Guild Wars 2

Why does Anet keep making warriors STRONGER but leaving Rangers behind? When I heard so much QQing about Ranger and how weak it is and bla bla bla I decided to try it, but NO. Rangers don’t have so good and useful skills or traits as warriors. No stability, srsly wtf. Warriors got now a super healing skill that can full heal them, WTF. Why make ranger so bad? Its sword skill just roots you or leaps you across miles. Could you please stop “Blanacing” and help this class out? It does not even have normal melee one handed weapon. Sword is bad and horrific, axe is ranged, too bad it could have been a better weapon for actual melle, I still wonder where we get those 4 other axes when we throw them, and they never return. Longbow is just a joke, unless you are in PvE, for PvP you can not use it. I most certainly welcome any advices on builds for Ranger for PvE PvP and WvW.

ArenaNet likes Warriors because the class name begins with a “w,” which stand for “winning.” Ranger begins with an “r” which stand for… well, you can probably guess what it stand for because you’re smart.

Also, In classic DnD ArenaNet (the whole company) was always afraid to play as the ranger because they got scared if they weren’t playing a heavy armor class, hence they don’t truly understand the class archetype.

ArenaNet was also founded by former Blizzard employees, and, as everyone knows, Blizzard ONLY makes P2W games like Stacraft.
ArenaNet was also originally named “TriForge” —a reference to the TriForce from The Legend of Zelda series, and as everyone knows Zelda is also a pay to win game.

Finnway.2183:

ArenaNet likes Warriors because the class name begins with a “w,” which stand for “winning.” Ranger begins with an “r” which stand for… well, you can probably guess what it stand for because you’re smart.

Also, In classic DnD ArenaNet (the whole company) was always afraid to play as the ranger because they got scared if they weren’t wearing heavy armor, hence they don’t understand the class archetype.

Also, ArenaNet was founded by former Blizzard employees and BLIZZARD only makes P2W games, as everyone knows. Also, ArenaNet was originally named “TriForge,” which is a reference to the TriForce from The Legend of Zelda. Zelda is also a pay to win game.

I don’t see the point in 3rd paragraph, do warriors P2W? nah they just get all good skills for free

g e o.2589:

I don’t see the point in 3rd paragraph, do warriors P2W? nah they just get all good skills for free

Oh? Warriors get skills for free and Rangers don’t? I thought all skills had to be bought with skill-points…

Around beta, they said they were most happy with the warrior class, it felt the most finished and as such, everyone else was balanced around it. Warriors will always be that guy.

And I thought the thief forums were wrought with QQ. You should really look at every class’s list of buffs/nerfs before assuming that you’re the only ones. ANet hates every class (except warrior and necro) equally, guys.

Sorry can’t hear you over mesmer’s phantasm, eles buffs, guardians EVERYTHING and engis AED.

Wait wtf?

Starcraft is P2W?? ? ?

Afaik, broodwar was buy-to-play and sc2 is buy-to-play with name change fees.

You should learn what you are talking about before you start labeling things p2w.

^^ You should learn to detect sarcasm. Zelda isn’t P2W either (it’s a single player game). I gave the OP a reply which I felt had as much validity as his statement “ArenaNet hates Rangers.”

Finnway.2183:

^^ You should learn to detect sarcasm. Zelda isn’t P2W either (it’s a single player game). I gave the OP a reply which I felt had as much validity as his statement “ArenaNet hates Rangers.”

Yes now I got an official confirmation from one of the devs. I reposted this post on GW2 Discussion with a P.S. message asking not to move to Ranger sub and asked them if moving the post was another way of trashing it. Now it got infacted

^^ A moderator (not a dev) moved your post to the subforum where it was relevant. A lot of people in general discussion don’t give two kittens about Rangers. Not to mention you’re not the only class that feels they’re imbalanced.

For what it is worth though: You’re right, there is an ArenaNet conspiracy against you because you’re the only person who realizes that Warriors are overpowered. ArenaNet wants to silence you because they all play Warriors and if their class gets nerfed they’ll feel bad about themselves because they can’t play anymore.

I always see Anet players in game, but I’ve only ever seen them play thief or warrior.. go figure.

g e o.2589:

Sorry can’t hear you over mesmer’s phantasm, eles buffs, guardians EVERYTHING and engis AED.

funnily enough, there’s a topic in the guardian forums right now talking about how broken they are.

So much irony.

Soilder.3607:

g e o.2589:

Sorry can’t hear you over mesmer’s phantasm, eles buffs, guardians EVERYTHING and engis AED.

funnily enough, there’s a topic in the guardian forums right now talking about how broken they are.

So much irony.

I play guardian, not much WvW but I am familiar with all its traits and NO they are barking at a wall Guardian is a GOOD class all around.

Warrior was a poor class to play for quite a bit of time. It is now OP. Often when you fix a class you go a bit too far.

Ranger is a bit harder to fix. We have so many different mechanics. Our pet AI is much harder to change. You have some hard limits on range. Etc.

In short, I don’t think they are happy with where the ranger is today. I think a lot of the problem comes from asking “ok what can we do to fix the ranger given we can’t easily fix the heart of the matter which is pet AI without breaking a lot of stuff”?

Rangers have:

- Too many High CD signets with marginal passives
- “Shouts”
- MM line traits that help bow are still too spread out to be effective (ie: spotter and peicing arrow)
- Lackluster axe
- Focus on AI spirits/pets
- A game mechanic that is not beneficial to any content. (ie: all content being balanced around melee buffing)
- “Power” weapons
- Sword mainhand that leaps off cliffs and roots for 1 second after the leap.

g e o.2589:

Sorry can’t hear you over mesmer’s phantasm, eles buffs, guardians EVERYTHING and engis AED.

I wish I had said that. Not one character has as little utility as Rangers do.

Finnway.2183:

ArenaNet likes Warriors because the class name begins with a “w,” which stand for “winning.” Ranger begins with an “r” which stand for… well, you can probably guess what it stand for because you’re smart.

Also, In classic DnD ArenaNet (the whole company) was always afraid to play as the ranger because they got scared if they weren’t playing a heavy armor class, hence they don’t truly understand the class archetype.

ArenaNet was also founded by former Blizzard employees, and, as everyone knows, Blizzard ONLY makes P2W games like Stacraft.
ArenaNet was also originally named “TriForge” —a reference to the TriForce from The Legend of Zelda series, and as everyone knows Zelda is also a pay to win game.

DeadlySynz.3471:

I always see Anet players in game, but I’ve only ever seen them play thief or warrior.. go figure.

I rarely met Anet players before clockwatch chaos, but after clockwatch chaos ups to recently tower of nightmare…. 75% of the Anet players i met were playing rangers.

ranger class is a masochist class. You have to like getting your butt kitten d, otherwise don’t play this class. You are useless, anything you can do other classes can do better. If you are a good ranger player quit defending this uselessess build. Rangers seriously need better pets, and skills besides worthless spirits. HOW IS A kitten SPIRIT GONNA PROTECT ME FROM A HUNDRED BAACKSTABS FROM A THIEF..HUHHHHHHHH!!!

My assumptions. You know what they say about assumptions about what made the ranger class not work.

1) ANet never really found the right balance between range and melee. And not having a rock, paper, scissors type game (e.g. defined roles for classes) allowed the ranger to become the king of “meh”.
2) Rangers are one of the most creatively designed classes with the way they did
a. Pets
b. Spirits
c. Traps
The pet concept is a GREAT concept (find and tame, unique skills by class of pet, one unique special). But that net new, led to a meatball sundae when pets which were the largest component of the “net new” design just didn’t work the way they want them to.
3) ANet is a bit stuck now between bandaid fixes to “work around” the troubled pet mechanic or waiting (and annoying) rangers up until they can really “dig in”. Now your and ANETs definition of “digging in” will vary. Once the pet falls down, then the class as a whole struggles to fit together as traits, lines and synergies were tied back to pet/ranger working together.
4) ANET tried to do too much with the ranger and wound up with split lines and lack of synergy. Our weapons have interesting effects and our traits are rather unique, but you have traps in precision and way too much needed in marksmanship.
a. In theory, you can create a lot of different types of a ranger (traps, melee, bow, pet, spirits, etc) but they don’t all work well. Again, by giving us too much to play with, we got a lot of broken toys.

Warriors were actually nerfed this patch. But Rangers still aren’t fixed.

Kain Francois.4328:

Warriors were actually nerfed this patch. But Rangers still aren’t fixed.

An extremely minor nerf.

Finnway.2183:

ArenaNet likes Warriors because the class name begins with a “w,” which stand for “winning.” Ranger begins with an “r” which stand for… well, you can probably guess what it stand for because you’re smart.

Also, In classic DnD ArenaNet (the whole company) was always afraid to play as the ranger because they got scared if they weren’t playing a heavy armor class, hence they don’t truly understand the class archetype.

ArenaNet was also founded by former Blizzard employees, and, as everyone knows, Blizzard ONLY makes P2W games like Stacraft.
ArenaNet was also originally named “TriForge” —a reference to the TriForce from The Legend of Zelda series, and as everyone knows Zelda is also a pay to win game.

It stands for Runty
If Anet REALY wants to make the ranger damage viable theil need to choose between 4 things.

A. Make pet damage stronguer in both pve and pvp at the expense of the ranger having to trait specificaly for damage not for defence

B. Make the longbow into the ranged version of the warrior greatsword having it proc might on every single hit or critical (wich would btway make nature ranger with boon share have their pet go crazy but would still be a good thing because the darn engy outdps us with a bombkit? kitten 8k per auto)

C. Give the shortbow better bleeding rate as well as the ability to cause burns and maybe torment with the crippling shot!

D. Make Axe into a better damaging weapon because lets face it its supose to deal heavy crit damage yet it hit like a guardian staff spam 8D

I chose ranger as my 1st char for just one reason —-- it’s a NCsoft game.
Anet belongs to NCsoft;
NCsoft is a Korean company;
And Archery is Korean’s most proud national sport;
In almost every NCsoft game a class with a bow rocks;

However…………..
How dare Anet design such a class in GW2? I bet NCsoft’s CEO never played this game….

Bombsaway.7198:

Warrior was a poor class to play for quite a bit of time. It is now OP. Often when you fix a class you go a bit too far.

Ranger is a bit harder to fix. We have so many different mechanics. Our pet AI is much harder to change. You have some hard limits on range. Etc.

In short, I don’t think they are happy with where the ranger is today. I think a lot of the problem comes from asking “ok what can we do to fix the ranger given we can’t easily fix the heart of the matter which is pet AI without breaking a lot of stuff”?

Hmmm and nerfing the shortbow to an inch of its life to the useless item it is now, (alongside its poor damage and other issues) as well as the almost marginal damage rangers in general in respects to its class counterparts is helping the rangers to move forward? I have real chopsticks that can do more damage than that.
Its always been the same issues time and time again – necros massive conditions matched with good base attack, thief – major stealth and major burst, eles low health, light armor but massive damage when traited. What does the ranger offer apart from passive regen when it has bad condition clearance and " fart in the wind" damage to make that regen useful?

Its not about the pet, the pet issue could be sorted quickly by simply transferring a good amount of the damage % back to the ranger and re-jigging the weapons to have better traits. If NPC’s such as the toxic courtiers can create better bow damage and conditions than the actual ranger class, then there are problems. But if NPCs can afford that damage , I cant see why ranger class cannot.

Since beta, I had hope that someday Anet will solve the problems. Why? Because I had played GW1 from the start and they are always worried about the balance between professions.

I played hard ball. Get the legendary long bow, both the (useless for Ranger) commander tag, and waited for the balance. I give up. Just waiting to see if you extend (I don’t believe you do it) the tag for other chars that you have. It’s time to invest on the guardian, (my god getting another legendary and more 100g for the tag).

So we have too much toughness? Really? That’s your conclusion when you compare Ranger it with others professions? Maybe you are right. The fact of we don’t have stability don’t worries you? And watt about the fact of we can’t click a button and disappear? Do want me to continue?

Do you really think, the professions are balanced? If your reply is yes, something is wrong you. If it’s your work to balance professions in the game and you produce this, I’ sorry but your profession is doing a bad work.

You really made me give up.

Viking Jorun.5413:

And I thought the thief forums were wrought with QQ. You should really look at every class’s list of buffs/nerfs before assuming that you’re the only ones. ANet hates every class (except warrior and necro) equally, guys.

Necro? Lol no….

Look at the patch notes, Anet does very few changes and thus pays little attention to necros.

No healing while in the class mechanic says enough. Also please take a look at the necromancers life steal traits.

Troll.4237:

Viking Jorun.5413:

And I thought the thief forums were wrought with QQ. You should really look at every class’s list of buffs/nerfs before assuming that you’re the only ones. ANet hates every class (except warrior and necro) equally, guys.

Necro? Lol no….

Look at the patch notes, Anet does very few changes and thus pays little attention to necros.

No healing while in the class mechanic says enough. Also please take a look at the necromancers life steal traits.

necros do fine , its the reason they are more common than bluebottles around a cowshed. :P

I lost against necros a few times, almost equal downing even though I had to work my butt off to take them down with the tools we have. Necros won cause of the downed life steal and that my pet lag was too moron to heal me in time. Necros do ok in the circumstances and necros in no way shape or form have it as bad as rangers do.