Why is the Juvenile Hyena's Power stat so low?

Why is the Juvenile Hyena's Power stat so low?

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Posted by: Ibari.1294

Ibari.1294

Hi, a fellow ranger here!

Experimenting with my pets in PvE, I’ve noticed the Juvenile Hyena’s “Power” stat is almost half the other pets in his family –the canine one.

One could say, “ok, that must be because of it’s unique skill that summons another Hyena”. This ally only lasts for… ten seconds? Then you have to wait another 35 seconds –the remaining CD of the skill– to be on the same level as the other canine.

I know there are some pets with lesser stats –which are usually the HoM ones– but I can understand that these ones are more for “show” because of their special skin.

But on the case of a normal pet, why is the Hyena so kittened when the other dogs make more damage and even have another unique skill? I just don’t get it.

And please don’t tell me to switch to another pet. All of them should be viable =/

Best regards,

Ibari Almond

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Posted by: roqoco.4053

roqoco.4053

LOL – when I tried a hyena, the companion it called immediately rushed off in the opposite direction and aggroed more mobs. Aside from that a hyena isn’t really a dog and I was disappointed that (being a spotted hyena) it didn’t laugh or even so much as cackle. So I switched to something else.

All the pets should be viable, as you say – and maybe one day they will be.

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Posted by: docMed.7692

docMed.7692

Yes, it is less than other dogs, however, two of them together is greater than 1 of the other dogs (e.g. it’s like 1700 for a normal canine, whereas the hyena is 900 + 900 = 1800). So, if you’re 1v1’ing it is a higher burst that you are taking advantage of with this skill. Additionally, you are gaining the benefit of 2 leaps! (e.g. more CC in spvp).

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Posted by: Da Poolp.6809

Da Poolp.6809

It was a fix from a previous patch, Hyena was nerfed because the F2 skill.

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Posted by: Ibari.1294

Ibari.1294

I tested it in PvP, and the summoned Hyena doesn’t make as much damage as the original. Even with two creatures around, they’re still weaker and even more unreliable.

Either change the unique skill –something related to laughs, maybe?– and fix it’s stats, or make it more reliable –which is already a tough thing to do.

…still unsure about my main character.

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Posted by: docMed.7692

docMed.7692

Well the argument still goes back to – the purpose of this pet obviously isn’t to be “powerful”. It’s to utilize double pets soaking dmg/conditions for you and to take advantage of more leaps, etc.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

There is so much wrong with this post…. 1) this pets CD is 45 seconds untraited not 35 2) the summoned hyena has the same stats as the hyena did at the time of summoning, so if you had 25 stacks of might on your hyena and 25 stacks of mastersbond when you summon that hyena god help the poor soul of any enemy near you (this alone makes it stronger then any other pet)

3) This CD is BETTER then other canine skills, it gives you 2 pets to soak damage (really good in pvp) gives you 2 knock downs, 2 cripples, and 2 sources of damage, it essentially doubles the effectiveness of the hyena.

4) The hyena does NOT last for 10 seconds, i’ve had the hyena ally kept up for so long i ended up with 2 summoned hyenas at one time, the way the Summon Hyena skill works is that when your hyenas summoned he runs around and kills things, after you end combat the hyena will look for a nearby target, if there is none he will stand around for about 3-5 seconds and if he doesn’t get in combat again he will despawn.

In short, the hyena is equally powerful, if not more so damage wise then the others, he is grouped as a canine due to the pack feature and the fact that hyenas, although genetically are not like canines are actually EXTREMELY similar to canines in terms of how they react in groups.

Ah i remember back in the day when the hyena had the same stats as other canines and was the ONLY pet you’d see in pvp and pve… god i’m glad those days are gone xD

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

I tested it in PvP, and the summoned Hyena doesn’t make as much damage as the original. Even with two creatures around, they’re still weaker and even more unreliable.

Either change the unique skill –something related to laughs, maybe?– and fix it’s stats, or make it more reliable –which is already a tough thing to do.

My tests have proven this wrong, if you’re in a 1v1 you have a better test, where as if you do a group fight you can’t say whether your hyena ally is fighting your same target or not because they have a nasty habbit of going “LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO kitten i do what i want!” and running off to maul some poor bystanders face off

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna

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Posted by: Ibari.1294

Ibari.1294

Hi Durzlla, I want to clarify some things before continuing or closing the discussion.

1) I know it’s 45 seconds. But as I mentioned earlier, if my summoned Hyena lasts for 10 seconds, and the CD starts after it’s summoned, how much remains?

2) I didn’t know about that, so what’s the deal with saying that my post is wrong?

3-4) I tested it against the PvP golem-dummies, and the summoned hyena was hitting for less damage than the “real one”. After the target gets killed, it effectively disappears after a few seconds; it doesn’t seem as useful in my eyes.

And I haven’t said anything about Hyenas not being canines or whatever. It’s a game classification which I don’t care about. I just compared them because they happen to be in the same “group” –Fern Hound, Drakehound, Wolves and the Hyena.

What I’m saying it’s that it doesn’t seem fair as how they are now. I wasn’t asking for OPness, that would be boring.

Thanks, and I hope you read better my posts next time.

…still unsure about my main character.

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Posted by: Shale.5894

Shale.5894

“…the other pets in his family –the canine one.”

A hyena isn’t a canine. ;_; They have their own classification, and in fact are more closely related to felines. Just had to point that out, as I’m an animal trainer/caretaker/enthusiast.

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Posted by: Durzlla.6295

Durzlla.6295

Hi Durzlla, I want to clarify some things before continuing or closing the discussion.

1) I know it’s 45 seconds. But as I mentioned earlier, if my summoned Hyena lasts for 10 seconds, and the CD starts after it’s summoned, how much remains?

2) I didn’t know about that, so what’s the deal with saying that my post is wrong?

3-4) I tested it against the PvP golem-dummies, and the summoned hyena was hitting for less damage than the “real one”. After the target gets killed, it effectively disappears after a few seconds; it doesn’t seem as useful in my eyes.

And I haven’t said anything about Hyenas not being canines or whatever. It’s a game classification which I don’t care about. I just compared them because they happen to be in the same “group” –Fern Hound, Drakehound, Wolves and the Hyena.

What I’m saying it’s that it doesn’t seem fair as how they are now. I wasn’t asking for OPness, that would be boring.

Thanks, and I hope you read better my posts next time.

I would like to correct a few things that have been updated with what i posted, i do not know when the changes occured i just know i was getting different results then previously.

The hyena does NOT scale with your hyenas stats anymore, it used to be if you summoned a hyena he would, however i thought at first “Maybe he does scale and it’s just that the ally does less damage now!” so i tested it with absolutely 0 points in any trait tree and it turns out the summoned hyena does the SAME damage as a hyena with no additional stats.

I can confirm without a shadow of the doubt that the hyena despawns as soon as a target is no longer within longbow range of him (or you/the other hyena, or even the summoned hyena) are attacked/take damage from anything other then a condition. In addition to this hyenas do NOT despawn in combat, infact i was in a tourney a few times and upon fighting 2 point defense engies who weren’t focusing on my pets, by the time my allies showed up (roughly 2 minutes later) i had me and my hyena and 4-5 summoned hyenas and my rockdog.

I know for a fact that i’m not hallucinating this because my friend who came to help me commented on how i had an entire army of pets with me and was surprised the engie (who was now downed and near death by the time help arrived) didn’t actually kill any of them.

Conclusion: After testing the hyena out today i will say that damage wise, hyena is surpassed by all other canines in the shortrun, however if the fight isn’t AoE a palooza then you can quickly overrun the enemy, with damage. However, control wise, no other pet (i mean single pet, not swapping between two) brings as much control as the hyena.

PS: That last part about the hyenas behavior and blah blah blah wasn’t actually directed at you, it appears in my giant rant i forgot to mention that xD

They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna