Zerk PvP rangers: Stomp vs. burn

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Posted by: Sergo.2867

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If you’re a zerk pvp ranger, what percent of the time do you stomp an enemy, and what percent do you just burn them down?

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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No percent; more based on scenario.

If they are downed on a point, I stomp so we can [de-]cap the point.

If I have a downed teammate, stomp unless they are low enough it’d be quicker to burn.

If I’m outnumbered, I’ll likely try to burn them down unless I can pop cooldowns to keep from dying while I stand still to stomp.

If they aren’t on a point and I have no pressing reason for them to be dead … one arrow into them any time they heal … or let pet take 1 bite. Waste as much of their time as possible.

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Posted by: Dojo.1867

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I nearly always burn zerker classes.

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Posted by: Larynx.2453

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Usually faster just to burn thieves.

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Posted by: Serraphin Storm.2369

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It takes about 3 seconds to stomp. So about 75% of the time I stomp. Even if Rapid fire is of cd I save it for my next target. If its really hectic I’ll stealth stomp or stability stomp depending on the class.

If they are off point I will sometime burn them down, however its normally faster to stomp and factoring the squish nature of lb zerker ending it as quick as possible as you may me targeted by an unseen foe (Mesmer or thief).

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Posted by: robertul.3679

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As a zerker you should really just cleave or prevent the rez by cc-ing the rezzers/warbanners. Wolf fear, entangle, muddly terrain, point blank shot, hilt bash, maul etc.

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Posted by: Tragic Positive.9356

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The very 1st idea…
… If you are a Zerk ranger – you are playing it wrong if you are closer than 1300 range.

If you really think of actually stomping the target – you are doing something wrong. Stomping comes into consideration only if it’s the last target to be executed and your allies are downed as well.

But even there I consider healing my teammates up a bit just to make sure the enemy won’t rally in this case.

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Posted by: Serraphin Storm.2369

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I totally disagree. Being a zerker ranger doesn’t mean that you only have a bow. 1h sword is very effective. Which more classes bring reflect and block your just limiting yourself if you don’t know when to get it there. It not like it difficult since you can stealth stomp very easy. Then turn your attention to remaining target using quickness and or sos, but it most cases its not needed as you can start with path of scar.

Downing a target mean nothing if you can finish him.
In most matches I stomp more then any other team member (in a 3v3 I normally stomp 2 of the 3).

I mean if skulking on the sideline is your idea of using a very offensive spec to it fullest and it fits your play style, I wouldn’t say your playing wrong if its works for you. Yet I don’t think its the best use.

Even with the defence down player have against stomp they still can be use against the burn. It take maybe 6 seconds if they try to defend unless your playing against a good ranger and bursting him down isn’t going to cut it unless you have help and why have two men doing what one should be able to do on his own.

You trying to res while your teammate is about to stomp will result in a dead team mate. pb and fear can work to help you but may not work do to stability and effect that redirect cc.

Learning how to stomp other rangers helps. You can stealth and he will just target your pet and interrupt you. Switch pets during your stomp will make him lost the target and by the time he re-acquires it he will be dead. (in case your stability is on cd)

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Posted by: Rome.7124

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I totally disagree. Being a zerker ranger doesn’t mean that you only have a bow. 1h sword is very effective. Which more classes bring reflect and block your just limiting yourself if you don’t know when to get it there. It not like it difficult since you can stealth stomp very easy. Then turn your attention to remaining target using quickness and or sos, but it most cases its not needed as you can start with path of scar.

Downing a target mean nothing if you can finish him.
In most matches I stomp more then any other team member (in a 3v3 I normally stomp 2 of the 3).

I mean if skulking on the sideline is your idea of using a very offensive spec to it fullest and it fits your play style, I wouldn’t say your playing wrong if its works for you. Yet I don’t think its the best use.

Even with the defence down player have against stomp they still can be use against the burn. It take maybe 6 seconds if they try to defend unless your playing against a good ranger and bursting him down isn’t going to cut it unless you have help and why have two men doing what one should be able to do on his own.

You trying to res while your teammate is about to stomp will result in a dead team mate. pb and fear can work to help you but may not work do to stability and effect that redirect cc.

Learning how to stomp other rangers helps. You can stealth and he will just target your pet and interrupt you. Switch pets during your stomp will make him lost the target and by the time he re-acquires it he will be dead. (in case your stability is on cd)

what’s a good zerker pvp build with 1h sword? Can you share it? I’m a bit new to the ranger class…

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Posted by: Tragic Positive.9356

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I mean if skulking on the sideline is your idea of using a very offensive spec to it fullest and it fits your play style, I wouldn’t say your playing wrong if its works for you. Yet I don’t think its the best use.

Correct me if I’m mistaken here, but you consider GlassBow ranger an aggressive character… That sadly is only good at fighting people that cannot fight back – due to range – or people who die in 1 rapid fire. (lack of survival and lack of burst… Ranger’s damage peak is tunnel variation of DPS, not a burst)…

I’m afraid I wouldn’t really support that idea since it’s technically incorrect.

If you wanted someone to deal high power damage, to offer team utility and HIGHER damage than a ranger, also suitable for melee combat – you’d tell him to pick a GS / sw+torch Mesmer.

And not only he’ll deal better damage; his damage can’t even be reflected; he’ll boost some of his teammates with might, he’ll strip boons in AoE – he’ll have easier time porting in to stomp a target – with opened doors for stealth too, and instead of dealing nice damage with Maul – he’ll Blow people from 100-0 if they don’t dodge at the right moment.
While having access to a priceless Portal Mechanic, and having much higher Burst Spike.

Prove me wrong.
The only upper hand a ranger has is the range. Nothing more. Not the CC, not the utility, not the damage and definitely not the survivability.
If you consider playing Power Ranger for it’s melee capabilities – you are focusing on the wrong build (if not the wrong class altogether).

If we take non-competitive environment into consideration – than all the brainstorming is pointless. Everyone should play what suits him and what entertains him.
I’m mostly talking about results and risk/reward ratio.

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Posted by: Skullface.7293

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Correct me if I’m mistaken here, but you consider GlassBow ranger an aggressive character… That sadly is only good at fighting people that cannot fight back – due to range – or people who die in 1 rapid fire. (lack of survival and lack of burst… Ranger’s damage peak is tunnel variation of DPS, not a burst)…

I think you have never seen a good power ranger play then.

They are stronger than you think in 1v1s with both players having their cooldowns up. The mechanical skill with the class plays a huge part here like any other class.

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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

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what’s a good zerker pvp build with 1h sword? Can you share it? I’m a bit new to the ranger class…

If you’re new to ranger you probably don’t want anything to do with a zerker build using 1-handed sword. It’s not new-to-class friendly.

It’s just swapping the more popular greatsword for a sword + axe or dagger. Neither is better, just different, but GS is way easier to play.

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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If you’re new to Ranger, you likely don’t want to start with Sword with any build. Ranger’s Sword alone takes some time to truly Master, and that can be difficult to do when you’re trying to master all the other facets of the class.

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Posted by: Skullface.7293

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Even if you are a master of the 1h sword it’s not a practical weapon to use in my opinion compared to using greatsword. You will always hesitate in auto attacking using a zerker build with a 1h sword in PvP, hence why Greatsword will do more damage for you since you won’t be rooted when you attack.

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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Careful using the word “always”, friend :-)

Times I’m not hesistant to auto-attack with 1H Sword:

  • Target is CC’d (knockdown, fear, etc.)
  • Target’s key abilities are on cooldown
  • Signet of Stone immunity
  • Protect Me pseudo immunity
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Posted by: Skullface.7293

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Careful using the word “always”, friend :-)

Times I’m not hesistant to auto-attack with 1H Sword:

  • Target is CC’d (knockdown, fear, etc.)
  • Target’s key abilities are on cooldown
  • Signet of Stone immunity
  • Protect Me pseudo immunity

Of course there are times where it is a good time to use the auto attack. Maybe I shouldn’t have said the word “ALWAYS”, but “most of the time” hehe.

I understand the pet CC’s, but you really don’t want to pop your immunity skills (SoS & Protect Me) just for the sake of autoattacking your opponent. In the long run, Greatsword will end up do more for you anyways.

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

Sebrent.3625

Possibly :-)
I think it depends on build.

I will agree that in PvP I do find myself auto-attacking with Greatsword more than I do with 1H Sword simply because I can’t stand forfeiting control of my character when I may need to dodge at a moment’s notice.

That said, I usually swap to 1H sword when either:

  • I need to be on the defensive and get in some extra evades
  • I’m heavily on the offensive and want to stick to you like white on rice
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Posted by: Fluffball.8307

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That said, I usually swap to 1H sword when either:

  • I need to be on the defensive and get in some extra evades
  • I’m heavily on the offensive and want to stick to you like white on rice

+1
Sword can either be way more defensive than GS or way more offensive than GS depending on the offhand and intent. GS is happily in the middle.

I always use 1h sword because I only play power ranger in WvW where the mobility is too important to give up. You don’t often get outnumbered in PvP if you’re paying attention. You get outnumbered all the time in WvW.

On top of that, for 1v1 the greater offense of the 1h sword is what I want, especially that I’ve always based my playstyle around CC. I.e. find some noob LB ranger who thinks he’s amazing for running SoS with no condi clears, CC the hell out of him and burn him down with sword auto. That winds up doing more damage than maul and keeps insane pressure on the target.

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Posted by: Sebrent.3625

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Let’s not forget how Sword synergizes so very well with our pets as well.

Pets still don’t like trying to hit a moving target (thanks, Obama … rrrm, ArenaNet).

However, pet’s have a happier time hitting a moving target if that target is crippled (yay!)

Then we have our wonderful 3rd hit in the chain providing our pet with Might (extra Noms! woot!)

This actually allows a 1H Sword ranger to play a little tankier and still have very solid damage. One of the things I love about my Ranger.

For some awesome mobility and a change of pace … try a build with Sword+X & Greatsword ;-)

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