Guild Wars 2

Hey ranger fellas!

We all know the warrior is getting more and more overpowered with every update!

BUT!

I usually use my LB/GS ranger for WvW roaming and warriors are just easy targets for me… they literally die like flys!

I feel like EVERYONE rerolls a warrior because he thinks he can roll his head on the keyboard and kill anything… so 1/10 warrior really knows his class and 9/10 have no idea how to play this class.

Is it just me or did u notized smth similiar?

i met a ranger like you with my warrior in WvW once . He died

Chokolata.1870:

i met a ranger like you with my warrior in WvW once . He died

Dude… you don´t even know me.
Anyway I didn´t say all Warriors are noobs but because of this whole inflation thing the percentage of real good Warriors decreased extremly imo.

I think its related to the fact that pretty much all pve warriors are full zerk. They don’t bother respeccing, re-gearing for WvW.

Big numbers impress small minds

Not at all. Sword/sword warriors are unkillable and so are (to a lesser extent) longbow/hammer warriors. Are you trolling?

Sina.9208:

I think its related to the fact that pretty much all pve warriors are full zerk. They don’t bother respeccing, re-gearing for WvW.

This must be it. Any warrior who know how to use sword or longbow with proper pvp build is going to just faceroll.

ChioChip.5970:

Hey ranger fellas!

We all know the warrior is getting more and more overpowered with every update!

BUT!

I usually use my LB/GS ranger for WvW roaming and warriors are just easy targets for me… they literally die like flys!

I feel like EVERYONE rerolls a warrior because he thinks he can roll his head on the keyboard and kill anything… so 1/10 warrior really knows his class and 9/10 have no idea how to play this class.

Is it just me or did u notized smth similiar?

Well to be honest if you roll a warrior you literally can roll your head on the keyboard and kill almost anything, that’s not to say they don’t have some counters but they are few and not many can deal with them a ranger will generally lose for instance, in fact given what they and we have to offer we should lose.

The influx of bad warriors you see has nothing to do with warriors themselves though, it’s the wvw season achivements that brought all casual players that never done any pvp at all in there.

I think this hugely depends on the warrior build as well. Unless they run hammer or mace, I don’t see them causing a problem to a condi ranger. Sword dagger has access to a lot of poison. They can run away of course, but so can many other professions.

I’m not having any issues running full berserker on my warrior. The sheer amount of self sustain and damage is just way too much for pretty much any class to take on. Axe/shield and GS wreaks things faster than any ranger could ever dream of.

I guess OP meant thing like here on 18:01:
http://youtu.be/qkfnMd3yreg?t=18m
(it’s from 6 months ago)

Yeah, zerk warriors always were joke, no matter what build I used. Maybe once or twice some managed to 100b me while I had all skills on CD during fight with other guy, but I can’t recall any zerk warr being a problem for me 1v1.

ok, ill let you duel a couple longbow/hammer warriors in pvp , and let me know how that longbow/gs zerk build works out for you

the fact is, most people play at a non-competitive level, and they kill a guy who practically blows on warrior and then the make the assumption that ‘hey everything is alright, i do fine against all these warriors, they actually suck!’ … No everything is not alright, it’s FAR from alright. When you start playing actually good players in most of these other professions, you simply and literally realize how underpowered the ranger class actually is to them.

limited pet AI control leads to nothing but a very low skill ceiling, tied to that with very telegraphed builds – if you’re spirits, they already know exactly what you can do and many have ways to counter them, that includes warriors running longbow/hammer builds because they know you’re running either 10/0/30/30/0 – 0/10/30/30/0 or 0/0/30/30/10 – the problem with those mixtures is there is NO differentiation between the play style, it’s all relative yet different traits. If you run BM , they know exactly what traits you run because you can’t run anything in BM other than the common 0/0/30/10/30 or 0/10/30/10/20 because there’s no point otherwise.

If you run zerker, they obviously know you have no condition removal, this is obviously very easily countered with voila, running conditions.

The problem is our skills/traits/utilities and pets AI lead to such a shallow skill ceiling that once you actually start playing against people who are truly good with their class, they will always have an advantage due to skill ceiling.

This includes:

1. warrior – settler’s ammy longbow / sword shield , zerker hammer/longbow , anything settler’s with longbow and sword/sword – complete counters to any build a ranger comes up with
2. thief – 30/0/10/0/30 is a joke to us, any condition build run by a thief murders us due to manipulation of a poorly implemented passive condition removal system that muders our pets – i will say though introduction of sic em has helped tremendously
3. mesmer (arcane thievery kittens any ranger because any ranger is running condi who wants to take this game seriously in a competitive fashion) – any condi mesmer is broken atm and counters probably every ranger build.
4. engi – i think engi may have the highest skill ceiling in the game and completely obliterate our pet well within the time range to swap pets even with the BM trait with condi burst loading because of empathic bond
5. d/d elementalist – they’re weak atm to alot of classes that condi burst like engi/necromancers but they still have arguably one of the highest skill ceilings in the game when it comes to classes in general
6. condi necromancer – other than distance, rangers are weak in all aspects to condi necromancers, again because of shoddy passive condi removal that destroys our pets

Don’t get me wrong, empathic bond seems nice on paper but in the jist of it all, it actually blows and leads to very telegraphed gameplay. All you need to do is look for 3 condi removal and then count to 10 again, if that is not some of the most telegraphed condi removal in the game idk what is. It’s very easily manipulated, and done well by good players.

Couple that with our horrible power scaling and lack of any true power build in general. The reason why warrior does zerker well is because of power scaling / coefficients on weapons but most importaly , they give up no condition removal to obtain maximum results with a zerker build ,none , at all. It’s like this with alot of classes actually.

The ranger class might be the most pidgeonholed class in the game at the moment and it’s very sad that players keep coming up here and talking about how they killed some horrid kitten warrior and then claim that wariors are ‘still easy’.

Like I said, i have about 10 warrior friends who you can duel right now with your longbow/gs build, let me know if you want to.

dueling in open world would solve this. really settle who the better class is (obviously warrior). you wish you were as skilled with a longbow as warriors. skill is nothing compared to based luck that is ZRRRKRRR! i will turn everything into a coin toss fixed in my favor while you’re worried about how u flip the coin!
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Ryan.8367:

The ranger class might be the most pidgeonholed class in the game at the moment and it’s very sad that players keep coming up here and talking about how they killed some horrid kitten warrior and then claim that wariors are ‘still easy’.

The OP is speaking about wvw where I feel rangers do have options available, so they are not pigeonholed that much. Also he didn’t claim they are easy, he claimed that the number of baddies has gone up.

lol they must have been absolute kitten Warriors to lose to a GS/LB ranger.

A proper Warrior is overflowing with gap closers so LB is worth nothing and everything but Maul on the GS will barely scratch a healing sig warrior while they curb stomp you with stun chains.

Longbow/Shortbow works pretty decent against any Warrior who’s not Sword+WH/GS build with mobile strikes. Most of them run with hammers now, alone they’re not a problem, they may barely scratch you, but kiting with both bows +spider(s) is far superior to their gapclosers. I’ve been always saying that – LB/GS isn’t a priper skirmish/roaming weapon IMO. It’s good for zergs and running away from zergs, but for actual power play wvwvw fighting when you plan to play bows – hell no!
@ as for Empathic Bond – it’s decent against engineers, mesmers, thieves etc but not against Necromancers, Signet of Spite in particular, most OP of their condition 1v1 utilities.
On a side note : Good necromancer will always look for EB. Why? Because once conditions are transfered to pet, they can be spreaded back by Epidemic, essentaily cancelling EB purpose. Not many new-after-26th july necromancers know that, barely any, because they still manage to win. But before that patch, back in the days when BM Rangers were kind of OP, I’ve been wrecking them as conditionmancer(yes, I’ve been necromancer before it became cool) with that one trick

nagymbear.5280:

Also he didn’t claim they are easy, he claimed that the number of baddies has gone up.

Looks like most of ppl in this topic miss this small fact.

nagymbear.5280:

Ryan.8367:

The ranger class might be the most pidgeonholed class in the game at the moment and it’s very sad that players keep coming up here and talking about how they killed some horrid kitten warrior and then claim that wariors are ‘still easy’.

The OP is speaking about wvw where I feel rangers do have options available, so they are not pigeonholed that much. Also he didn’t claim they are easy, he claimed that the number of baddies has gone up.

Warriors are more difficult in wvw than they are pvp, so having him duel them in pvp will give you a pretty good estimate of how that very same warrior will be with insanely better stats and also food nourishments and wvw buffs. And yes, rangers are very pidgeonholed in WvW because most run the same exact builds in pvp as you would in wvw. If you’re running anything outside of BM / Spirits / Traps you’re not going to provide a challenge at all against a player who’s good with his class, it’s really that simple and even then there are classes where you won’t win with any of those 3 mixtures due to telegraphed utilities/builds. The problem with those very builds is they’re so telegraphed it’s ridiculous, we’re forced to run specific kitten in regards to those very builds so there’s no surprise factor at all.

Sorry man, dueled way too many players and seen way too many build varieties from top players in both pvp and wvw. We are underpowered against some other classes , in tPvP it’s a tad different because it’s a role based gameplay not combat/duel based. Ranger’s job is to prolong a spot for as long as possible before he dies, most players don’t even bother contesting the point because it’s a waste of time so rangers will spend upwards to 5-10 minutes simply sitting there.

That’s the role ranger has become, a point bunker holder in pvp and a very very low skill ceiling roamer in wvw and even then other classes do roaming ALOT better. Also, need I remind the ranger community that ranger in all aspects of the game including PvE and WvW get nerfed because of that very performance in PvP which is astonishing in my view as all 3 modes of gameplay are ENTIRELY different, but to each his own.

If you want to deny that then duel me in pvp, if i beat you, then I know you can’t beat some of the players I practice with.

I play mainly ele now and sometimes mesmer and thief , much more fun , better build diversity and also the skill ceiling is much higher on all 3 of these classes, way higher than ranger will ever be which in turn also makes it much more fun. I still play my ranger but mostly to PvE now.

The term skill ceiling amuses me, it used to be said rangers were easy to play casually but had a high skill ceiling to master them, now apperantly the skill ceiling is low again xD

Manekk.6981:

The term skill ceiling amuses me, it used to be said rangers were easy to play casually but had a high skill ceiling to master them, now apperantly the skill ceiling is low again xD

Mostly because the only viable PvP build for rangers is as passive as it gets. Pop 4 spirits and spam shortbow skills off CD and maybe once in a while swap to sword and dagger for some evasions. Even the condition removal is completely passive. It just requires zero input and though to be able to perform well as a spirit bunker.

Terkov.4138:

nagymbear.5280:

Also he didn’t claim they are easy, he claimed that the number of baddies has gone up.

Looks like most of ppl in this topic miss this small fact.

Thank you so much!!!

I never said warrior(builds) are bad (actually i said the exact opposite)… I know if I met a Warrior with the same/higher skill level I´ll lose.
But i feel like the number of Warriors who understand their class (pvp) has largely decreased in compareision to other classes (except thiefs).

This is just my opinion! I don´t claim to be an awesome wvw player or that all warriors are noobs.

As somebody who mained a war and now leveled up my ranger here is my opinion. Warriors are great cus pretty much all wep combos work for particular builds. Most all the utilites are very useful. There are some extremely useful traits that are only the 10-20 point traits.
My ranger on the other hand has no useful mainhand condition wep sword and axe are a joke. Most of the utilites are are garbage. Most all the 10-20 point traits are meh. However Im running a condi/regen shout ranger and I can out tank my warrior all day. I been running around trolling tanking 2-3 players for long periods of time or forcing them to the water where I wreck shop.

Ryan.8367:

If you’re running anything outside of BM / Spirits / Traps you’re not going to provide a challenge at all against a player who’s good with his class, …

This is what I meant by not being pigeonholed. Even on BM builds there is a variety. Then there are bleeder builds, I ran a pvt/knight setup succesfully, there is glass cannon, which can also be useful in the right hands. Being pigeonholed would mean that everyone would run the same kitten utility skills. Which they do not.

Ryan.8367:

If you want to deny that then duel me in pvp, if i beat you, then I know you can’t beat some of the players I practice with.

No offence, but nobody cares how good you duel in pvp.

nagymbear.5280:

Ryan.8367:

If you’re running anything outside of BM / Spirits / Traps you’re not going to provide a challenge at all against a player who’s good with his class, …

This is what I meant by not being pigeonholed. Even on BM builds there is a variety. Then there are bleeder builds, I ran a pvt/knight setup succesfully, there is glass cannon, which can also be useful in the right hands. Being pigeonholed would mean that everyone would run the same kitten utility skills. Which they do not.

Ryan.8367:

If you want to deny that then duel me in pvp, if i beat you, then I know you can’t beat some of the players I practice with.

No offence, but nobody cares how good you duel in pvp.

As I said many times and gave a proof, Power ranger in WvWvW if played very well (kiting, not ever going any melee), can most of the Warrior builds 1v1. Not a 3-signet zerker LB/GS 30/30/10/0/0 because you won’t bring down any good warrior in a single burst, but when applying constant damage, keeping poison up, maintaining immobilizes. It takes time and is a challange, idd, but have yet to find a non sword/lb condiwar (these just wreck all rangers, because of our disability when it comes to immobilize removal) which, without changing traits, is able to beat my ranger 1v1 on W3.

Btw, as for PvP dueling. I’ve never truly understood people agressibly denying purpose of dueling 1v1 in mists. Yes, there’s a condi-creep over power-creep there curently and yes, there’s no place for proper kiting, but most of the times, it’s more balanced than WvWvW. You duel without food (which IMO should be disabled on W3), so no -65% condi duration foods+runes, without Bloodthirst, Guard Leech etc. so you can be more equal in here. Dueling in sPvP is just different from WvWvW dueling and I find both fun

Isn’t that sad that when a sword/lb warrior goes up against a ranger who you just think logically should own the whole longbow concept, the warrior (as previous poster puts it) wrecks the ranger. There, my friends, lies the heart of the matter.

I have never ever met a MMO where physical ranged damage was not the expertise of the ranger class. . .until GW2.