Guild Wars 2

Cristobal.8640:

LOL at rangers not having cleanse options on traps. Do you people not know what Healing Spring does?

LOL at you thinking HS is sufficient condi cleanse. Oh yeah let me sit here and use my heal skill because I want to get rid of some condis. Let me wait for it to arm so that I can then trip the trap. And then let me get that one condi removal per pulse every two seconds and I have to stay in this 240 radius for it to work. So strong.

By design you will never have “enough” condition cleanse same as you won’t have enough heals to counter a power build. You have to kill the other guy before he kills you. So if you’re not carrying cleanses, make sure your carrying kill-faster.

Mcrocha.3891:

I don’t see how the new specs should be focal points. Why would they add something to the game that is better than what is already in the game? That just adds more work when they have to adjust what is already in the game to be in line with the pure power creep that is being added with the especs.

The focal point should have been making the traps comparable to the traps that are already in the game, not making them superior and then maybe doing something to the other traps a year from now. They just caved to the people in the Guard community crying because they are releasing an expansion so they want good vibes.

Skills like traps and Spirit Weapons weren’t considered good skills though. Other skills like Wells were considered good, but you can’t just copy and paste. So why not take what you’ve learned, make something new, and then apply that knowledge to what you made before? It’s the process of constant development. Nothing stays static, and you’re always improving. Development takes time, so sure, it’ll seem like it’s slow, but nothing is ever “done”.

Trapper runes still doesnt solve the problem of Stun breakers and cleanses. Its still a welcome change though,

Ghotistyx.6942:

Skills like traps and Spirit Weapons weren’t considered good skills though. Other skills like Wells were considered good, but you can’t just copy and paste. So why not take what you’ve learned, make something new, and then apply that knowledge to what you made before? It’s the process of constant development. Nothing stays static, and you’re always improving. Development takes time, so sure, it’ll seem like it’s slow, but nothing is ever “done”.

This isn’t something they have been taking knowledge of over the past years, it’s done simply because they want the dragonhunter to look shiny and good after 3 beta weekends of complaining. It’s one of many selling points of the expansion, ranger and thief traps ain’t.

If they had learned anything from the past three years of ranger and thief feedback, the dragonhunter traps wouldn’t have to go through betas to get the additional stuff they have now – they would have simply implemented these things from the get-go.

Rangers (and thieves) may very well get updated traps after this, but the fact that they can’t just LISTEN to the players for once and implement these kind of changes earlier is getting extremely tiresome.

Cristobal.8640:

LOL at rangers not having cleanse options on traps. Do you people not know what Healing Spring does?

Yes, it gets you killed.

Archon.6480:

Cristobal.8640:

LOL at rangers not having cleanse options on traps. Do you people not know what Healing Spring does?

Yes, it gets you killed.

I remember healing spring, that was the one where I could immediately put a water field directly under me while moving and use swoop to proc a leap finisher….. whatever happened to that?

Puck.9612:

Archon.6480:

Cristobal.8640:

LOL at rangers not having cleanse options on traps. Do you people not know what Healing Spring does?

Yes, it gets you killed.

I remember healing spring, that was the one where I could immediately put a water field directly under me while moving and use swoop to proc a leap finisher….. whatever happened to that?

Healing Spring was better as a heal for trappers before it was a trap.

It’s almost funny.

Lazze.9870:

This isn’t something they have been taking knowledge of over the past years, it’s done simply because they want the dragonhunter to look shiny and good after 3 beta weekends of complaining. It’s one of many selling points of the expansion, ranger and thief traps ain’t.

If they had learned anything from the past three years of ranger and thief feedback, the dragonhunter traps wouldn’t have to go through betas to get the additional stuff they have now – they would have simply implemented these things from the get-go.

Rangers (and thieves) may very well get updated traps after this, but the fact that they can’t just LISTEN to the players for once and implement these kind of changes earlier is getting extremely tiresome.

That point of view makes sense for someone who isn’t involved with software development

Mcrocha.3891:

I feel like you just didn’t read what I’ve written in this thread. It is opportunity cost to use traps over a stun break. But where is the opportunity cost on DH traps?

You only feel this way because we don’t agree with one another. That is perfectly fine and we can still be friends.

My mind, they work and don’t need it. Would it be nice, sure. Ok, I hear you and say sure, it would be nice. However, there are other means to get that stun break so we have to make choices. Maybe “A” more difficult choice say than other classes – in your example the DH.

I also don’t really care, no disrespect, what other classes have. Especially the Dragon Hunter. Its new. Has gone through 3 beta weeks for the public and has some changes recently and even a rather large bug fix. Just how this will effect traps on other classes remains to be seen so maybe you will get what you wish for. I don’t know. My view is that I really don’t like the whole class A has it so class B and C need it also. Pretty soon every class will look the same (of course yes, this is a bit of a exaggeration but you should get the idea). The two ton MMO I won’t mention, WoW, has this problem although it took about 8 years to get there.

Healing spring isn’t that bad of you are running trapper runes. It actually makes the slotting of LR rather easy if that is what you want. When used strategically you can place it such that everyone can run to when they need a top off. Just depends on the build I guess.

Anyway, no big deal and don’t sweat it. We disagree but I have read everything you wrote down.

I guess I just got used to the sad state of healing spring as it is right now, its a pretty decent skill and our best heal without question after they fix it not instantly activating when you use it. More lol at people saying that “It is not enough cleanse” well, of course not, its just your healing skill. Not even consume conditions is enough cleanse, but it surely helps a lot. Feel free to run Unguent or whatever and cry OP after guardians kill you with one condition tho <3. Do people really think we need traps to have even more cleanse and stunbreak XD?

Maybe they should have poisons stunbreak and cleanse you so I can play poison thief in a “fair” way…

“HS is our best heal without question” – Cristobal.8640

HS is our best heal? Not in a world where Wilderness Knowledge exists. I will take the Fury + two conditions cleanse on a very low cooldown, thank you very much.

Spike Trap – Stun break on skill use
Frost Trap – Encase in ice for 2s on initial pulse.
Viper’s Nest – Remove 1 boon per pulse.
Flame Trap – Cleanse 3 conditions on trigger.

Ghotistyx.6942:

That point of view makes sense for someone who isn’t involved with software development

Save the bs.

The additional stuff they added to DH traps are a result of the beta weekends, not the three years of feedback prior to HoT.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Spike Trap – Stun break on skill use
Frost Trap – Encase in ice for 2s on initial pulse.
Viper’s Nest – Remove 1 boon per pulse.
Flame Trap – Cleanse 3 conditions on trigger.

/drools…

i especially like the changes on frost trap and viper nest. theyre essential imo.

Ranger trap not traps. The stun break is on one.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Lazze.9870:

This isn’t something they have been taking knowledge of over the past years, it’s done simply because they want the dragonhunter to look shiny and good after 3 beta weekends of complaining. It’s one of many selling points of the expansion, ranger and thief traps ain’t.

If they had learned anything from the past three years of ranger and thief feedback, the dragonhunter traps wouldn’t have to go through betas to get the additional stuff they have now – they would have simply implemented these things from the get-go.

Rangers (and thieves) may very well get updated traps after this, but the fact that they can’t just LISTEN to the players for once and implement these kind of changes earlier is getting extremely tiresome.

That point of view makes sense for someone who isn’t involved with software development

Your statement is completely naive. Good development of any sort has iterations, and changes based on feedback. Saying that his outlook is invalid because of perspective basis is wrong. Especially when hes the end user(the perspective that matters the most).

I agree with the points many that have been made in here. I am glad anet are doing new and intresting things with traps for dragonhunter. I also agree that the some improvements make dragonhunters traps a lot more attractive current traps for the two other classes. The current traps are pretty much undesirable in many instances. I hope there is room for all the base traps for thief and ranger to be improved upon after HoT and hopefully have interesting game play other than trapper runes.

I still don’t get why spiked trap has a 45 sec CD

Kitty.1502:

I still don’t get why spiked trap has a 45 sec CD

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slick_Shoes

It should at least get a 2s KD to compare with SS.

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

Obviously you don’t know your class well enough. Shield of the Avenger, Wall of Reflection , Protector’s Strike, Zealot’s Defense, Shield of Wrath, Sanctuary, and with Dragon Hunter will have Shield of Courage.

Oh guardian has access to all this without having to use a skill that limit its ability to do damage like revenant, protective solace drains -8 a second, while it has a 5 second cool down, regenerating energy will take a while and limit their ability to use other skills.

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

Obviously you don’t know your class well enough. Shield of the Avenger, Wall of Reflection , Protector’s Strike, Zealot’s Defense, Shield of Wrath, Sanctuary, and with Dragon Hunter will have Shield of Courage.

Oh guardian has access to all this without having to use a skill that limit its ability to do damage like revenant, protective solace drains -8 a second, while it has a 5 second cool down, regenerating energy will take a while and limit their ability to use other skills.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I know my class, I’ve only been playing it for 3 years now. Guardian is a sinking ship and I for one, won’t be on it when it goes under. Sanctuary is complete garbage in almost any pve setting, Zealots defense is a skill thats not even used because it’s not meta. protectors strike is mildy useful but again, pales in comparisen to revs perma protection as is. Sheild of wrath is useful only to yourself and offers no party utility, Wall of reflection and sheild of the avenger so far are the only two you’ve listed of any real value to a party, which again, projectile reflect isn’t that useful in raids and rev can pull off just as well while doing far more dps than guardian and increasing overall team dps and survivability.

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

FYI, Herald cannot maintain those boons on a party because of energy regeneration. They get 5 energy regen per second, so maintaining Protection alone will mean they cannot use weapon skills except AA once they get low on energy. Consider that Guard can accomplish this with a Hammer and still be able to use all other utility skills and weapons skills on CD, Herald cannot do that. Herald also needs to camp the Dragon Stance to do it.

Anyway, if you don’t like guard or DH, nobody is forcing you to play it. It’s hardly a “sinking ship” like you keep spouting throughout the forums. DH got love for its traps, something Rangers have been trying to get for 3 years. Many Rangers don’t like Druid either, who cares? Play something else, don’t get emotionally attached.

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt

Do you even understand that this is a core ranger issue, and that this has nothing to do with the druid at all? That comparing the two elite specs is completely irrelevant? That this is a discussion about traps as streamlined utiliy skills among three professions? That the complaints exist because the DH traps are getting something that ranger/thief traps have been missing for three years?

No, you clearly don’t.

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

Obviously you don’t know your class well enough. Shield of the Avenger, Wall of Reflection , Protector’s Strike, Zealot’s Defense, Shield of Wrath, Sanctuary, and with Dragon Hunter will have Shield of Courage.

Oh guardian has access to all this without having to use a skill that limit its ability to do damage like revenant, protective solace drains -8 a second, while it has a 5 second cool down, regenerating energy will take a while and limit their ability to use other skills.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I know my class, I’ve only been playing it for 3 years now. Guardian is a sinking ship and I for one, won’t be on it when it goes under. Sanctuary is complete garbage in almost any pve setting, Zealots defense is a skill thats not even used because it’s not meta. protectors strike is mildy useful but again, pales in comparisen to revs perma protection as is. Sheild of wrath is useful only to yourself and offers no party utility, Wall of reflection and sheild of the avenger so far are the only two you’ve listed of any real value to a party, which again, projectile reflect isn’t that useful in raids and rev can pull off just as well while doing far more dps than guardian and increasing overall team dps and survivability.

You obviously need to learn your class better, I have ran with and have ran as a guardian to for over 1000 hours, and all these skills are great in the right situation. Are they always perfect? No, but the fact is, they are the best projectile hate class in the game currently and will continue to be so come post launch and will still be vital to PvE groups success in fractals and raids. You won’t have a group without at least one guardian.

Guardian got a much needed aspect of their game in Dragon Hunter, will it make it meta dps in PvE? No, but it will buff up their sPvP, which they have slipped a lot recently in. In WvW guardian will still be required, right now most front line groups need 2 guardians per group because guardians are the best form of stability and will continue to be so come post HoT.

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

Obviously you don’t know your class well enough. Shield of the Avenger, Wall of Reflection , Protector’s Strike, Zealot’s Defense, Shield of Wrath, Sanctuary, and with Dragon Hunter will have Shield of Courage.

Oh guardian has access to all this without having to use a skill that limit its ability to do damage like revenant, protective solace drains -8 a second, while it has a 5 second cool down, regenerating energy will take a while and limit their ability to use other skills.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I know my class, I’ve only been playing it for 3 years now. Guardian is a sinking ship and I for one, won’t be on it when it goes under. Sanctuary is complete garbage in almost any pve setting, Zealots defense is a skill thats not even used because it’s not meta. protectors strike is mildy useful but again, pales in comparisen to revs perma protection as is. Sheild of wrath is useful only to yourself and offers no party utility, Wall of reflection and sheild of the avenger so far are the only two you’ve listed of any real value to a party, which again, projectile reflect isn’t that useful in raids and rev can pull off just as well while doing far more dps than guardian and increasing overall team dps and survivability.

You obviously need to learn your class better, I have ran with and have ran as a guardian to for over 1000 hours, and all these skills are great in the right situation. Are they always perfect? No, but the fact is, they are the best projectile hate class in the game currently and will continue to be so come post launch and will still be vital to PvE groups success in fractals and raids. You won’t have a group without at least one guardian.

Guardian got a much needed aspect of their game in Dragon Hunter, will it make it meta dps in PvE? No, but it will buff up their sPvP, which they have slipped a lot recently in. In WvW guardian will still be required, right now most front line groups need 2 guardians per group because guardians are the best form of stability and will continue to be so come post HoT.

What’s amusing to me, is that because i strongly disagree with you, all you can say is “learn your class” We’ve been over this. I know my class and I’m being honest about it’s strengths and weaknesses. You are right, they are great at projectile blocking/reflecting, but this isn’t a mechanic that’s useful in raids, there’s so much aoe spam there that aegis is barely useful. The only area guardians will excell in still is fractals.

The thing is now, they are not the best at support, they aren’t the best at anything other than projectile hate. Which again, is useless for raids. They are decent at most things but excell at nothing, they are just going to be pushed into the same niche that necromancer has been in for years.

Traps have never been useful skills, the only use they will see on DH is in pvp so what’s the point in complaining that guardians are getting something that Will hardly be used anyway, when rangers are getting one of the best elite specs?

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

FYI, Herald cannot maintain those boons on a party because of energy regeneration. They get 5 energy regen per second, so maintaining Protection alone will mean they cannot use weapon skills except AA once they get low on energy. Consider that Guard can accomplish this with a Hammer and still be able to use all other utility skills and weapons skills on CD, Herald cannot do that. Herald also needs to camp the Dragon Stance to do it.

Anyway, if you don’t like guard or DH, nobody is forcing you to play it. It’s hardly a “sinking ship” like you keep spouting throughout the forums. DH got love for its traps, something Rangers have been trying to get for 3 years. Many Rangers don’t like Druid either, who cares? Play something else, don’t get emotionally attached.

Actually revenant can have permanant 2 boons at a time and still regenerate energy. you regen at +5 per sec where facets are only -2 this means you can have permanent protection and fury at all times.

The one to Rule.2593:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

The one to Rule.2593:

Kitty.1502:

The one to Rule.2593:

Are you seriously complaining? Guardians are getting shafted and rangers are getting the druid as an elite spec meaning they will be wanted in the new meta without a doubt, guardians are getting default ranger as an elite spec… No one is going to take a dragonhunter over druid for raids.

O utside of you know guardian still is the best support class in the game. No one comes close to the amount of projectile hate that guardian can administer. Furthermore, Dragonhunter adds a lot of PvP offensive to the class, will it be PvE amazing? no but guardian already is amazing in PvE as support and will have a place in raids as nothing matches it.

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I main guardian lol, I know what I’m talking about

Reflects are useless in raids, and revenent can reflect them more often since it has a 12 second cooldown and not 40, plus revenant provides permanent teamwide protection, swiftness, and fury. Plus can generate their own might. Also carries traits that give everyone an extra 150 ferocity.

Revenant support is superior in nearly every way to guardians.

FYI, Herald cannot maintain those boons on a party because of energy regeneration. They get 5 energy regen per second, so maintaining Protection alone will mean they cannot use weapon skills except AA once they get low on energy. Consider that Guard can accomplish this with a Hammer and still be able to use all other utility skills and weapons skills on CD, Herald cannot do that. Herald also needs to camp the Dragon Stance to do it.

Anyway, if you don’t like guard or DH, nobody is forcing you to play it. It’s hardly a “sinking ship” like you keep spouting throughout the forums. DH got love for its traps, something Rangers have been trying to get for 3 years. Many Rangers don’t like Druid either, who cares? Play something else, don’t get emotionally attached.

Actually revenant can have permanant 2 boons at a time and still regenerate energy. you regen at +5 per sec where facets are only -2 this means you can have permanent protection and fury at all times.

Yes but the protection is – 5 which – 2 is – 7, it cannot be infinitely maintained.

Also guardians have reflects revenant does not.

Lastly none of this has anything to do with the topic.

Let’s concentrate on the traps please.

Revenant does have reflects. Also legend swap takes you back to 50 energy, it’s really not that hard to maintain near permanent boons.

I agree that this has nothing to do with the topic though, my original point was about dragonhunter getting mildly useful traps for pvp, which is the only place they will ever be used.