stop… I still check the ranger forums everyday looking for news on update but I just hit lvl 42 on my ranger which is my highest level character and I feel with my condition spec I do really well in pve….havnt tried pvp really though.

Try pvp

As I state in another forum, do not tell people they have to l2p and apply cripple for pets to hit. You look ignorant. John has already stated that pets not hitting moving targets is an issue so you are just being obstinate for the sake of angering the community. If you found a work around to the best out of what you were handed good for you, but that doesn’t make the system any less flawed. When the developer tells you its a problem go with it.

crebosh.3548:

As I state in another forum, do not tell people they have to l2p and apply cripple for pets to hit. You look ignorant. John has already stated that pets not hitting moving targets is an issue so you are just being obstinate for the sake of angering the community. If you found a work around to the best out of what you were handed good for you, but that doesn’t make the system any less flawed. When the developer tells you its a problem go with it.

I don’t remember the devs ever saying that pets not hitting moving targets was an issue. The issue in the ranger class lies on the game mode and the only game mode, conquest. If you notice, the ranger class excels in 1 v 1s showing that it’s not the crap kitten class you guys think it is.
And before you mention it, yes I know currently 1v1’s isn’t that important in tournament setting.

NaturalPortman.9562:

The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

I kind of agree with this single statement here. The ranger is in a very strange place right now. There are several serious problems and a lot of minor problems but even slight changes could make the ranger extremely powerful if done in isolation.

I’ve said it many times I suspect the reason it’s taking so long for ranger balance is because an overhaul is needed. A whole lot of changes need to happen but they have to happen all at once or things will go very, very wrong.

(I also suspect there will be a lot of ‘nerfs’ that come with the ‘buffs’)

I am sorry you don’t remember that. Doesn’t make it any less true so again I can refer to your ignorance. Also, I never said it was a crap kitten class thank you for assuming. You are a troll and the worst kind.

crebosh.3548:

I am sorry you don’t remember that. Doesn’t make it any less true so again I can refer to your ignorance. Also, I never said it was a crap kitten class thank you for assuming. You are a troll and the worst kind.

Whoa whoa, calm down there. Maybe he hasn’t seen it. Heck, I haven’t seen this post. If you can provide us with a link to this post however, would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Anders, I’m totally not here so skip this post and read on…

We made the improvements we had time to test. There are still more ranger improvements but when our time is limited we have to focus on things we know we can fix. Signets and shouts are still on the docket, and I suspect some of each of these will get some love in the next time around. As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.

I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements. If we could fix everything at one time we would, but the reality is there are a limited # of hours to make changes.

I see a lot of talk about ranger weapons, but I don’t think that is the real problem. I think sword and longbow are both good weapons, which is why the changes take longer. (The problems are deeper, in pets ability to hit moving targets, trait lines with not enough viable choices and skills that are often too specialized to really )compliment the weapon builds. These aren’t things we can change overnight. The change to Greatsword block was in fact a very difficult change, but we made it because we knew it was the right thing to do.

There are >500 skills in this game, 480 traits, and 2 designers working on this. Even then often we are bottle necked by other issues. I’m not going to say we are not working on these things, nor can I say there are things we could have changed but just ran out of time on, but this was a patch that contained ranger improvements and it will not be the last one that does so. Maybe you want more than honesty but that is what I currently have to offer.

Jon

btw I was calm

ask people who regularly do sPvP and tPvP and see how many times rangers mentioned as a must-have team member..

crebosh.3548:

Hi Anders, I’m totally not here so skip this post and read on…

We made the improvements we had time to test. There are still more ranger improvements but when our time is limited we have to focus on things we know we can fix. Signets and shouts are still on the docket, and I suspect some of each of these will get some love in the next time around. As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.

I do still believe ranger is the profession in most need of improvement after this patch and we will continue to make those improvements. If we could fix everything at one time we would, but the reality is there are a limited # of hours to make changes.

I see a lot of talk about ranger weapons, but I don’t think that is the real problem. I think sword and longbow are both good weapons, which is why the changes take longer. (The problems are deeper, in pets ability to hit moving targets, trait lines with not enough viable choices and skills that are often too specialized to really )compliment the weapon builds. These aren’t things we can change overnight. The change to Greatsword block was in fact a very difficult change, but we made it because we knew it was the right thing to do.

There are >500 skills in this game, 480 traits, and 2 designers working on this. Even then often we are bottle necked by other issues. I’m not going to say we are not working on these things, nor can I say there are things we could have changed but just ran out of time on, but this was a patch that contained ranger improvements and it will not be the last one that does so. Maybe you want more than honesty but that is what I currently have to offer.

Jon

btw I was calm

Alright sorry about that, didn’t read this. But I honestly don’t think pet movement is the huge issue in my opinion. Pet’s dying in heavy aoe is another issue though.

Well thankfully for all of us you an now stop telling people l2p and let the devs make the decision on pet movement.

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger thread is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Jay.3415:

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger thread is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Cool these relate very well to actual combat!!

actual combat or not, it shows what’s the problem
it’s as obvious as a nail in the head…

it’s either you’re a really ignorant person since you don’t even acknowledge most of rangers issues or you want people to say you’re the-greatest-ranger-in-the-whole-GW2-universe-since-you-say-you-always-win-whatever-things-you-encounter-in-game

heck, you don’t even know it was JP himself who said he acknowledge ranger as one of the underpowered classes..

can you elaborate on your gameplay?
kindly post your ranger video so us noobs can learn from you instead of attacking everyone in the forums?
you seriously need to get over yourself..

i never even see one single post where you contribute solutions on ranger issues
you always attack people and claim there’s no issue without any actual point or proof.
before you reply me, yes, i checked your posts history. and yes, most of them are ‘troll’ posts

oh well, this is more like “no matter how bad hitler was, there’s always some people who think he’s good” kind of thing..
everyone entitled to their own opinion i guess

NaturalPortman is a troll. Don’t waste your time/energy on it. Move along and let it live in its blissful ignorance.

Jay.3415:

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Just to make things clear: this videos show nothing specifically of the Ranger, this is a Problem every ranged class has (except mesmer gsword or necro scepter) also the enemy in the vids are at a “bugged” location but you could probably figure that out, otherwise more than 50% of the arrows would have hit.

stop comparing rangers survivability with guardians, comparing their burst potential with thiefs or claiming that only us rangers were affected by these terrible ranged obstructed bugs, this is complete nonsense and just feeds the contra rangers more, though it has absolutely nothing to do with our class.

NaturalPortman.9562:

Jay.3415:

NaturalPortman.9562:

I swear the ranger thread is the biggest gong show I have ever visited / read. The class isn’t far behind the other classes in terms of effectiveness, the only thing the class needs is a few tweaks not a complete overwork of the class. Some people already know just how powerful the class would be if the pet hit enemies while moving, I even think that would make our damage creeping over the level of being overpowered. The ranger is in the state that any little change will make it extremely powerful or slightly underpowered, which is why it’s probably worrisome for the devs to make any drastic changes suddenly.

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Cool these relate very well to actual combat!!

Actually, I see this kind of issue everyday in spvp, so yes it does show what can occur in actual combat. In fact, I applaud the person who put these vids together for showing specific and empirical evidence of a big issue for ranger bows and pets.

Also, the devs have recently commented that bow projectile speeds need to be increased, likely to deal with this very problem.

As for the poster who said this issue impacts classes other than ranger, ehem but it would only affect the auto-attack on warrior bow, which is not that weapon’s main source of damage. A big problem with ranger shortbow is that its main damage output (auto-attack) can be fairly easily and reliably mitigated just by moving.

As others have said ranger is in a sad state and is in line for some buffs, one that I am looking forward to is increasing the movement signet to +25% speed from +10%, which will finally allow me to use something else other than warhorn.

Rocklin.4106:

Jay.3415:

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Just to make things clear: this videos show nothing specifically of the Ranger, this is a Problem every ranged class has (except mesmer gsword or necro scepter)

Only bows have the slow projectile speed.
Thief pistols are a guaranteed hit, engineer rifle/pistols are a guaranteed hit, thief shortbow is a guaranteed hit, ranger rifle is a guaranteed hit, mesmer staff attacks track targets…
I mean literally every ranged weapon besides possibly warrior longbow and mesmer scepter has significantly faster projectile speed than ranger bows.

garethh.3518:

Rocklin.4106:

Jay.3415:

Here you go just as a few
Volume I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPEbzNl_mDE&list=UL
Volume II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poltQGmLu5M
Volume III: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iK-QnDSKys

Just to make things clear: this videos show nothing specifically of the Ranger, this is a Problem every ranged class has (except mesmer gsword or necro scepter)

Only bows have the slow projectile speed.
Thief pistols are a guaranteed hit, engineer rifle/pistols are a guaranteed hit, thief shortbow is a guaranteed hit, ranger rifle is a guaranteed hit, mesmer staff attacks track targets…
I mean literally every ranged weapon besides possibly warrior longbow and mesmer scepter has significantly faster projectile speed than ranger bows.

Guardians would disagree