Guild Wars 2

ilr.9675:

Holland.9351:

- Pet and spirit health is increased by 71%. This is a pretty big thing.

No it’s not because their exact words were “ALL minions” increased by that amount

I said “and spirits” because that was their exact wording in the video. I did not expect it and I’m not sure I believe it, but they said it none the less.

Rym.1469:

I bet that outside of W3, nobody will choose “Sick Em’!” for new reveal. I mean, that’s good for people already using it but I can easily fill up my utility with something more helpful.

They said there are some situations in PvE where it’ll be useful, but yeah it’s mostly for PvP. The only place I can think of in PvE is the boss in the jungle fractal.

kiwituatara.6053:

Necros get a numerical life force bar but our pet doesnt? wth? We’ve been pushing for a numerical pet hp bar for agesssss.

All in all~ yea, a little disappointed at the preview. The time it took for Karl to find Companion’s Defense… ugh, the balance team needs to start actually playing rangers themselves.

This to the nth degree. Too bad the one guy who actually played Ranger AND KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT got fired. Morons in charge, there are. I have a feeling we’ll have our day soon enough, especially once the Ranger numbers dwindle. Because then one will play Ranger in dungeons, fractals, etc to see what we’re talking about, and scream “HOLY kitten THEY’RE UNDERPOWERED!” before fixing us. But by that point, “it’s too late to apologize. It’s too late.”

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Barrage is 360 radius, the tooltip has been wrong since the start of the game. Use ele meteor shower (with ground targeting), then compare to barrage. You’ll see the same very big aoe circle. Healing spring (clearly visible after cast) that’s what a TRUE 240 radius is, a lot smaller thus then barrage.

Oh, I never noticed… I guess that shows how much I use longbow!

Holland.9351:

They said there are some situations in PvE where it’ll be useful, but yeah it’s mostly for PvP. The only place I can think of in PvE is the boss in the jungle fractal.

There’s also Champion Jesters during the Chan Escort. ….Basically your stupid kitten Zerg will always lose target of the Jester and just assume it died whenever it stealths. ….And unlike most mobs, it won’t just stand there idle until its stealth runs out. No it will literally change targets to the helpless stupid NPCs and walk right into the middle of them and drop its Sticky carpet-bomb cluster all over them causing the event to fail instantly.

It’s probably the most egregious example I’ve ever seen of Anet accidentally making superior A.I. and a really challenging openworld event. It’s the kind of mechanic they SHOULD have put in the Tequatl & new TA path instead of griefable Turrets, more GEAR/DPS checks, and playing the hardest-to-catch schoolgirl an anime minigame with an Ooze monster.

If you can complain about this reveal, then your expectations were way too high.

Wait for the actual patch, because none of this is even a nerf. All I see is buffs so far.

I’ll take a 71% increase to pet health any day. Too many of our skills and traits depend on a living pet.

All of these changes, whether you like them or not, are pet-related. How have they not understood yet that we want to be less-reliant on our pets, not more…yes, there may be other changes forthcoming, but this is very disappointing.

RyuDragnier.9476:

This to the nth degree. Too bad the one guy who actually played Ranger AND KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT got fired. Morons in charge, there are. I have a feeling we’ll have our day soon enough, especially once the Ranger numbers dwindle. Because then one will play Ranger in dungeons, fractals, etc to see what we’re talking about, and scream “HOLY kitten THEY’RE UNDERPOWERED!” before fixing us. But by that point, “it’s too late to apologize. It’s too late.”

Their numbers in PvE had already slipped to last place alongside Paragons and it was repeatedly pointed out to Murdoch and Stumme who even acknowledged the fact but never did any followups like they said they wanted to do…. Both of those Gw1 Devs actually got reassigned to GW2 during its beta because there was a huge time crunch and NCsoft had just changed majority stockholder control and started forcing it out before it reached that famous point of “When it’s Ready”

I have two concerns: 1) immobilize now stacks in duration only 2) tab targeting now focuses on the ranger and necro

I believe these two changes will hit rangers harder than ANET anticipates. Unless there’s some other surprising changes we don’t know about, I feel like rangers will still be a novelty in wvw and show quite a bit less sustain in tpvp.

I also believe many fields rangers have access to are a bit limited in area. Hopefully more than the longbow barrage is addressed. Anyways, I guess I’ll log in tomorrow to check.

If healing spring duration and vigorous renewal get nerfed there will be blood.

I’m really happy with the Fernhound buff seeing as how it’s my favorite wolf and that’ll be a lot of healing in the long run!!

However…. Sick’Em…. Just….. REALLY? Why not do 10s and make it kittening useful? 4s is nothing!

And to people saying “oh you can use it on downed people so they can’t be stealthed!” If you’re using up a utility skill slot to wait to use it when they’re downed…. Just…. Why? Why even bring it? It’s not even like elixir S or most form where it works vs most downed profs, it works against 1, 2 if you get lucky…. Just…. Wow Anet….

How about, you scrap the kittening reveal, and add cripple and 2stacks of bleed to every hit while Sick’Em is active? Boom significantly more useful

The Fernhound thing is, like yes, it’s 100% a buff, it has more healing then it did before… but I have a hard time really getting excited by that. That’s a 1k heal on what, a 20 sec CD?

Better then not having it, sure, but otherwise /shrug

Fordel.3208:

The Fernhound thing is, like yes, it’s 100% a buff, it has more healing then it did before… but I have a hard time really getting excited by that. That’s a 1k heal on what, a 20 sec CD?

Better then not having it, sure, but otherwise /shrug

1k heal, 1.3k with traits, it’s AoE, it supposedly also gives regen still, that’s A LOT of healing especially since our heal skills are short CD too

Ya, durzlla, I’m right there with ya. How much do you think the immobilze change is going to hurt? Because in my estimation, ranger does not have the escapibility required to attempt to immobilize and kite enemies after tomorrow. It seems ANET is pushing us in a shouts/beastmaster direction even though pet damage was reduced enough to make that build a nonstarter? Also, the extreme lack of stability ranger faces is a massive problem, regardless of the stun sigil round up problem that’s being fixed.

I guess there’s not much to do but try to be positive and wait.

Durzlla.6295:

1k heal, 1.3k with traits, it’s AoE, it supposedly also gives regen still, that’s A LOT of healing especially since our heal skills are short CD too

and i would use this over an aoe immobilize or fear why? 1k heal for a 2s long cast (lol) is terrible.

very, very underwhelming. fern hound heal will not make me use the pet. while increased HP for spirits will be nice for WvW, spirit buffs and actives still suck.

i like the upcoming MT fix. hoping for some good changes on ranger weapons.

Chopps.5047:

Ya, durzlla, I’m right there with ya. How much do you think the immobilze change is going to hurt? Because in my estimation, ranger does not have the escapibility required to attempt to immobilize and kite enemies after tomorrow. It seems ANET is pushing us in a shouts/beastmaster direction even though pet damage was reduced enough to make that build a nonstarter? Also, the extreme lack of stability ranger faces is a massive problem, regardless of the stun sigil round up problem that’s being fixed.

I guess there’s not much to do but try to be positive and wait.

It’s going to be us getting kittened repeatedly in PvP until they give us some decent, and reliable condi cleanse, or at LEAST a movement imparing effect cleanse…

On the bright side, my ele is going to be even more elusive than he was before, and is going to be a lot of fun if conjures are getting as buffed as it seems like they are going to be…

Durzlla.6295:

Chopps.5047:

Ya, durzlla, I’m right there with ya. How much do you think the immobilze change is going to hurt? Because in my estimation, ranger does not have the escapibility required to attempt to immobilize and kite enemies after tomorrow. It seems ANET is pushing us in a shouts/beastmaster direction even though pet damage was reduced enough to make that build a nonstarter? Also, the extreme lack of stability ranger faces is a massive problem, regardless of the stun sigil round up problem that’s being fixed.

I guess there’s not much to do but try to be positive and wait.

It’s going to be us getting kittened repeatedly in PvP until they give us some decent, and reliable condi cleanse, or at LEAST a movement imparing effect cleanse…

On the bright side, my ele is going to be even more elusive than he was before, and is going to be a lot of fun if conjures are getting as buffed as it seems like they are going to be…

Ya, dude, did you see those buffs to staff? I was imagining you jumping up and down.

On a happier note. I’ll have 4 seconds of protection after I dodge now~ Just hope they didn’t nerf vigorous renewal+healing spring combo.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Awesome-build-with-90-boon-duration/first#post2980133

Thieves already have a 3 second reveal affect if this effect stacks with the sic’em effect then I think its more than enough. They also said that everything wasn’t covered. So before we jump for joy or get bent out of shape or everything in-between lets just wait for the full patch

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Thieves already have a 3 second reveal affect if this effect stacks with the sic’em effect then I think its more than enough. They also said that everything wasn’t covered. So before we jump for joy or get bent out of shape or everything in-between lets just wait for the full patch

So you’re saying there’s a chance for a Juvenile Tequatl?

The way GW2 handles rangers reminds of the way Warhammer handled squig herders. They are both very fun classes but why can’t they get it freakin right and actually listen to some of the gripes from the community on the class.

So… the thread warning us about upcoming changes said some of the numbers for Ranger weapon skills (presumably damage, range, or cooldowns) were going to change.

Did they bother to play a Ranger long enough for anyone to see ANYTHING that might be related to that? Mouse over a weapon skill briefly, perhaps?

kiwituatara.6053:

On a happier note. I’ll have 4 seconds of protection after I dodge now~ Just hope they didn’t nerf vigorous renewal+healing spring combo.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Awesome-build-with-90-boon-duration/first#post2980133

Shhh… don’t give them any ideas!

Spirit buff is interesting, will have to try it out for wvw soon.

He could not even locate companions defense trait . Nuff said

Finally got around to watching the preview, and my thoughts from just the preview:

-If I can actually get my F2s to work when I need them to, my shamans build(s) will be even more unkillable than they already are.
-Sic’ Em was exactly as underwhelming as I expected it to be.
-Companions Defense is much better.

Overall, I need tomorrows longer list before I make an overall judgement call.

Sic Em’s gonna be a crazy hard counter to thief in small group and roamer play. You folks who think it sucks are looking at it’s potential wrong.

Think of it as an extra forgiving hard interrupt to the stealth chain, with pet benefits. It’s an undodgeable and unblockable one at that.

Your common stealth spam thief is stupid predictable and made of glass. If you’ve played one, you know their game. It’s easy.

Thief chains, get’s ready to go stea—NOPE. Catch that, and you win the fight. GG see you next time.

It’s pretty amazing, a ranger exclusive hard counter.

The only honest criticism that I can find for it is that it’s use will remain incredibly niche to these two play styles (roamer and small group play).
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Personally, what I’d like to see for Sic Em’ is to make the revealed buff applicable within the skill range (2000) and not need to be targeted;

Revealing and automatically sicking the pet on any thief or player in stealth within range.

This would give rangers a serious dedicated role in WvW for sweeping and general “want that guy in my roaming group for anti-thief purposes”.

As a mainly PvE player the first thing I’m going to check is Frost Spirit. If they fixed the ICD on that I might as well jump the boat and main some other profession.

There are changes also for zergfights, cause spirits gets only dmg when there are no ppl by them. So maybe in a guildzerg the spirits doesnt get killed befor the ppl gets killed. so maybe the spirits can fight long at the side of the group. But we have to try a lot.
Spirits that will not die in a zerg are pretty good, the only reason it was not playable was cause they died instantly. Now first ppl get dmg then minions and spirits and pets.
Maybe it is a hugh buff for our support spirits, so lets hope for that

In addition, AOE skills will be less dangerous to ours spirits and our pet because blocks and evades will be counted as a hit

as long as they dont fix the completely moronic (yeah – there – I said it – MORONIC) petsystem I really dont care…

All the things they showed are very very very underwhelming to me.

This is what I’m expecting: No other improvements besides the Pet hp & Healing spring nerf is probably incoming.
I guess the hope dies last :-)

I’m the only one to have noticed they said bufff of 71% of HP in PVE and nothing for wvwvw or Pvp ?

Because in zerg and such pets/spirits still gonna die fast…

BTW i’m interested in stack duration of immobilize, because muddy terrain+stone spirit quicksand + entangle…can make a lot of sec of immobilize…

Need to see the patchnotes btw..

Gorwald.6170:

I’m the only one to have noticed they said bufff of 71% of HP in PVE and nothing for wvwvw or Pvp ?

Because in zerg and such pets/spirits still gonna die fast…

BTW i’m interested in stack duration of immobilize, because muddy terrain+stone spirit quicksand + entangle…can make a lot of sec of immobilize…

Need to see the patchnotes btw..

As far as I know, WvW and PvE are considered the same game mode aside from the obvious package ban in WvW. It remains to be seen how this will help any in a big zerg. I’m not very optimistic that much will change since I can drop in 2 seconds with 20k health and 3000 armor if I wade into an aoe clusterkitten by mistake and pets do that habitually.

71% of whatever melts to a zerg in 1 second is ….. 1.71 seconds.

Yah, gratz … enjoy your 60 sec cooldown on it while I’m playing Guardian and moving OUT of the dozens of lovely red circles with the help of Stability that’s up every 10 seconds

You guys think 4 secs reveal is nothing ?

It’s enough to kill any thief, yesterday I was experimenting with a barserker build with sigils ( lb/gs) and I faced like 6/7 thiefs 1vs1, every one expet for 1 lucky guy died with this combo :

Auto attack —> signet of the hunt —> auto attack —> rapid fire, only one of them survived and stealthed, but by then I knew where he was ( ty rapid fire ) and with 1 maul I downed him, I estimated that the thief is alive for only 3 seconds of the mach ( after 3 secs they are downed with 50%/75% hp), so 4 seconds is overkill imho

Probelm ? if you take more than 4 secs to kill the thief its not worth to bring sic’em, so any bunker rengen build won’t need it, exept for havoc groups.

Problem actually, it’s they said they buff the party interest in this patch for each class….i don’t see any interest in Ranger preview in fact….

Fern hound 1k heal…lol? Did you see the necro heal buff on deathshroud? cmon…

Buff in AOE for mantras mesmers, buffs in heal support for necros, buffs in AOE support again for guardians, buffs for elementalist i nearly all ways, buffs for warrior shouts in healing + last hammer skill cast in move now, buffs on engineer bomb/grenades, buffs on poisons for thief….

Did you see any interest to get a ranger in your group after this preview? me not

we still have perma fury, might, swifness and reg for the group, heavy cc, good dmg without loosing to much surviability. totaly op kite skills ( yesterday we had a group fight ( we 5, them 10 ) i kited 5 ppl while my mates killed the first 5. after that we killed the rest.

ranger is in much better shape then everyone in this forum seems to realize

healing spring will remove 1 condition every 2 seconds ( huge buff again condition spikes ). horn 5 for additional 1500 group heal, pet blast finisher for another 1500 …. look at the ranger as a ranger and not as an archer.

This makes me SO kitten angry. It’s like a joke. They buff already strong classes and give us crap. They don’t fix broken mechanics or trait lines and make changes that don’t matter.

Did you see how much time they spent talking about Rangers? Like 25% of every other class.

It’s a malicious joke.

MementoMortis.4258:

This makes me SO kitten angry. It’s like a joke. They buff already strong classes and give us crap. They don’t fix broken mechanics or trait lines and make changes that don’t matter.

Did you see how much time they spent talking about Rangers? Like 25% of every other class.

It’s a malicious joke.

Patience. I’ll be right there with you at 12:30est this afternoon as I don’t expect much. But at the very least give ANet the benefit of the doubt (even though we have a year of experience telling us why they don’t deserve it) and wait till the full notes are made available.

Also Maul now applies 5 stack of vuln..He hit a golem with it

Sauzo.6821:

The way GW2 handles rangers reminds of the way Warhammer handled squig herders. They are both very fun classes but why can’t they get it freakin right and actually listen to some of the gripes from the community on the class.

This x10000. I did extremely well with the SH (btw the best class in any mmo so far)back when it was considered under powered. After they “fixed” every other class, the SH fell to the wayside of more popular classes like the Bright Wizard, Iron Breaker, and Witch.

I am seeing the same thing with the Ranger. Watching the preview was rather disheartening for a few reasons.

1. They had every class set up ready for the livestream….except Ranger. They didn’t even have the traits placed.
2. The guy could not find Companions Defense in the skill tree. He was looking for a major trait. Seriously, these are devs?
3. Time spent on Ranger preview was significantly lower than any other class.
4. When the devs got to Guardian and Warrior you could see they got very excited.

I really thought Anet was pushing for the whole feedback and collaborative development? I have seen nothing implemented, besides the protection on dodge, that most people have been suggesting. From simple things like larger pet pet sizes as the Ranger lvls, to bigger things such as a re worked pet mechanic. Not sure of Anet has anyone in house that likes/plays/cares for the Ranger class.

Getting the ranger fixed will be hard. ANet doesn’t play their own game, and they surely won’t just “believe” what they read here (if they ever read).

Coarr.3286:

we still have perma fury, might, swifness and reg for the group, heavy cc, good dmg without loosing to much surviability. totaly op kite skills ( yesterday we had a group fight ( we 5, them 10 ) i kited 5 ppl while my mates killed the first 5. after that we killed the rest.

ranger is in much better shape then everyone in this forum seems to realize

healing spring will remove 1 condition every 2 seconds ( huge buff again condition spikes ). horn 5 for additional 1500 group heal, pet blast finisher for another 1500 …. look at the ranger as a ranger and not as an archer.

Since when does
Ranger have perma fury? Fury is relatively hard to get. You have to take certain abilities, pets, and weapons for it. Now that guardians give fury, ranger fury is worth even less in my mind.

26/28 sec on my build fury uptime. so you are right. not perma fury

Can two Rangers stack the Sic Em to reveal for 8 seconds?

That’s a good question. Even if you can’t, it would be relatively easy to chain the reveal if you pay attention.

Chopps.5047:

That’s a good question. Even if you can’t, it would be relatively easy to chain the reveal if you pay attention.

Thanks, actually said stack, but meant Chain the reveal or is there some sort of Theif inv. for a bit once the first Sic Em lands?

Sic em will land the reveal instantly on your target (unblockable and cannot be evaded). Does that help? I’m not quite sure what you’re asking.

Coarr.3286:

26/28 sec on my build fury uptime. so you are right. not perma fury

You need a stuff oriented to boons duration, so your dps will be very low, except if you play condition…like 90% of rangers in fact

You need the warhorn AND the red MOA, so yeah you can achieve great fury duration stack (can go to 1min+) but at what cost? Warhorn is not even condi weapon so you lost one slot for only a buff

And the red MOA need to be still to cast his shout and even with that, the most of time he’s too far away from you so you don’t get the buff…so yeah, nice we can get fury to our group whoohhooo let’s get the ranger in our group…

Or not…

i’m still waiting to see someone tell me : “hey get your ranger with us, wee need this classe !” instead of “ok, no take your guardian/warrior/necro pls”

Warhorn is actually pretty good with a sigil of earth due to 16 rapid attacks…

But ya expect the warrior and guardian calls from wvw commanders to continue. Guardians just got huge insane buffs to hallowed ground and another ability. They give +20% boon duration while in hallowed ground and – condition duration aoe somewhere else. If you’re a guardian, you should be loving this patch already.