Guild Wars 2

I am pretty sure this will get deleted, but enough is enough. After the bullkitten Irenio spewed at the Twitch Druid reveal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K2ZHhJQn0B8#t=2356 to refresh your memory) and seeing things only get worse and worse up till the point that using healing gear on a Druid to heal is counter productive (https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3tjhj7/the_druid_change_is_ridiculous_and/) and too many words are already spilled in lamentation of the Ranger spec.

Don’t talk the talk if you cannot walk the walk, and actions speak louder then words, and I think noone can disagree with the notion that Irenio does not give a toss about the Ranger/Druid profession, only ready to apply kneejerk nerfs to problems that could get a way more elegant fix that would not again make the Ranger/Druid worse. I am most likely not the only one that whenever ‘a new build is available’ is wondering what is screwed up now.

The solution is clear imo, stop throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks and get someone on board that really want `to bring rangers/druids more in line with the other professions’ to use an Irenio quote. A fresh objective look is needed, and tbh it needs to happen sooner then later since we are about to throw in the towel and say kitten it.

I don’t want to call out Ireino, since he is the only person we’ve had real commincation with on this forum. Honestly believe that the changes Ireino tries to push are denied since Anet has shown they don’t give a kitten about the class

DoogySnowStalker.2069:

I don’t want to call out Ireino, since he is the only person we’ve had real commincation with on this forum. […]

Agreed, there’s no use in calling a single person out, when we don’t have any idea if and how said person is involved. Furthermore, the implementation of changes is team work, so it’s always a number of people messing up at the same time and not a singular person only.

I know everyone is looking for a scapegoat these days, but this won’t get us anywhere.

My though is that Irenio actually doesn’t care about the ranger. Seems like Anet imposed this class into him, maybe because nobody at the offices want to get this mess.
He has been doing the least work as possible, and that is reflected in the lamentable state of the druid.
I don’t think the situation here is that Irenio gets denied the changes, actually i think irenio simply doesn’t give a crap. Most probably the druid was an amazing half cooked desing that got dismembered and shared between the other specializations because irenio’s team simply didn’t care what going to be the class. So we are left with a broken mess where no trait, skill or anything makes any sense anymore.

So yes please, i think we need a real designer that is willing to do its job and make this class to have some sense. Obviously the actual team (i don’t think Irenio is alone in this endeavour) don’t want to do it.
And for the flagship class that was shown the first is just ridiculous insulting.

PvE is simply boring as hell with the lack of rewarding events, the loot is really crap, and the events to the extreme repetitive.
The raids and any competitive modes are out of the ranger/druid reach, no rewards in any sense because the class being completely subpar and broken.

As i said, not a dime from me anymore, and probably not much play either.

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

edit : map completion on all four maps aswell

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

It’s impossible to make everyone happy.
sPvP Ranger community was crying since always for team utility, since Ranger wasn’t really contribution at all after Spirit Ranger nerf and went our of sPvP meta completly.
Druid fixed most of our issues in SPvP and made us meta once again, with pretty unique role.

I can understand that Druid wasn’t much wanted in PvE, which always was “zerker speedrun meta”…

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on… I’d rather see Ranger community asking more about fixes for “Ranger problems” than complain about “bad Druid design”, since Druid is really awesome.

Morwath.9817:

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

It’s impossible to make everyone happy.
sPvP Ranger community was crying since always for team utility, since Ranger wasn’t really contribution at all after Spirit Ranger nerf and went our of sPvP meta completly.
Druid fixed most of our issues in SPvP and made us meta once again, with pretty unique role.

I can understand that Druid wasn’t much wanted in PvE, which always was “zerker speedrun meta”…

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on… I’d rather see Ranger community asking more about fixes for “Ranger problems” than complain about “bad Druid design”, since Druid is really awesome.

i agree , you see i made short bow legendary ONLY for the spirit build coz i was rocking it and i even went very high some days that the game placed my team against old TCG with rom sizer helseth tage and danshee – lost badly thou – , then they nerfed it and shortbow went to the toilet
i used to play as tarpper before as well , but isnt that just lame to have 1 build available as meta for druids? i can roll my old surival longbow/GS build but thats unfair compared to the 3~4 build necro can do

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

It’s impossible to make everyone happy.
sPvP Ranger community was crying since always for team utility, since Ranger wasn’t really contribution at all after Spirit Ranger nerf and went our of sPvP meta completly.
Druid fixed most of our issues in SPvP and made us meta once again, with pretty unique role.

I can understand that Druid wasn’t much wanted in PvE, which always was “zerker speedrun meta”…

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on… I’d rather see Ranger community asking more about fixes for “Ranger problems” than complain about “bad Druid design”, since Druid is really awesome.

i agree , you see i made short bow legendary ONLY for the spirit build coz i was rocking it and i even went very high some days that the game placed my team against old TCG with rom sizer helseth tage and danshee – lost badly thou – , then they nerfed it and shortbow went to the toilet
i used to play as tarpper before as well , but isnt that just lame to have 1 build available as meta for druids? i can roll my old surival longbow/GS build but thats unfair compared to the 3~4 build necro can do

In last Pro League we had 3 different trait line setups with 3 different amulets for Druids, while all Necros used same trait lines for every build, even if they also used 3 different amulets, the only real difference in their traits was “Dhumfire or not Dhumfire, thats the question?”. I’d say we as Druids got much more build variation than Reapers.

Ranger is in the best state it has ever had since launch. Fine in all three game modes. Can’t ask for much more than that. Obviously there are some things that could be improved, but overall the class is working well atm.

Mcrocha.3891:

Ranger is in the best state it has ever had since launch. Fine in all three game modes. Can’t ask for much more than that. Obviously there are some things that could be improved, but overall the class is working well atm.

This. Especially PvP. Conquest ranger is amazing. So much more utility than its ever had before.

Can all the scrubs who have been here for 5 minutes, and feel the right to complain, just be quiet.

I think these threads are kind of annoying. I think Druid brings some much needed improvement. Of course it’s not perfect. We only had 1 BWE on it. That’s not automatically Irenio’s fault.

Irenio is an employee, you can’t expect him to be able to do whatever he wants whenever he wants.

WTB: Someone who actually knows what they’re talking about and can put forth a cohesive argument when they complain.

K thx bye

Sube Dai.8496:

Mcrocha.3891:

Ranger is in the best state it has ever had since launch. Fine in all three game modes. Can’t ask for much more than that. Obviously there are some things that could be improved, but overall the class is working well atm.

This. Especially PvP. Conquest ranger is amazing. So much more utility than its ever had before.

Can all the scrubs who have been here for 5 minutes, and feel the right to complain, just be quiet.

you sir are the true scrub if you ask me , truly

the OP just stated his opinion and if you just dont like it , dont post in here or just dont call everyone who oppose your opinion a scrub , if u see Morwath he is just debating and i agree to most of what he said including fixing the core ranger problems
and yes i agree with you that pvp ranger/druid is fine now or even at its best hence all the druids in the last Pro League streaming

so please refrain from being an aggressive scrub cause anyone can act tough on the forums

Makka.3620:

Sube Dai.8496:

Mcrocha.3891:

Ranger is in the best state it has ever had since launch. Fine in all three game modes. Can’t ask for much more than that. Obviously there are some things that could be improved, but overall the class is working well atm.

This. Especially PvP. Conquest ranger is amazing. So much more utility than its ever had before.

Can all the scrubs who have been here for 5 minutes, and feel the right to complain, just be quiet.

you sir are the true scrub if you ask me , truly

the OP just stated his opinion and if you just dont like it , dont post in here or just dont call everyone who oppose your opinion a scrub , if u see Morwath he is just debating and i agree to most of what he said including fixing the core ranger problems
and yes i agree with you that pvp ranger/druid is fine now or even at its best hence all the druids in the last Pro League streaming

so please refrain from being an aggressive scrub cause anyone can act tough on the forums

If, as you agree, rangers are in a good spot in pvp, then what is the op complaining about? From what I’ve seen, it works fine in pve. Is viable in raids, fractals etc. Are we complaining at this point for the sake of complaining?

I keep telling you ppl the developers cant talk right now on the forums because something big is planned to release.

Same thing happen leading up to HoT reveal.

blame their policy not the developer of the class.

Mcrocha.3891:

If, as you agree, rangers are in a good spot in pvp, then what is the op complaining about? From what I’ve seen, it works fine in pve. Is viable in raids, fractals etc. Are we complaining at this point for the sake of complaining?

For the most part yea people are just complaining for the sake or they don’t like a specific part of our kit.

You can argue with these people but it’s a waste of breath. They’ll tell your wrong because feels.

Knighthonor.4061:

I keep telling you ppl the developers cant talk right now on the forums because something big is planned to release.

Same thing happen leading up to HoT reveal.

blame their policy not the developer of the class.

If my memory is correct this tuseday should be leagues and a balance pass. Totally expecting the shuffle around on strong and weak points.

Eval.2371:

Mcrocha.3891:

If, as you agree, rangers are in a good spot in pvp, then what is the op complaining about? From what I’ve seen, it works fine in pve. Is viable in raids, fractals etc. Are we complaining at this point for the sake of complaining?

For the most part yea people are just complaining for the sake or they don’t like a specific part of our kit.

You can argue with these people but it’s a waste of breath. They’ll tell your wrong because feels.

Knighthonor.4061:

I keep telling you ppl the developers cant talk right now on the forums because something big is planned to release.

Same thing happen leading up to HoT reveal.

blame their policy not the developer of the class.

If my memory is correct this tuseday should be leagues and a balance pass. Totally expecting the shuffle around on strong and weak points.

Anet has never put small changes over a large content addition.

remember when they switched to the new trait system? No point buffing something now if everything is changing again. Thats all i am saying.

well, if the class is only viable by using the elite spec, we rangers are in a dire situation.
I honestly don’t like druid (personal taste, don’t like healing roles) and if to be viable ranger has to be a druid, then something is reslly wrong. besides, druid seems to lack synergy with the remaining trait lines, which is an obvious lack in design.
apart from druid, core ranger needs some boosts. shouts, pet AI, sword AA, shortbow, all these need some rework in order for the core class to be viable on its own and to allow build diversity.

kzar.3079:

well, if the class is only viable by using the elite spec, we rangers are in a dire situation.
I honestly don’t like druid (personal taste, don’t like healing roles) and if to be viable ranger has to be a druid, then something is reslly wrong. besides, druid seems to lack synergy with the remaining trait lines, which is an obvious lack in design.
apart from druid, core ranger needs some boosts. shouts, pet AI, sword AA, shortbow, all these need some rework in order for the core class to be viable on its own and to allow build diversity.

Were not solely bound to using druid. Condi ranger is up there with engineer and has a much simpler dps rotation. It’s very viable in pve. Power, condi and druid based builds are all viable in wvw/pvp. I am seeing a range of builds everywhere and people having success with them.

The only places I really see us struggle is where we have bugs(eg spirits), shortbow being what it is, and the last changing to how healing power interacts with Astral force.

Mcrocha.3891:

Ranger is in the best state it has ever had since launch. Fine in all three game modes. Can’t ask for much more than that. Obviously there are some things that could be improved, but overall the class is working well atm.

See:

Morwath.9817:

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on…

Druid is okay-ish, but core Ranger still needs work. Pet issues can also be added to that list as something that really needs addressing. I also still dont feel like Druid meshes as well with base Ranger as an Elite spec as Herald, Reaper, and Tempest do, especially without its signature weapon (staff, which is kinda underwhelming) while the others can roll without theirs just fine.

They’re probably still making tweaks, but that’s how I feel about it anyway. Druid is usable if you want to support, but I’d really like to see changes made to what we had before the Druid, at least before they overtune or run the Spec further into the ground.

Can we please just fix the spirits prioritisation please.

Knighthonor.4061:

I keep telling you ppl the developers cant talk right now on the forums because something big is planned to release.

Same thing happen leading up to HoT reveal.

blame their policy not the developer of the class.

They have been this way for the last couple years.

The only other dev that has ever really held a dialogue here was the one dungeons guy who left Anet a while back.

Morwath.9817:

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

It’s impossible to make everyone happy.
sPvP Ranger community was crying since always for team utility, since Ranger wasn’t really contribution at all after Spirit Ranger nerf and went our of sPvP meta completly.
Druid fixed most of our issues in SPvP and made us meta once again, with pretty unique role.

I can understand that Druid wasn’t much wanted in PvE, which always was “zerker speedrun meta”…

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on… I’d rather see Ranger community asking more about fixes for “Ranger problems” than complain about “bad Druid design”, since Druid is really awesome.

what the fek are you smoking? druid is awesome? No it’s not.

It was and after this last nerf, it’s not.

I used to think that ANET was blatantly biased towards Warriors and Eles, but after warriors got the shaft, they aren’t showing favoritism, they are just clueless.

I’m doing ok with Druid atm. I didn’t think I would after so many nerfs, but I guess I’m just dealing with it. I sure do hope these bugs are fixed and changes made for a better AF/CA access system.

Knighthonor.4061:

I keep telling you ppl the developers cant talk right now on the forums because something big is planned to release.

Same thing happen leading up to HoT reveal.

blame their policy not the developer of the class.

I sure hope so.

Eval.2371:

kzar.3079:

well, if the class is only viable by using the elite spec, we rangers are in a dire situation.
I honestly don’t like druid (personal taste, don’t like healing roles) and if to be viable ranger has to be a druid, then something is reslly wrong. besides, druid seems to lack synergy with the remaining trait lines, which is an obvious lack in design.
apart from druid, core ranger needs some boosts. shouts, pet AI, sword AA, shortbow, all these need some rework in order for the core class to be viable on its own and to allow build diversity.

Were not solely bound to using druid. Condi ranger is up there with engineer and has a much simpler dps rotation. It’s very viable in pve. Power, condi and druid based builds are all viable in wvw/pvp. I am seeing a range of builds everywhere and people having success with them.

The only places I really see us struggle is where we have bugs(eg spirits), shortbow being what it is, and the last changing to how healing power interacts with Astral force.

Of course we can play other specs. But why would we not want a good elite spec? It’s offensive that you even mention it in such a blase manner. “You can use other specs”. Huh, I did not know that. You sir have enlightened me!

Condi trapper-really? I run it, in pvp. It’s a blast. It would be fun with a working druid line.

And then you mention our bugs…. that is a lot of stuff. And you failed to mention about a million things. Why are traps not throwable? Why were trapper runes nerfed? Why do our pets suck? Why are we penalized because of the pets dps? Why does sword, shortbow and spirits suck?

Why does anet break 2 things when trying to fix one.

One step forward, two steps back, trip and break their necks…

I saw plenty of druids up until the last nerf. Now I don’t see many variations of build.

Where is the communication from Anet?

EnderzShadow.2506:

Morwath.9817:

Makka.3620:

Morwath.9817:

Leave Irenio alone, he did great job with Druid.

i respect you and i respect your posts and your efforts to help the PvP community , But the Ranger class is just boring at the moment , and iam a 3 year old ranger now with the exception of dungeon farming as warrior , i finished HoT mostly including quests , masteries (144 )-the 17 remaining for me are tyria related- , adventures and achievements .

I was doing nothing new as i was doing all the content really beside the occasional f5 to heal myself and people near champs and ancient seeds trait mostly .

While reapers had their new flashy mode , chronos having fun, guardians having fun too, warriors thou they r non existent in PvP picture now but they rock PvE , ele’s and thieves are on the same boot as us but ele’s seems to enjoy their tempest cause iam seeing much of them , engi’s r enjoying the raids , and dont get me started on rev’s , I know that druid is awesome in PvP and once i get back from work i will give it another go in PvP but i cant get my hand on the thing we are missing to be honest , all i know is that i just dont want to be specialized as a healing class , and i know most of you will tell me not to dedicate it as a healer and i know i just finished all content solo " not healing"

It’s impossible to make everyone happy.
sPvP Ranger community was crying since always for team utility, since Ranger wasn’t really contribution at all after Spirit Ranger nerf and went our of sPvP meta completly.
Druid fixed most of our issues in SPvP and made us meta once again, with pretty unique role.

I can understand that Druid wasn’t much wanted in PvE, which always was “zerker speedrun meta”…

Ranger still has many old issues, like e.g. not good enough traps, crappy shouts, overnerfed Spirits, pseudo leap on sword AA, overnerfed shortbow and list goes on… I’d rather see Ranger community asking more about fixes for “Ranger problems” than complain about “bad Druid design”, since Druid is really awesome.

what the fek are you smoking? druid is awesome? No it’s not.

It was and after this last nerf, it’s not.

I used to think that ANET was blatantly biased towards Warriors and Eles, but after warriors got the shaft, they aren’t showing favoritism, they are just clueless.

Haven’t you said that you don’t have HoT in other thread, which means you got 0 games played as Druid? How can you pass judgement based on patchnotes without even playing our sub-profession?

Isn’t that insane to come here and tell us that Druid isn’t any good without even playing single game with it, even if many of us are playing Druid everyday since HoT launch?

It’s one of those moments, when I’m sure I know why Irenio doesn’t communicate with Ranger community…

If you ask about my humble opinion …
… I don’t think calling out Irenio is the right approach.

He’s been the one to constantly push Druids and Rangers themselves where they needed to be but it seems to me that every single time he tried to do so he got hammered mercilessly back down to ground.
If I wanted to call a name, I’d go for Roy. Not Irenio.

About the Druid state:
Druid is now viable in all game mods. That’s correct. That’s absolutely correct. The problem, however, is that the design is (oh my god) SO awful that people don’t enjoy it at all and we still suffer from the same flaws as we used to before.

Druid forcing players into exploits is plain horrible. Whoever thinks otherwise is probably just afraid to stand out of the crowd and say it loud.
Druid is now the most horribly designed class out of all Guild Wars 2 history. It is viable, I know. But you can’t hide the fact that ANet failed their job at it’s finest.

@Tragic Positive.9356
How people doesn’t enjoy it at all?
I love it, as much as I loved Monks in GW1. Speak for yourself.

Morwath.9817:

@Tragic Positive.9356
How people don’t enjoy it at all?
I love it, as much as I loved Monks in GW1. Speak for yourself.

I’ll be speaking for majority, if you excuse me.
You think I’m wrong? Take a look around forums. Websites. Discussions. Guild chats.
Then go compare the numbers of people who love druids (for being good, not for being fans of healers).

I’m afraid you’d be the one to be speaking only for yourself. Unfortunately, there’s way too many people who already expressed their displease and discomfort about Druid itself using great, logical and solid argumentation while I haven’t seen a single constructive positive opinion about it.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Morwath.9817:

@Tragic Positive.9356
How people don’t enjoy it at all?
I love it, as much as I loved Monks in GW1. Speak for yourself.

I’ll be speaking for majority, if you excuse me.
You think I’m wrong? Take a look around forums. Websites. Discussions. Guild chats.
Then go compare the numbers of people who love druids (for being good, not for being fans of healers).

I’m afraid you’d be the one to be speaking only for yourself. Unfortunately, there’s way too many people who already expressed their displease and discomfort about Druid itself using great, logical and solid argumentation while I haven’t seen a single constructive positive opinion about it.

At least rangers actually have a competitive build for higher content in pve? It doesn’t matter if rangers are pigeonholed into one build to do a raid because at least you can do that if you want. It’s not like other classes can run around and play some non-meta scrub build and be good in raids.

This is the problem with metas. People think that their class sucks if they can’t play the way they want in the hardest content in the game. There is nothing wrong with Ranger in 95% of pve. Only specific encounters require certain builds to be the most successful which is perfectly reasonable.

Mcrocha.3891:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Morwath.9817:

@Tragic Positive.9356
How people don’t enjoy it at all?
I love it, as much as I loved Monks in GW1. Speak for yourself.

I’ll be speaking for majority, if you excuse me.
You think I’m wrong? Take a look around forums. Websites. Discussions. Guild chats.
Then go compare the numbers of people who love druids (for being good, not for being fans of healers).

I’m afraid you’d be the one to be speaking only for yourself. Unfortunately, there’s way too many people who already expressed their displease and discomfort about Druid itself using great, logical and solid argumentation while I haven’t seen a single constructive positive opinion about it.

At least rangers actually have a competitive build for higher content in pve? It doesn’t matter if rangers are pigeonholed into one build to do a raid because at least you can do that if you want. It’s not like other classes can run around and play some non-meta scrub build and be good in raids.

This is the problem with metas. People think that their class sucks if they can’t play the way they want in the hardest content in the game. There is nothing wrong with Ranger in 95% of pve. Only specific encounters require certain builds to be the most successful which is perfectly reasonable.

give this guy a candy really @ Tragic Positive

Morwath u just gotta accept that many of us dont like the mechanics of the class or the direction anet wanted to go with , You enjoy , i dont blame you after all its a matter of tastes but when this specific class – Ranger – gets a spec that is not liked by many of its users then u must admit that something is wrong , and i will say it again ive played druid for more than 200 hours in HoT and i think if i did play that long period of time on another class i woulda had much more fun and i will do so once i get back from work in a few days , u may ask why i didnt stop playing immediately after i knew that spec wasnt that much entertaining , the answer is that i wanted to race through maguuma jungle and understand it first before i start working on alts

i know druid is viable in pvp , i know druid in viable in raids thou tempests will soon take our spot – iam not sure about that but iam reading lots about it – , but druid isnt fun in all other PvE content , and sorry i dont wanna play my core ranger unless i really HAD to

Morwath.9817:

@Tragic Positive.9356
How people doesn’t enjoy it at all?
I love it, as much as I loved Monks in GW1. Speak for yourself.

Cool beans bro.

The rest of us who rolled Ranger to play a Ranger aren’t so thrilled, especially after waves of nerfs meant to make using Druid as obtuse and unpleasant as possible.

I must admit, the silence from Irenio is worrying.

It could be that they have to remain silent till the next big balance patch.

Anyway, does it really matter? Good feedbacks were given and they didn’t listen. Last patch broke the specialization in PvP and WvW. I mean, it was ok to fix it but not without a change to in-combat AF generation (generation per value instead of per tick required here) and a natural out-of-combat AF generation (5% per sec could have been fine).
The druid’s current situation is ridiculous.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I must admit, the silence from Irenio is worrying.

There are several possibilities on what is possibly happening behind the scenes.

1. Irenio took a lot of single-handed decisions that other developers felt being out of hand – resulting in restrictions to what Irenio can do by himself.
2. Irenio is not allowed to talk to people about any big changes to avoid “spoilers”. He wasn’t allowed to talk to the community before Druid reveal, this might be the same case.
3. They acknowledge their fail in design and don’t want to talk to community about anything of what’s about to come because they are not sure themselves. False promises cause much worse backfire from community than false changes.

Regardless of which one of it it is : There’s no reason to go cause so much commotion about it. If they are silent – they have their reasons.
All we can do now is wait for their decisions and react to what happens. Reacting to elements that have never taken place, yet, is not beneficial to anyone.

Earix.5684:

It could be that they have to remain silent till the next big balance patch.

Anyway, does it really matter? Good feedbacks were given and they didn’t listen. Last patch broke the specialization in PvP and WvW. I mean, it was ok to fix it but not without a change to in-combat AF generation (generation per value instead of per tick required here) and a natural out-of-combat AF generation (5% per sec could have been fine).
The druid’s current situation is ridiculous.

Broke? Probably thats why Druid was as much played as Tempest, Scrapper and Reaper during EU Pro League last week… we will see today how its this week, it may be different due to Shiro/Malyx popularity, but it may not.

They made a huge mistakte by only give the scrapper and druid only 1 BWE to test and now they dont improve them like the other classes.

they did say that there where going to make a “lot of changes” later on they were even talk about doing changes to the astral force gain mechanic (atleast they said so during the druid reveal) so Im gonna hold my thumbs and wait for wintersday which is prob when the next major patch will hit

Redemer.2601:

they did say that there where going to make a “lot of changes” later on they were even talk about doing changes to the astral force gain mechanic (atleast they said so during the druid reveal) so Im gonna hold my thumbs and wait for wintersday which is prob when the next major patch will hit

They might have been talking about their ridiculous nerfs and hammers that they keep throwing at us.
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What? Those are changes, too.