Guild Wars 2

I chased a ranger underwater, and after taking down both his pets, and pushing them away from him, they kept reviving him as if they were alive and right next to him. And after being defeated, the speed was even faster, as if the pet was out of combat, so the two people that were with me could not keep the pet from reviving him.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lick_Wounds

This bug has been there and rangers have been exploiting it for ages to become virtually invulnerable underwater.

Is there any plans to address the issue?

Not sure about underwater spesifics but, after a pet is defeated it will come back to life once the ranger press the “lick wounds skill”. Cus the pet is revived, it might be out of combat. Lick Wounds – “Revive your pet at your location to revive you.” Not sure its an expolit, ltile interupt on pet will do the job, the skill got a long CD.

Because there are so many Rangers camping in lakes and rivers in WvW to take advantage of it too…

MithranArkanere.8957:

I chased a ranger underwater, and after taking down both his pets, and pushing them away from him, they kept reviving him as if they were alive and right next to him. And after being defeated, the speed was even faster, as if the pet was out of combat, so the two people that were with me could not keep the pet from reviving him.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lick_Wounds

This bug has been there and rangers have been exploiting it for ages to become virtually invulnerable underwater.

Is there any plans to address the issue?

It says: “Revive your pet at your location to revive you.”, so I would assume killing the pet before the Ranger goes down doesn’t do much. How exactly is this an exploit?

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Because there are so many Rangers camping in lakes and rivers in WvW to take advantage of it too…

I’ll admit I’ve used the water to my advantage more times than I can count when fighting 1vX. A ton of people don’t have crappy underwater weapons equipped, have no idea how to use them, and don’t bother with an exotic head piece, so they lose their rune bonus.

My favorite way to use the water to my advantage is if I’m playing longbow. I’ll keep cc’ing the player into the water with wolf/PBS and pew pew them down. The term “shooting fish in a barrel” is very accurate in those situations.

@Op- As far as “exploiting” goes….. using our downed state mechanic is not exploiting any more than ele’s are exploiting theirs by mistforming into a keep, or thieves are by teleporting out of AoE, warriors using vengeance, etc.

If you are having problems 3v1’ing underwater I suggest you either
a) set up your underwater build so you are doing damage
b) learn to fight 1v1 so maybe the ranger would stay and fight you on land instead of having to kite
c) get good
d) don’t be bad

You realise that being underwater or not makes no difference right? If the skill is up, then a Ranger can resurrect a dead pet (or call over a living one) to help revive regardless of our location with regards to water. It’s not a bug, it’s the skill working exactly as described.

Kaz.5430:

You realise that being underwater or not makes no difference right? If the skill is up, then a Ranger can resurrect a dead pet (or call over a living one) to help revive regardless of our location with regards to water. It’s not a bug, it’s the skill working exactly as described.

The ONLY thing thats different between land and water for lick wounds is that you can’t stomp the ranger underwater so you HAVE to kill the pet instead of just stomping the ranger and being done with it.

Interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever tried to finish someone underwater, so didn’t realise it wasn’t an option. IMO, that sounds more like a bug with finishers than with Ranger though.

Kaz.5430:

Interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever tried to finish someone underwater, so didn’t realise it wasn’t an option. IMO, that sounds more like a bug with finishers than with Ranger though.

That’s part of the reason they removed water combat from PvP. They’ve given up on underwater combat for the time being.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Because there are so many Rangers camping in lakes and rivers in WvW to take advantage of it too…

I’ve been tagging hills then camping the pool under Gari for scouts. Ofcoarse I’m not in the water though ;-)

LughLongArm.5460:

Not sure about underwater spesifics but, after a pet is defeated it will come back to life once the ranger press the “lick wounds skill”. Cus the pet is revived, it might be out of combat. Lick Wounds – “Revive your pet at your location to revive you.” Not sure its an expolit, ltile interupt on pet will do the job, the skill got a long CD.

If you had read my message or the notes section of the wiki page I linked, you’ll see that was not what was happening.

The bug happens because the pet keeps healing both while defeated, and while far from the ranger, when it’s supposed to be alive and next to the ranger to heal with its revive skill. The revive skill revives the pet, which then proceeds to run next to the ranger and revive them.

Both his pets where defeated, so one was in cooldown, and the other one indisposed, following him with no health.

The skill revived his shark pet once, so I pushed it away with Repeating Shot (if that one doesn’t push you away nothing will) and defeated it while the other guys where keeping the ranger from reaching the surface. But that didn’t prevent his revival. While still really farm from the pet, the revive just kept going on while being both away from the ranger, nowhere near the surface, and defeated.

Here’s the ranger —-Here’s us hitting the ranger with melee underwater weapons-————————————————————————————————————Here’s the defeated pet, healing the cheating ranger wirelessly, with the power of his mind or something.

That is a known bug, and it should not happen, as the only way to stop it is out-damaging the healing from the bugged skill, which is specially harder since the heals much more and much faster once defeated, as if it was out of combat.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Because there are so many Rangers camping in lakes and rivers in WvW to take advantage of it too…

You see rangers jumping into water when they think they may get defeated all the time if you open your eyes and watch out for it.
The entire borderlands southern camp, the fisher camp and the southern gate of the center keep are underwater. The northern red lake and the green keep are also surrounded by water.

And it doesn’t matter how many people do it. It’s a bug, it’s exploited to gain and unfair advantage, and it should not be allowed. You know, like with any other bug. I don’t see why this should be an exception.

Puck.9612:

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I do not condone spreading misinformation to keep a bug working. I can understand you may find it convenient to be virtually invincible when you re near water, but there’s other players in the game and you must think about them too.

I don’t know about the other guys hitting the ranger, but I have level 80 exotic underwater gear with that character. Well, excepting the masterwork breather. But that should not make much of a difference. Breathers should be mere skins and the stats should be taken from the equipped headgear, but that’s a different matter.
When that bug is not exploited, 2-3 Mariner’s Frenzies from my WvW warrior are enough to finish someone underwater maybe 3-4 with some necromancers. I managed to land a bit more than 9 before the cheater’s pet outhealed our damage in the middle of the 10th. That over 80 seconds! In that time even a single guy with freaking Nomad would have taken out a drowning enemy.

Kaz.5430:

Interesting, I don’t think I’ve ever tried to finish someone underwater, so didn’t realise it wasn’t an option. IMO, that sounds more like a bug with finishers than with Ranger though.

You can’t. Underwater you have to take their entire downed health. That’s why this exploit works.

Okay guys there you have it. I’m pretty sure this thread has no covered all the bases for rangers. We’ve constantly been called cheaters/exploiters for running power builds because of range, homing missile pets (lol), we are hacking when running condi survival because of evade spam, condi removal, other random qq, if we run traps we are stealthing too much and moving too fast.
Now if a ranger fights in or anywhere around the water he is a cheater, GG. Is there anything left for people to kitten about?

Puck.9612:

Okay guys there you have it. I’m pretty sure this thread has no covered all the bases for rangers. We’ve constantly been called cheaters/exploiters for running power builds because of range, homing missile pets (lol), we are hacking when running condi survival because of evade spam, condi removal, other random qq, if we run traps we are stealthing too much and moving too fast.
Now if a ranger fights in or anywhere around the water he is a cheater, GG. Is there anything left for people to kitten about?

Maybe if lots of people start running blackbear the enemy will complain about “bs 10sec weakness aoe 600 range pets denying dodgerolls!”

Justine.6351:

Puck.9612:

Okay guys there you have it. I’m pretty sure this thread has no covered all the bases for rangers. We’ve constantly been called cheaters/exploiters for running power builds because of range, homing missile pets (lol), we are hacking when running condi survival because of evade spam, condi removal, other random qq, if we run traps we are stealthing too much and moving too fast.
Now if a ranger fights in or anywhere around the water he is a cheater, GG. Is there anything left for people to kitten about?

Maybe if lots of people start running blackbear the enemy will complain about “bs 10sec weakness aoe 600 range pets denying dodgerolls!”

We should all try to get in the same EotM instance and make this a thing.

@OP The skill works as labeled.

It is not an exploit but it is to say “cheap”

Lick wounds works regardless if the pet is alive or not and regardless if you in water or not.

You can kill the pet and the downed ranger has to wait for the cd to be back up again.

Its really not that hard to cleave a downed ranger even underwater. As a ranger I get killed in and out of water all the time by smart people that fight me rather than the pet.

It sounds like you you and your friends chased the pet while they mostly self res’ed.

Please if your going to make an exploit post, do post a video. Something maybe broken, but more than likely it’s just a misunderstanding of mechanics. Which this sounds like it is a case of.

You can’t assume someone is cheating, when that happens. I try to get into the water as well, when I’m in a 1vX (when X > 1). Not because of a bug (I wasn’t even aware of), but simply because stomping is no longer an option and I raise my odds to get revived by my pet. If there is a bug, you’re right with wanting to have it fixed, I give you that. But please don’t call people cheater, most of them aren’t.

For the record, the OP is not complaining about the fact that a pet is revived when the skill is being triggered. He’s rather complaining about the fact that a pet keeps reviving, even if it is killed after the skill was used.

I would not call it cheating if it wasn’t for every single ranger I’ve chased anywhere near water getting inside the water and innevitably getting revived over and over until Defeat Penalty catches up and they get instantly defeated when entering drowned.

6 out of ten at most I could think they are just trying to increase their odds. Every single one of them getting into water as soon as their health gets too low, and every single one of them always getting revived even when their pets have been kicked away and defeated? That’s way too much not to call it exploiting bugs.

MithranArkanere.8957:

I would not call it cheating if it wasn’t for every single ranger I’ve chased anywhere near water getting inside the water and innevitably getting revived over and over until Defeat Penalty catches up and they get instantly defeated when entering drowned.

6 out of ten at most I could think they are just trying to increase their odds. Every single one of them getting into water as soon as their health gets too low, and every single one of them always getting revived even when their pets have been kicked away and defeated? That’s way too much not to call it exploiting bugs.

Soooo now every ranger is a cheater.
This guys is pure gold.

There is a bug where the pet will continue to revive you after it dies, initially the devs actually said this was intended though but later changed their tune and fixed it, but the bug still happens sometimes although it’s very very rare now atleast for me I can’t remember when it last did even, but stunning or knocking the pet pack will only temporarily stop it from healing so don’t mistake that for a bug that is normal behaviour something that is far more common for me is that enemies take so long to kill you or the pet that when it finally does die lick wounds is off CD again I think many people mistake you reviving the pet and making it heal you a second time for the old bug, plus you can’t call it exploiting if you have absolutely no control over it either.

MithranArkanere.8957:

I would not call it cheating if it wasn’t for every single ranger I’ve chased anywhere near water getting inside the water and innevitably getting revived over and over until Defeat Penalty catches up and they get instantly defeated when entering drowned.

6 out of ten at most I could think they are just trying to increase their odds. Every single one of them getting into water as soon as their health gets too low, and every single one of them always getting revived even when their pets have been kicked away and defeated? That’s way too much not to call it exploiting bugs.

I disagree. Even without the bug, a Ranger would always go for the water, wouldn’t he? Anyway, the discussion about exploiting is moot, since we can never reach a conclusion that’s based on anything but guessing. If there is a bug, it needs fixing. Probably won’t happen, though, since there a more crucial bugs out there right now and even those take a while to get fixed.

Manekk.6981:

There is a bug where the pet will continue to revive you after it dies, initially the devs actually said this was intended though but later changed their tune and fixed it, but the bug still happens sometimes although it’s very very rare now atleast for me I can’t remember when it last did even, but stunning or knocking the pet pack will only temporarily stop it from healing so don’t mistake that for a bug that is normal behaviour something that is far more common for me is that enemies take so long to kill you or the pet that when it finally does die lick wounds is off CD again I think many people mistake you reviving the pet and making it heal you a second time for the old bug, plus you can’t call it exploiting if you have absolutely no control over it either.

If they ever fixed it, it’s back. It has happened every single time I’ve seen a ranger near water for a very long time. The last guy we had to deal with the last time was the last straw as it was a specially extreme case.

And yes, pets are supposed to stop when pushed and quickly run back to their master to keep on healing. That’s normal. You see that all the time.

The thing is, these pets did not stop. Pushing the pet did nothing. The ranger kept reviving while the pet was away as if it was not pushed, or as if there was someone there still healing.

I even considered that maybe the guy had a host of cloaked thieves because the recovery speed was too fast for a single creature. But that was not it either.

So, after discarding all the possible explanations there’s only two left: Either there’s a bug that it’s being exploited and must be fixed, or there’s someone using some sort of hack and trying to conceal it with Lick Wounds underwater, so when people complain about it they get dismissed as a “L2P issue”.

First of all, nobody is “exploiting” anything. If a pet is doing something strange, it is entirely the fault of the AI, which is completely out of the players control, and we can’t make the pet do or not do this thing you think is a bug (which I’m not disputing, I’m transitioning to my next point).

Second of all, this isn’t the bug report forum, so saying something about it here does nothing. You should have made a post in the bug reports detailing the circumstances of which this happened without interjecting any bias/opinion (because ANet staff in that thread doesn’t want to hear it, they want to hear just about what the bug is).

MithranArkanere.8957:

Manekk.6981:

There is a bug where the pet will continue to revive you after it dies, initially the devs actually said this was intended though but later changed their tune and fixed it, but the bug still happens sometimes although it’s very very rare now atleast for me I can’t remember when it last did even, but stunning or knocking the pet pack will only temporarily stop it from healing so don’t mistake that for a bug that is normal behaviour something that is far more common for me is that enemies take so long to kill you or the pet that when it finally does die lick wounds is off CD again I think many people mistake you reviving the pet and making it heal you a second time for the old bug, plus you can’t call it exploiting if you have absolutely no control over it either.

If they ever fixed it, it’s back. It has happened every single time I’ve seen a ranger near water for a very long time. The last guy we had to deal with the last time was the last straw as it was a specially extreme case.

And yes, pets are supposed to stop when pushed and quickly run back to their master to keep on healing. That’s normal. You see that all the time.

The thing is, these pets did not stop. Pushing the pet did nothing. The ranger kept reviving while the pet was away as if it was not pushed, or as if there was someone there still healing.

I even considered that maybe the guy had a host of cloaked thieves because the recovery speed was too fast for a single creature. But that was not it either.

So, after discarding all the possible explanations there’s only two left: Either there’s a bug that it’s being exploited and must be fixed, or there’s someone using some sort of hack and trying to conceal it with Lick Wounds underwater, so when people complain about it they get dismissed as a “L2P issue”.

Well I never had that happen to me only that pets heal after dying but last I saw that was probably several months ago so it’s not as common as you say I really think you are mistaking his second heal for the bug perhaps combined with the bug occurring again at some point, it would seem strange if it never happened to me anymore but always for some? since I frequently also go to water when outnumbered, not because of this mind you but because I can quickly kill multiple opponents there and the second I get someone down it will be nearly impossible to rez him since the no1 harpoongun is an aoe bleed, plus some of the most dangerous ones when you are outnumbered are the weakest in water aka thieves can’t stealth nonstop etc. in any case there is really not much to be gained from sitting in a puddle of water anywhere anymore outside of potentially saving your own kitten so I doubt you’ll see this looked at again for a long time.

Hey, man… all I can say is…

…when the Heat is on me heavy from a group of would be killers, the first thing I do is look for any, and I do mean ANY, body of water. I’ll jump my fat butt into a kiddie pool if I’m lucky to be close enough to one…

Hmmm… I remember surviving for over 5 minutes once in a 6 v 1 in the waters between Overlook and Anz before my people (zerg) came and smoked the havoc group that was trying to send me back to spawn in a body bag… hahaha!

I personally don’t see a problem here.