Guild Wars 2

Sebrent.3625:

Good point Durz, but are you really going to rank Ranger higher in 1v1 than Mesmer? :-p

Depends, what mesmer build? If it’s some silly shatter build then absolutely, if it’s a phantasm build (i’ve been having a hell of a time against those kittens) then i’d say they’re closer to equal footing.

That being said i’m tempted to go try out a phantasm mesmer build because i -do- like my phantasms…

ski.4927:

I have spent my entire GW2 life, outside of leveling the characters and farming money for gear, roaming WvW.

I avoid zerging and look for the small skirmish fights. 1v1s 1v2s and such.

I have over 3,000 kills. No zerging.

I have experienced a great deal of success as my:
-Ranger, Turkish Krul
-Mesmer, Phorin Krul
-Guardian, Inquisitor Krul, OR
-Thief, Crybaby Peepeepants. (Toon created because Anet obviously thinks thieves are working as intended and I got tired of whining about it. I was going to name him Nerf Thieves but the name was taken.

Now the reason I went through all of that was so that the following made any kind of sense.

I win fights WAAY more than I lose. I hate to die, or even get downed. You can watch a couple videos I put up of Turkish roaming.

At one point or another, I have either had my butt handed to me, or lost a fight to EVERY class in the game…. Except Ranger.

On any character, I have never lost a 1v1 to a Ranger. Ever. I HAVE lost to everything else, even if only once or twice.

What can that tell me about Rangers?

Even though WvW is not about lone ranger roaming and 1v1’s and such, it tells you a lot about Rangers in WvW and elsewhere in the game. The only role they fill perfectly in WvW is as ‘bait’ for an ambush group. That should also tell you a lot about Rangers in WvW too.

Frosty and Frosty Law Firm.4981:

swiftpaw.6397:

careful now, give it a few hours and the ‘rangers are amazing at everything’ dreamteam will be up and ready to defend.

Aye. I’ve prepared for the stehl rehn of “L2play” and deep-strike insults from the Ultraproz.

ahahaha this cracked me up real hard

Durzlla.6295:

ski.4927:

People are misunderstanding the situation. Allow me to explain…

If you are saying that compared to other classes, Rangers are not up to par in small fights, you are correct. We’re not. We’re below average in comparison.

However, in large group zerg fights? angers are fine. Yeah, I said it. We’re fine. Hell, I could even go full berserker longbow and be fine in a zerg. It’s a zerg. You could run naked and be fine in a zerg. Stop crying and go zerg. Zerger Zergiepants…

I am talking about a player versus a player. PvP. Which is what I spend my time doing in WvW. And in this scenario. 1 class vs 1 other class….Ranger is the only class I have never lost to on any of the toons I have played. If you find yourself uncaring about the situation I am describing, then go discuss something else.

Um…. Rangers EXCEL at 1v1s and become less useful in zergs…. For skirmishing rangers are one of the best profs, second to thieves (who are -supposed- to be “best” for 1v1s)

Being the best 1v1er in WvW is like being the best in the special Olympics, it’s not that big of an accomplishment when you look at some of the crazy kitten you can do by inflating your stats to an ungodly high.

Go to sPvP if you want “oh well I’ve won X 1v1s on Y prof and haven’t lost!” To even carry weight.

But….but…..

I prefer the feel of roaming in open world, not the same little boxes over and over again.

I like fighting people who have optimized their character, leveled up through 80 levels of practice, and are fighting at peak levels, not people who created a new character, are level 3, and running “BGs” over and over again because they have ADHD.

I have sPvPed before, rarely, if ever, did I get to experience a 1v1 before someone else (good or bad) came along to help. I have, however, had many good 1v1s while roaming out in open WvW. I am an RvR junkie from back in the days of DAoC. I am not a WoW battleground humper.

Also, I know what Rangers can do in a 1v1. I’ve done it myself. My point is, I have never lost to one. Across all of my characters, expecially is Rangers are indeed good in 1v1s, why is it that I have lost to every class, even if only once, but never lost to a ranger? That’s all I’m trying to figure out.

ski.4927:

Durzlla.6295:

ski.4927:

People are misunderstanding the situation. Allow me to explain…

If you are saying that compared to other classes, Rangers are not up to par in small fights, you are correct. We’re not. We’re below average in comparison.

However, in large group zerg fights? angers are fine. Yeah, I said it. We’re fine. Hell, I could even go full berserker longbow and be fine in a zerg. It’s a zerg. You could run naked and be fine in a zerg. Stop crying and go zerg. Zerger Zergiepants…

I am talking about a player versus a player. PvP. Which is what I spend my time doing in WvW. And in this scenario. 1 class vs 1 other class….Ranger is the only class I have never lost to on any of the toons I have played. If you find yourself uncaring about the situation I am describing, then go discuss something else.

Um…. Rangers EXCEL at 1v1s and become less useful in zergs…. For skirmishing rangers are one of the best profs, second to thieves (who are -supposed- to be “best” for 1v1s)

Being the best 1v1er in WvW is like being the best in the special Olympics, it’s not that big of an accomplishment when you look at some of the crazy kitten you can do by inflating your stats to an ungodly high.

Go to sPvP if you want “oh well I’ve won X 1v1s on Y prof and haven’t lost!” To even carry weight.

But….but…..

I prefer the feel of roaming in open world, not the same little boxes over and over again.

I like fighting people who have optimized their character, leveled up through 80 levels of practice, and are fighting at peak levels, not people who created a new character, are level 3, and running “BGs” over and over again because they have ADHD.

I have sPvPed before, rarely, if ever, did I get to experience a 1v1 before someone else (good or bad) came along to help. I have, however, had many good 1v1s while roaming out in open WvW. I am an RvR junkie from back in the days of DAoC. I am not a WoW battleground humper.

Also, I know what Rangers can do in a 1v1. I’ve done it myself. My point is, I have never lost to one. Across all of my characters, expecially is Rangers are indeed good in 1v1s, why is it that I have lost to every class, even if only once, but never lost to a ranger? That’s all I’m trying to figure out.

Because a lot of rangers tend to be bad players who don’t manage their pets at all and then come to the forums to complain about how we’re the worst prof in the game?

Just from my general play with other ranges (sPvP, tPvP, WvW, PvE) i have encountered A LOT of rangers that make me want to curl up in a ball and cry because of how stupid/bad they are… Like, i’ve seen rangers with 30BM -somehow- manage to kill their bears unintentionally in AC, TA, and CM on a multitude of occasions, now this isn’t the whole “Oh well beary bearington was tanking all the adds so of course he’s going to die!” no it’s more like “Oh well i don’t know why i’d need to pull my pet back EVER despite the fact no one else is in melee range with 100% up time…”

I will agree that in tPvP (sPvP is essentially just zerg warfare) you wont have 1v1s that last as long as in WvW, but you -will- have quite a few short ones that end in either someone quickly bursting the other guy down, or one of the 2 people fleeing the capture point the fight should’ve been on.

However, i’ve seen a lot more bad players in WvW than good, and it’s probably because in WvW a lot of players are just used to using the strength of the mindless zerg to protect them and thus don’t learn how to actually fight. Granted there ARE some exceptions like you who tends to be the loan ranger (oh puns) and just roams around the area on your own.

In short, Most rangers tend to be bad players (not saying anyone on the forums is or that -all- rangers are, just most that I HAVE PERSONALLY ENCOUNTERED ANkittenHUS FORMING MY OPINION ON are absolutely awful), and then in my experience most WvW players tend to be AWFUL in 1v1s due to their whole zerg mentality. That being said a lot of WvW players tend to be REALLY GOOD when you put them in team fights, but that’s a different story.

PS: As someone who has ADHD WvW is -much- more exciting than sPvP, sPvP is the same old kitten every day, WvW i can jump in and out of the zerg, cap stuff, skirmish, do events, jumping puzzles etc.

I half agree with you, Durz.

I have seen many extremely bad Rangers. They are bad at controlling their character, controlling their pet, or both. As the Ranger requires skill at controlling both, I think this increases the chance for people to fall into the category of “bad ranger” compared to “bad non-ranger” since those other classes don’t have the pet issue.

On the other hand, there are plenty of times I tell my pet to get his puppy back to me and away from that nasty AOE. He’ll start to run to me, get to the edge of the AOE, and then turn 90 degrees so that he remains in the AOE and dies. Needless to say, every time it happens it kitten es me off and it isn’t uncommon enough for me to ignore it.

It seems especially common in the grawl fractal.

I have the biggest problems against mesmers and thieves in WvW . I hate the stealth mechanic , but that is probably because i run a build that is silly and wont work vs these classes .

I hate stealth , it frustrates me to no end . Even after so many hours spent playing against it … i still frakkin hate it

Sebrent.3625:

I half agree with you, Durz.

I have seen many extremely bad Rangers. They are bad at controlling their character, controlling their pet, or both. As the Ranger requires skill at controlling both, I think this increases the chance for people to fall into the category of “bad ranger” compared to “bad non-ranger” since those other classes don’t have the pet issue.

On the other hand, there are plenty of times I tell my pet to get his puppy back to me and away from that nasty AOE. He’ll start to run to me, get to the edge of the AOE, and then turn 90 degrees so that he remains in the AOE and dies. Needless to say, every time it happens it kitten es me off and it isn’t uncommon enough for me to ignore it.

It seems especially common in the grawl fractal.

Omg, I know it’s so stupid when they do that! The best is when it’s a straight B line back to you and they run to the middle of the AoE you’re trying to get them out of and they go “LOLZ I see a shortcutz!” And run out the wrong side of the AoE and make a square using the line they -should’ve- take…

Chokolata.1870:

I have the biggest problems against mesmers and thieves in WvW . I hate the stealth mechanic , but that is probably because i run a build that is silly and wont work vs these classes .

I hate stealth , it frustrates me to no end . Even after so many hours spent playing against it … i still frakkin hate it

I hated stealth until I figured out you can still hit people with stuff when they’re stealthed, then the hunt began >=D!

Meh, I’ve never found swinging at air to be fun.