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What Happened To The DPS Ranger?
most “glass cannon” ranger builds die too fast in endgame pve/wvw/spvp to make their VERY modest damage increase useful anywhere. i’ve played my ranger since beta and my DPS/crit exotic set has about a 2inch thick layer of dust on it.
Teolin Black – 80 Ranger
Tarnished Coast
Tarnished Coast
most “glass cannon” ranger builds die too fast in endgame pve/wvw/spvp to make their VERY modest damage increase useful anywhere. i’ve played my ranger since beta and my DPS/crit exotic set has about a 2inch thick layer of dust on it.
How is the linked build glass? Ok its not bunker, but with all CD’s it holds its own! Right?
you didn’t ask for a critique on that particular build that you posted(which the link doesnt work, btw). you asked why there are so few DPS rangers and i gave you a general answer. everyone here knows why so there’s not really a need to go into detail about it.
Teolin Black – 80 Ranger
Tarnished Coast
Tarnished Coast
Rangers? DPS?
There was once a time where we could DPS. That was beta.
We have replaced our role as a DPSer with that of cannon fodder.
I think we’re just seeing more diverse builds since a lot of people (myself included) have gotten a bit bored of just running short bow builds all the time.
Also, the current meta really favors bunker builds, so even rangers have started building this way.
would be great if any could share thoughts on the linked build?
I do well in my dps ranger. My build is designed to be counter dps and works great against anything except pure bunkers (where ranger proves to lack enough burst damage to kill). in which case I simply get help or leave. My build isn’t glass cannon and is traited 30/25/15/0/0 to maintain high dps while providing decent defense. I went in WvW just today and won a 1v3 (2 of them were 80’s and rangers, the 3rd was a >80 mesmer) quite easily. Those rangers were using the ever so common semi bunker trap build ranger I’ve seen too much lately though. No reliable condition application, they fail to realize this + entangle has to be the easiest elite to dodge or get out of.
Bad link for me btw.
Well, what’s the build for?
sPvP, tPvP, WvW, PvE/dungeons?
There is not a build that works for everything…for PvE/dungeons you can run a pure glass cannon build without any problem, in fact it’s probably the best build.
To comment on your build, i don’t like the runes choice because since it’s a power/vit/toughness build you don’t benefit at all from that extra crit damage and precision.
If the build is for PvE that’s completely overkill on your damage output…you don’t need that much survivality.
For WvW roaming it’s ok, but to attack/defend keeps again too much of a tanky buid.
In sPvP seems ok since you benefit more from being tanky.
Because our damage will be low anyway, no matter what gear we use. On a war you can go glass cannon and it will be WORTH it, and still have better survivability due to armor.
I have a full DPS ranger and i own quite good in PVE, dungeons are my second home and unless i’m talking in guild chat i don’t die and do serious damage. People saying it’s not possible don’t know how to play a ranger.
People realized ranger’s don’t play well when playing like warriors and so never should, at least with their current numbers.
Warriors can play their game DOZENS of times better than rangers… rangers have their own thing going on; solid self healing, evading, cleansing, good pets, quickness every 20~ seconds… after focusing on the perks of the class you tend to end up with a different sort of setup than ‘the dps ranger’ you posted.
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7-8% damage nerf to shortbow and 25% nerf to shortbow with QZ happened.
But in seriousness, nothing has happened aside, perhaps, from the people realizing that full glass cannon-ie full berskerkers-is not necessarily optimal. I’m sure many rangers run 30 marks, some skirmish etc. builds, since signet of stone is probably the best WvW skill we have.
Maid Of The Coast
Because our damage will be low anyway, no matter what gear we use. On a war you can go glass cannon and it will be WORTH it, and still have better survivability due to armor.
well this really isn’t true, glass canon anything will die fast when getting hit. with all the mobility skills thieves and ellys have they can pull it off some what.
the difference in medium to heavy armor isn’t very much. full exotic sets are 1211 heavy and 1064 medium for a difference of only 147.
it didn’t take long to get rid of the glass canon build on warrior and go for a more balance build using mostly knights gear power/toughness/prec. what i have noticed though is that i can kill people faster in this gear than i could with my zerker glass canon build ranger.
i think this is why most of us rangers have gone to a tanky build. All we get with the other is glass, no canon came with it.
Wisdom is the reward for surviving our own stupidity.
put dps build and condition biild together<—. “wtf thts stupid” its very possible. For example going full trap build gave me 650 condition dmg per burn via torch on dummies. With dps traits mixed in with my trait build i still get 600 condition dmg as well as almost same powerr dmg from dps build plus signet stone invulnerability.
Look at it urselves. See the amount of condi dmg without traits.
Just a tip you guys shud look into it. What people fail to realize, amulets are probably the most important for builds. So find one tht incorprates both condi dmg and power and find a correct jewel as well.
Retuxan-80 Ranger-Rank 40
Jade quarry, MoG
Jade quarry, MoG
put dps build and condition biild together<—. “wtf thts stupid” its very possible. For example going full trap build gave me 650 condition dmg per burn via torch on dummies. With dps traits mixed in with my trait build i still get 600 condition dmg as well as almost same powerr dmg from dps build plus signet stone invulnerability.
Look at it urselves. See the amount of condi dmg without traits.
Just a tip you guys shud look into it. What people fail to realize, amulets are probably the most important for builds. So find one tht incorprates both condi dmg and power and find a correct jewel as well.
Carrion doesn’t carry a ranger power build well at all.
All of the buffing dmg traits are by %, so having a % more than ‘decent power with no crit’ is not very much. That and everything affecting condition dmg is entirely separate from power… it makes speccing to be strong at both more silly than not.
Rampager… rangers have little use for critting short of sigil of earth so it doesn’t tend to be sought after much on the class at all… back when shortbow just did more dmg it could carry a rampager build… but now… ugh.
That and you have to go 30 skirmishing, for traps, so you either go 30 wilderness survival for the best cleanse in game that next to every ranger spec runs because its near a kittening necessity; or you make a 120s CD signet, one that warriors have an outright better version of, just usable. Nothing they excel at involves 30 in marksmen so few people go there.
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I don’t know OP what happened to them? Your build certainly isn’t a “dps ranger” (I guess you mean glass canon?). I think its a solid build with a balance of survivability and damage, verging to the tanky side. You have all defensive utilities, the defensive elite, soldiers amulet and a greatsword. That is almost the definitive defensive build.
People realized ranger’s don’t play well when playing like warriors and so never should, at least with their current numbers.
Yes, playing like a warrior is best done by warriors. Gosh, who’d have thought…
I do good damage, but I have accepted the fact that I cannot dps on my own. My build relies entirely on my pet. I do a little less than average damage for a Ranger, but in turn, my pet hits like a truck. I use cats, and they consistently hit for anywhere from 1600-2500, usually closer to the top end. Plus bleed damage, and quickness.
Until we get buffed, this is the best way I have found to dps. My build is something like 0/25/20/0/25.
I don’t know OP what happened to them? Your build certainly isn’t a “dps ranger” (I guess you mean glass canon?). I think its a solid build with a balance of survivability and damage, verging to the tanky side. You have all defensive utilities, the defensive elite, soldiers amulet and a greatsword. That is almost the definitive defensive build.
Isn’t that how GW2 is best played? PvE or PvP my experience has showed that leaning towards defensive is always better.
The reason I called it a DPS build is my idea of defensive would not have a single point in the top 2 trait lines. Utilities can be changed in a heart beat and should be changed, one example is Zeph that is one utility that needs to be on the bar as aoften as possible.
I do good damage, but I have accepted the fact that I cannot dps on my own. My build relies entirely on my pet. I do a little less than average damage for a Ranger, but in turn, my pet hits like a truck. I use cats, and they consistently hit for anywhere from 1600-2500, usually closer to the top end. Plus bleed damage, and quickness.
Until we get buffed, this is the best way I have found to dps. My build is something like 0/25/20/0/25.
I tried vey similar build but it somehow didn’t work well for me. In dungeons pets dieing too easy, even fast swaping is sometimes not enough specially again certain bosses or in fractal at all there mostly due player’s agony rezistances don’t count for our pets as well, shame !!!. Then, while your pet being death, you lose substantial number of your power. Similiar it’s in WvW, in sPvP enemies can avoid the pet dmg simply just by moving.
Counting on pet, which is lacking in some part, is not the best idea. I count on the pet as a minor help. only.
Atm running 30/25/15/0/0 berserker build and found out this the best from all I tried so far. High crit chance and crit dmg providing solid overal dmg. Using lb/sb combination always keeping enemies on distance and counting on active dodging also thx to faster endurance regeneration and lightening reflexes.
dps ranger was killed by QZ/SB nerf. LB/birds ranger tries to do the same, but it’s just not as good. ranger puts out pretty sad dps in pvp and has to give up too much survivability for it. we’ll see what 14th patch brings.
dps ranger is hardly finished.
PZ ran trap ranger tonight & faced another trap ranger on kyhlo in paids. it’s still viable. some state that the only reason a necro is more popular than trap ranger atm is because of res signet. they can both drop huge pressure, but ranger traps are on much shorter cooldowns compared to wells.
Ranger Sword & Pet Mechanics:
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lol, they dont even compare. necro is a bunker buster and can clear an entire point with wells and staff/scepter/dagger. rez signet has nothing to do with it. corrupt boon is where it’s at. i played a condition ranger and when i rolled necro i never looked back. trap rangers just have no survivability whatsoever.
I enjoy my 30/30/0/0/10 quite well. Sure, if people get close up to me I am kittened. However, I get a buttload of kills in WvW this way, and have learned to kite pretty efficiently as to reduce the roflstompinmyface.
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conditional damage ranger is pretty good dps.
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I don’t know OP what happened to them? Your build certainly isn’t a “dps ranger” (I guess you mean glass canon?). I think its a solid build with a balance of survivability and damage, verging to the tanky side. You have all defensive utilities, the defensive elite, soldiers amulet and a greatsword. That is almost the definitive defensive build.
Isn’t that how GW2 is best played? PvE or PvP my experience has showed that leaning towards defensive is always better.
Well I think you answered your own question! At any rate I think I see the theme of this build-basically you blow cds to mitigate damage while pumping out damage.
Two points:
1) given you have the four most defensive utilities why not drop soldier and replace with zerker? You will be able to kill quicker while enjoying the 12 secs of invunrability + elite spirit hot/condition removal.
2) The only “issue” I see is perhaps outside of your utilility cds you lack punch but aren’t really tanky either.
I think the condition/trap build is the best combination of damage and “tankiness” for a ranger becasue of the synergies with the trait lines and the toughness/condition amulet, but the one you posted would still be fun and effective to play for sure.