Guild Wars 2

A Ranger that knows how to play is a very very dangerous thing so keep coming for me I want you to. Ignorance is bliss.

I’ll fix your statement.

Community assumes that all rangers are bad, and they want their belief to stay true no matter what.

That’s why when they see a ranger pew pew them to death, they suddenly want the ranger to be nerfed down because they want to confirm their believe and think ranger is useless.

Most of them are bad. When I see another ranger on my team in PvP I’m disappointed.

Toxsa.2701:

I’ll fix your statement.

Community assumes that all rangers are bad, and they want their belief to stay true no matter what.

That’s why when they see a ranger pew pew them to death, they suddenly want the ranger to be nerfed down because they want to confirm their believe and think ranger is useless.

^ What Power Rangers actually believe.

Ranger is not entirely useless*, but the Zerker LB/GS build is the biggest scrub magnet in the game currently. Its quite easy to press 2, but its quite hard to play that spec properly and stay alive so obviously the majority of the players who run that build are just plainly bad.

*Though I kinda feel it is when it comes to WvW, hardly any use in Zergs and all of its roaming builds are lacking somewhere compared to a lot of other classes.

the community is like sheep they like to join the masses but as for me I like to be the black sheep and go against the majority. It’s just like what they say about Necros being bad also yet I saw a necro take on 3 ppl alone and won cause they couldn’t kill him and they were infested with conditions they couldn’t remove in time alone with him using lich form.
So im here scratching my head on where do people get that these 2 proffessions are bad? I think it’s a playerskill issue not a class issue.

Bad boys bad boys, whacha gonna do, whacha gonna do when they Rapid Fire you in the face!

So if you think rangers are good…why all the gw2 community ALWAYS FOCUS ON RANGER FIRST ?? We all know ranger is totally broken that s why it s Always the first target and that’ s why they Always die for first.

I’ m sorry but Anet has made too many mistakes with rangers. They showed simply no love to them…that’ s why so many rangers have quitted during these 3 years.
Sadness

Community thinks that every Ranger is bad.

Because a vast majority is. Over 85%.
If you want to maximize your results – you should prepare for the worst – which naturally means finding a way to get through even without a ranger or with a useless one.

I have high prejudice against rangers on the spot as well. For a good reason. Once they earn the trust – we are free to get back on the road immediately.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Community thinks that every Ranger is bad.

Because a vast majority is. Over 85%.
If you want to maximize your results – you should prepare for the worst – which naturally means finding a way to get through even without a ranger or with a useless one.

I have high prejudice against rangers on the spot as well. For a good reason. Once they earn the trust – we are free to get back on the road immediately.

“92% of all statistical percentages are made up on the spot” ~ Abraham Lincoln

There are two reason that people believe that there are a lot of bad rangers.
The first is that rangers are the second most created class. The sheer numbers means you will have a lot of people in the class who are bad.

Second is Rangers require a lot of investment to play any role. It comes down two major elements damage and survival.

When a ranger spec’s for damage he gives up a lot in the survival department. Thief and Mesmer still have stealth. Warriors have have regen and Guardians have aegis and blocks. These innate abilities plus great mobility make these class more stable.

Some Rangers go condi because it has defense built in by way of toughness. Condi take entirely to long to kill unless facing opponents that have zero condi cleanse like a lot of zerker rangers.

Being skilled as a zerker isn’t how fast you kill. Staying alive and finishing targets is what make the difference. It doesn’t matter if you down 5 foes but can’t finish them.

Being decent is about how much you contribute. Not being able to rally a teammate because you are to far from the action to stomp or ress hurts your team. Not being able to support the team with buff or taking advantage of the buffs hurts the team. Spotter is a great buff for the team as it stacks with fury but if the ranger is 1500 units away it does nothing.

If you play Lb ranger and you sit at range 90% of the time you are contributing the idea rangers are bad. You have two weapons use them and if you second set is range you are setting yourself you to be shut down.

Because we lack or give up so much to go power is why survival can be an issue. This can lead many players to play entirely to cautious.

So the reason there kitten many bad rangers is because of the lack of inherent defense (regen, stealth, mobility, blocks, toughness) couple with the fact there is so many of us.

Not to mention that most people who don’t play rangers think we just 1111 and 2222 the whole time. A rangers whole bar maybe on cd but they will still get taunts like “spam 2 more”.

During my time playing exclusively as a ranger I would intentionally seek out other rangers in wvw to see how others played the class. During that time I killed 86 rangers and didn’t die once. What I did notice is alot of newer players pick rangers because in alot of games the ranged pet class tends to be the easy mode class for people to hop on and get some easy kills. Here in gw though I find that in order to play a ranger to its capabilities there is quite a bit of skill involved. So id imagine that the ranger class will always see large influxes of new inexperienced players then as time goes on,the true ranger players will weed themselves out and shine.

Obviously this is IMHO.

JAXX

Most rangers that you run into are going to be bad, heck most players you run into will be bad. The issue is most of the meta builds you see for other classes will carry bad players to an extent, to survive being focused as a ranger you have to be a good player.

Most Rangers are bad though. As far as PvP is concerned in EU I can count all the good rangers or one hand, no more than 5. As far as NA I can count all the good rangers on one finger.

Also how many competitive rangers are there? 2.

Benjamin.8237:

Most Rangers are bad though. As far as PvP is concerned in EU I can count all the good rangers or one hand, no more than 5. As far as NA I can count all the good rangers on one finger.

Also how many competitive rangers are there? 2.

Yet a large portion of community is QQing about ranger and want it to be nerfed down.
So what does that make the community into? Lower than some word starting with the letter t?

Darkness.9732:

So if you think rangers are good…why all the gw2 community ALWAYS FOCUS ON RANGER FIRST ?? We all know ranger is totally broken that s why it s Always the first target and that’ s why they Always die for first.

I’ m sorry but Anet has made too many mistakes with rangers. They showed simply no love to them…that’ s why so many rangers have quitted during these 3 years.
Sadness

You are not going to tell some players the truth. They get their behind hurt when you do or they make up excuse.. I have a Lvl 80 archer with two sets of Armor one is Carrion the other is berserker. I switch between them along with my traits, bows and other goodies i have. Ranger is only good for is PVE as for PVP they are useless..They are ok for WvW support with a (Group)..I made a Thief now all most at lvl 35 I pawn a lot of Rangers in WvW with squishy 35 lvl gear on..lol What even more funny I can teleport my self with a BOW (Whats wrong with this picture)and i am a thief..ROFL…Yeah Anet needs to over haul the Rangers to make them better.. Oh i even had one player stated that the pets are bugged that is why they are weak..LOL More Excuses.. People just admit the Rangers stinks and needs a over haul..

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Razor.9872:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Community thinks that every Ranger is bad.

Because a vast majority is. Over 85%.
If you want to maximize your results – you should prepare for the worst – which naturally means finding a way to get through even without a ranger or with a useless one.

I have high prejudice against rangers on the spot as well. For a good reason. Once they earn the trust – we are free to get back on the road immediately.

“92% of all statistical percentages are made up on the spot” ~ Abraham Lincoln

I’ve been playing this game (ranger most of the time, 91% sPvP games played) for over 2 years, now.
And statistically around 8-9 rangers out of 10 I played with were horrible. PvE wise I’ve seen 2 good rangers out of all the hundreds I’ve met, so far.

If you see my name beside the numbers, you can assume that I made the maths behind it.

I agree that rangers need a little love..but at the end of the day they have a low barrier of entry but a steep learning curve…which will keep most rangers as poor players and great rangers few and far in between.

I’d also add that you cant just stand in one spot and shoot with your pet doing the work…and I see so many rangers trying to do that. In order to be effective with the class you have to move like a ferret on meth.

I suspect the majority of rangers playing now came on board with the LB/signet buffs, so are understandably terrible. There aren’t a ton of us who have been playing since launch because rangers have had some rough patches in the past (and are arguably still in one.)

Safiyasha.2910:

A Ranger that knows how to play is a very very dangerous thing so keep coming for me I want you to. Ignorance is bliss.

this.

Safiyasha.2910:

A Ranger that knows how to play is a very very dangerous thing so keep coming for me I want you to. Ignorance is bliss.

I will call your bluff..Every Ranger i seen had died in 15 seconds or less. Not to mention how many i have taken out in the mist..Ranger are no good for pvp period…Just swallow your pride i probably had killed you in the mist as well..

Gapaw.8674:

Safiyasha.2910:

A Ranger that knows how to play is a very very dangerous thing so keep coming for me I want you to. Ignorance is bliss.

I will call your bluff..Every Ranger i seen had died in 15 seconds or less. Not to mention how many i have taken out in the mist..Ranger are no good for pvp period…Just swallow your pride i probably had killed you in the mist as well..

while i’m not disagree-ing nor agreeing with you, 15 seconds is either a hyperbole or plain false. while it is rare nowadays, the condi-regen build can last a decent amount of time in 1v1’s with very little effort (not to say it doesn’t take skill).

and if you’ve played pvp for more than a week, chances are you’ve ran into a couple of these builds.

Not to mention there’s a ranger in the competitive field (i believe. i’ve never actually kept up with it)

even glassbow rangers can last a long time if you play defensively and know what you’re doing

edit: for the sake of contributing something to the topic, I think the fact that the same people who complain about all rangers being bad (and that they kill rangers “all the time” )are generally the same people that cry for ranger nerfs. that speaks for itself, imo.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Razor.9872:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Community thinks that every Ranger is bad.

Because a vast majority is. Over 85%.
If you want to maximize your results – you should prepare for the worst – which naturally means finding a way to get through even without a ranger or with a useless one.

I have high prejudice against rangers on the spot as well. For a good reason. Once they earn the trust – we are free to get back on the road immediately.

“92% of all statistical percentages are made up on the spot” ~ Abraham Lincoln

I’ve been playing this game (ranger most of the time, 91% sPvP games played) for over 2 years, now.
And statistically around 8-9 rangers out of 10 I played with were horrible. PvE wise I’ve seen 2 good rangers out of all the hundreds I’ve met, so far.

If you see my name beside the numbers, you can assume that I made the maths behind it.

Never assume. Always question.

As far as I can tell its situated in several different points as of right now (I wont claim to know how it started)

Rangers are very open world PVE friendly (not counting the newer maps). A ranger whos leveling will have a very easy time doing so. This teaches alot of bad habits that get said ranger killed when they eventually enter higher level content (newer maps/ PvP/WvW) Its similar to someone whose only ever done full zerk dungeon running leaving hte instance and trying to play the same way in other aspect of the game mode and wondering why hes dieing so fast when everything hes seen up to that point shows that he should be killing his targets before there threats.

This further lead to a large number of rangers appearing that simply had too many bad habits trained into them by the game appearing at lvl 80. Further promoting the stigma that rangers have today.

Generally any ranger maining a longbow was generally seen as a bad player right off the bat. Since the weapon was poor in every sense competitively in ANY game mode. It’s ONLY place to shine was open world PvE and even then it was lackluster.

Condi rangers however often could earn a healthy amount of respect. Although they had to break through the opposing stigma of “condi bunker cheese” that gets thrown around quite often. In essence condi rangers are often treated as being a different class entirely than power rangers.

Recently however that build/playstyle that was synonymous with failure. Got a buff that pushed it into its own niche role in the field. And it excells now in that ONE niche roll. The weapon itself is very good at what it does now. This creates a few issues in the eyes of the non ranger community.

Suddenly something that equaled failure was killing them. Thats a massive blow to a persons pride. Also since its something they havnt encountered after a year or 2 of playing the game they had no idea how to deal with it. (which can be massively frustrating) This has changed however and more people are getting used to it. Others however are still stubbornly refusing to adapt. (the primary source of complaints)

Toxsa.2701:

Benjamin.8237:

Most Rangers are bad though. As far as PvP is concerned in EU I can count all the good rangers or one hand, no more than 5. As far as NA I can count all the good rangers on one finger.

Also how many competitive rangers are there? 2.

Yet a large portion of community is QQing about ranger and want it to be nerfed down.
So what does that make the community into? Lower than some word starting with the letter t?

They want it nerfed because they need to L2P. Most of the time it’s because they lose a 1v1 against us which we are very strong at or get caught off guard by a rapid fire. But it is clear that most Rangers suck when you watch the same 3-4 continually beating hundreds of others in the 1v1 servers and you can only trust about 4 names in PvP matches. Again competitively, there is like 2 rangers. I’m not saying that Ranger needs to be buffed or nerfed either, although our support could do with some love (hopes for HOT).

ITheNormalPerson.9275:

Gapaw.8674:

Safiyasha.2910:

A Ranger that knows how to play is a very very dangerous thing so keep coming for me I want you to. Ignorance is bliss.

I will call your bluff..Every Ranger i seen had died in 15 seconds or less. Not to mention how many i have taken out in the mist..Ranger are no good for pvp period…Just swallow your pride i probably had killed you in the mist as well..

while i’m not disagree-ing nor agreeing with you, 15 seconds is either a hyperbole or plain false. while it is rare nowadays, the condi-regen build can last a decent amount of time in 1v1’s with very little effort (not to say it doesn’t take skill).

and if you’ve played pvp for more than a week, chances are you’ve ran into a couple of these builds.

Not to mention there’s a ranger in the competitive field (i believe. i’ve never actually kept up with it)

even glassbow rangers can last a long time if you play defensively and know what you’re doing

edit: for the sake of contributing something to the topic, I think the fact that the same people who complain about all rangers being bad (and that they kill rangers “all the time” )are generally the same people that cry for ranger nerfs. that speaks for itself, imo.

Why would a ranger play defensive?Just admit the offense suxs? When it comes hand to hand combat up close they are finish ie Mist or Pvp.Further more the farther away you are the more damage you deal with a bow.(You could say that is part defense being father back). If the Bow did its Job like it should, i would not need a weak pet to make up the difference for my Bow..LOL The only thing that the Bow has good going for it is the rapid fire..Once you use the rapid fire the Ranger is dead meat and i am going to nail you to the ground with my thief.. BTW I play ranger so i know what they can and cannot do..When i play thief i never lost a fight with a ranger they are to easy.

Darkness.9732:

…why all the gw2 community ALWAYS FOCUS ON RANGER FIRST ?? We all know ranger is totally broken that s why it s Always the first target and that’ s why they Always die for first.

I’ m sorry but Anet has made too many mistakes with rangers. They showed simply no love to them…that’ s why so many rangers have quitted during these 3 years.
Sadness

Totaly TRUE, mate.
Some dude even follows me across nearly whole Bordermap just to get an expected “EPIC EASY WIN HAhahahaha!”. I LMAO a lot when they get downed
And in zerg fights or spvp, yep, they rush on me… so it’s not because of my name?

First off Rangers are in a good place now. In pve aswell in pvp.

I agree that there are a lot of bad players who just don’t know how to play. I’ve met only like 2 or three good ranger opponents in sPvP the last 3 months. All the others are glassy and don’t know how to defend themself and get shot in 10 sec or less. This also goes for a lot of thieves btw.

I find myself only downed when I meet a great player in sPvP. Otherwise I can easely down two against one or at least get the hell out of there. I find myself never at max range and always engaged in the fight besides my teammates providing resses, stomps, buffs etc.. Also pick a fight you can win. I’ve seen so many rangers start ranging at a group, get controlled and downed in 10 sec or less.

Imo most rangers take the meta or a great build but dont know how to play them. But the interwebs says I have to use this… My advise is to find a playstyle you enjoy and create a build around that style. You would do so much better.

For example the community says you HAVE to use the s/a lb combo. I play much better with gs/lb because I like the greatsword better.

It’s just that people don’t really have the knowledge about the game.

The last time I saw a PvE meta ranger was 2 months ago in a fractal.
The last time I saw an sPvP meta ranger was … A month ago? (No, GlassBow is not the meta. That build has just so many weak spots that there’s no way that a maths guy like me could ever accept it as “the best available”)

But I constantly see that one and only GlassBow selfish build that players started to play. Because it’s comfortable. Not effective, not useful, and not mechanically geared (not more than any other class in the game)…
But it’s comfortable because people usually won’t follow you 3 floors up.

The thing is always about “what can one play best” in terms of results. If a ranger is a master of Shortbow + Longbow – and can beat 1v2 with that – I have no problems with that.
But if the player sticks out the most useless build I can think of pretending to be wannabe pro – and this player is actually 9 out of 10 – than the class as such will stay classified as “bad and useless”.
But the problem is not the mechanics or power. Neither the potential.
It’s the human factor.

It’s because Ranger is still one of the weakest classes and is easily countered in pvp by pretty much any other class when played well.

Sube Dai.8496:

Most of them are bad. When I see another ranger on my team in PvP I’m disappointed.

Try a decent one in WvW… PvP has been pretty destroyed for a long while.

Warrior is now my go to for pvp and wvw is my Ranger.

vespers.1759:

It’s because Ranger is still one of the weakest classes and is easily countered in pvp by pretty much any other class when played well.

Without trinkets and boons, we are about as much burnt toast as it can get.

Tragic Positive.9356:

I’ve been playing this game (ranger most of the time, 91% sPvP games played) for over 2 years, now.
And statistically around 8-9 rangers out of 10 I played with were horrible. PvE wise I’ve seen 2 good rangers out of all the hundreds I’ve met, so far.

If you see my name beside the numbers, you can assume that I made the maths behind it.

Remember we queued in on the same team three times in a row and won all three matches flawlessly a couple of weeks ago, so I reckon I’m 1 out of 10 ;-) Felicia, if that name rings a bell.

I cringe everytime I’m teamed up with another ranger, the obvious reason being that most of them don’t even seem to know half of what the class can do and more importantly should do. That goes for both pve and pvp.

I always love people saying all rangers are bad. They always get surprised once they get stomped by a power ranger on a node.

Lazze.9870:

Tragic Positive.9356:

I’ve been playing this game (ranger most of the time, 91% sPvP games played) for over 2 years, now.
And statistically around 8-9 rangers out of 10 I played with were horrible. PvE wise I’ve seen 2 good rangers out of all the hundreds I’ve met, so far.

If you see my name beside the numbers, you can assume that I made the maths behind it.

Remember we queued in on the same team three times in a row and won all three matches flawlessly a couple of weeks ago, so I reckon I’m 1 out of 10 ;-) Felicia, if that name rings a bell.

I cringe everytime I’m teamed up with another ranger, the obvious reason being that most of them don’t even seem to know half of what the class can do and more importantly should do. That goes for both pve and pvp.

Yep, that would be correct. That is the one of the few names that does indeed ring the bells =)

oh please.
the elitism in here is strong.
I’m average at best and I play against other average players and I manage just fine and so do a lot of other rangers.
And all that 10 seconds or less talk is bullkitten.
Most powerrangers use signet of stone and that lasts for 6 seconds.
After that you go invis or use the GS block for another 3 seconds or something.
And you can probably dodge twice for another 3 seconds.
Oh and did I mention lightning reflexes?
You have that too.
Thats like 15 to 16 seconds of being untouchable as a powerranger.

pfanne.9783:

oh please.
the elitism in here is strong.
I’m average at best and I play against other average players and I manage just fine and so do a lot of other rangers.
And all that 10 seconds or less talk is bullkitten.
Most powerrangers use signet of stone and that lasts for 6 seconds.
After that you go invis or use the GS block for another 3 seconds or something.
And you can probably dodge twice for another 3 seconds.
Oh and did I mention lightning reflexes?
You have that too.
Thats like 15 to 16 seconds of being untouchable as a powerranger.

While dealing zero damage for the whole duration. ~ check
While still dying to any condi pressure builds in the process. ~ check

Want to compare that Ranger to an Engie who will bomb 2-4 people with nothing but turrets, while not even being there? And if he is there – he will simply decap the point regardless of the enemy holding it or not. Ranger would have to go into melee range for that – and guess what – that’s his weakest position.

Take your time and count up the Ele’s immortality duration. And pair it with their sustain and healing uptime. That is also AoE. And has reflects. And more CC. And stuff.

I’d also like to mention that your exaggeration with the “untouchable” duration will be:
6sec signet (direct damage only – keep in mind that cele is the meta)
3sec block (melee damage only – if you intend to hold GS at 1000+ range – then something’s wrong. If you hold it for melee range – it’s more like an Aegis)
3/4 second Lightning Reflexes.
Every single class has dodge in this game. Do not overestimate the mechanics that much. You can, however, say that a Ranger will have 1 bonus dodge roll every 10 seconds. (which is another bonus 3/4).

Which means I somehow made your 16 seconds of immortality a 1,5sec evade, an Aegis and 6sec Direct Damage mitigation in practice. The 3 second stealth is not an immortality. The meta classes that do not need targeting since most of their damage is AoE or Cleave will hit you anyways. And it won’t cleanse the conditions, either.

If a Power Ranger makes it to the tournament it doesn’t mean that the build is the most powerful version available – that means the player deserves a medal. It means nothing more than a master of dagger was able to kill the master of the sword. Simple and complex as that.

I’m not saying powerranger is the best build in the universe and works great in the very competitive scene, but those claims of “I kill all rangers in less then 9 seconds ’cause they all noobz and the build sucks” are BS. As a powerranger you have quite a few tools to keep people off you for a bit.

pfanne.9783:

I’m not saying powerranger is the best build in the universe and works great in the very competitive scene, but those claims of “I kill all rangers in less then 9 seconds ’cause they all noobz and the build sucks” are BS. As a powerranger you have quite a few tools to keep people off you for a bit.

Try to not get stuff in the forums too personally. You won’t change the minds of these guys until you prove them wrong. As long as you are having fun and having success playing this game it doesn’t matter what build you play.

Some builds perform better than others at specific things and I do think a good power ranger brings more to the table compared to a good condi ranger.

I am at a level where I can beat the best cele engis, shoutbows and even d/d eles in NA on power ranger. If only I had the time to make a team for tournaments.

Skullface.7293:

Try to not get stuff in the forums too personally. You won’t change the minds of these guys until you prove them wrong. As long as you are having fun and having success playing this game it doesn’t matter what build you play.

Some builds perform better than others at specific things and I do think a good power ranger brings more to the table compared to a good condi ranger. I am at a level where I can beat the best cele engis, shoutbows and even d/d eles in NA on power ranger.

Mostly this.
If a Power Ranger is the best a person can play – than everything’s fine.
But as I already said – that’s super rare. I played it for a few weeks myself, and found out that even if I can kill someone – I can kill someone even with other builds that do not die by breathing the air and can contribute to objectives as Revives, CC, AoE damage pressure and such. And I do not lose points by doing so (you are forced to leave the point if a serious contestant comes for you – which is his goal)

Yes, even a Power Ranger can contribute on the point … But can do that worse than anyone else in the game. Hence “he is bad at it” = brings less than others.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Skullface.7293:

Try to not get stuff in the forums too personally. You won’t change the minds of these guys until you prove them wrong. As long as you are having fun and having success playing this game it doesn’t matter what build you play.

Some builds perform better than others at specific things and I do think a good power ranger brings more to the table compared to a good condi ranger. I am at a level where I can beat the best cele engis, shoutbows and even d/d eles in NA on power ranger.

Mostly this.
If a Power Ranger is the best a person can play – than everything’s fine.
But as I already said – that’s super rare. I played it for a few weeks myself, and found out that even if I can kill someone – I can kill someone even with other builds that do not die by breathing the air and can contribute to objectives as Revives, CC, AoE damage pressure and such. And I do not lose points by doing so (you are forced to leave the point if a serious contestant comes for you – which is his goal)

Yes, even a Power Ranger can contribute on the point … But can do that worse than anyone else in the game. Hence “he is bad at it” = brings less than others.

This seems to be a bit off topic from the overall view of rangers and more specific to longbow rangers in pvp. As far as playing longbow in pvp goes, I don’t have a problem killing people 1v1 or fighting on point. The problem is a thief or mesmer can out rotate a ranger and strip boons from cele players. They are just better equipped for the game mode.

As for the general view of rangers in pvp, people see them as easy wins as soon as they get focused because the majority of players are bad (all classes) and these bad rangers camp longbow while their opponent slaughters them in melee range.

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.

Puck.9612:

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.

I have to agree on this, Puck.
But you see, the average and above average players are usually grouped in forums. Which leaves all the players like Darkness in game. And that means the “ranger=bad” is a thing.

But it’s not like Rangers are not viable or do not have the mechanics. They do. But they are not held on Power Longbow ranger.
For example, I use my longbow for not even a power but a hybrid build. It offers just amazing amount of utility. The knockback is a game changer for decapping points on a short cooldown. The AoE cripple is also a thing.
But I do not use Longbow for dealing damage. That’s my other weapon set.

Also, the support Spirit Ranger is an amazing tool to have as well. The AoE protection, the bonus burning uptime on enemy targets, occasional root and blinds. The AoE condi cleanse. All while having noticeable condi pressure.
Did I mention you heal a lot and can rally your teammates (including yourself) sometimes even 3 times?

That’s all powerful stuff when you learn how, when and where to use it. But that requires skill. It’s a different skill-requirement that is not the same as ele that has to combo the abilities and track the cooldown through 4 magic sets.

Just give them trophies for participating. That seems to solve everything ;-)

Ranger has its pros and cons. Currently, the meta doesn’t seem to believe the Pros outweigh the cons enough to bring Rangers in every top-level sPvP team … unlike some other classes that are usually doubled up on :-/ People will continue to ignore this as many of them aren’t aware and just see two feet in front of them right here; right now.

People will always complain. A warrior complained every match I was in about Longbow rangers … I had a shortbow/axe+torch and he still complained. Sore losers exist.

You simply need to ignore these things from people.

You can’t fix stupid.
You can’t fix ignorance.
It’s up to that person to fix their self.
If they refuse to, there is a handy /block feature if you get tired of seeing their chat.

I’ve lost count of the number of these threads I’ve seen … and I’ve been aware for a year so can only imagine how many I missed in that time.

Heck, before longbows got buffed, people complained about condition beastmaster rangers.

People complain when beat. It’s easier for them than self reflection, learning, adapting, etc. … though less fruitful than hitting yourself with a 2×4.

Puck.9612:

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.

So you are the most skilled ranger in the game?? Uhhh we have a VIP here.
I can’ t immagine how many times you died playing your ranger.
Ranger is totally broken and that’ s why people complain about it every day on the forums since day 1. Rangers simply plays without F skills and pets are ultra kitten and slow. They can ’ t land even one single Hit.
Ehy you White knight Do you want to deny that???
Moreover you should read thief forums and what they do think about rangers…and ask yourself why
Enjoy your ranger and enjoy getting stomped by every single class in this game.

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

Actually…Ranger has 4 survival skills… ;D

Darkness.9732:

Puck.9612:

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.

So you are the most skilled ranger in the game?? Uhhh we have a VIP here.
I can’ t immagine how many times you died playing your ranger.
Ranger is totally broken and that’ s why people complain about it every day on the forums since day 1. Rangers simply plays without F skills and pets are ultra kitten and slow. They can ’ t land even one single Hit.
Ehy you White knight Do you want to deny that???
Moreover you should read thief forums and what they do think about rangers…and ask yourself why
Enjoy your ranger and enjoy getting stomped by every single class in this game.

He didn’t say anything about being the most skilled ranger in the game. You are imposing that. While it sure has a host of issues, sure, Ranger is actually more balanced that you may believe. Personally, I do enjoy my Ranger and I’m the one who does the stomping…

(except against mesmers…can’t stand mesmers)

Darkness.9732:

Puck.9612:

Darkness.9732:

RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )

You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.

So you are the most skilled ranger in the game?? Uhhh we have a VIP here.
I can’ t immagine how many times you died playing your ranger.
Ranger is totally broken and that’ s why people complain about it every day on the forums since day 1. Rangers simply plays without F skills and pets are ultra kitten and slow. They can ’ t land even one single Hit.
Ehy you White knight Do you want to deny that???
Moreover you should read thief forums and what they do think about rangers…and ask yourself why
Enjoy your ranger and enjoy getting stomped by every single class in this game.

I read the thief forum plenty. I get a good kick out of all the crying about Longbow being OP, sic ‘em being OP, rapid fire tracking through stealth OP, range OP, etc.
It’s full of players that cry about things being too difficult instead of working on improving their personal skill. I’m sure you fit in perfectly .

We were just talking about Ranger in WvW last night. One engineer’s take was this:

“If I can get them in the ruins or some place where I can break LOS, I can take a longbow ranger, but if they catch me out in the open I’m in trouble”.

The problems Ranger suffers from largely revolve around the pet, this is true. It is why Rangers generally do better in skirmishers than in big zergs … just like Mesmers … different mechanic … same bad scaling to large engagements for that mechanic.

Darkness, if you will stick to discussing points/facts, I would take your posts more seriously. As it is, I’m just seeing you attack people which just is just “not cool” … and pointless.

• As it is … everyone does not know Ranger is bad.
• Ranger is not always the first target to die.
• Rangers have more than 0 survival skills … look at other classes complain about the duration of Signet of Stone.
• I see no list of what the Devs play … please show it to me.

Darkness.9732:

Enjoy your ranger and enjoy getting stomped by every single class in this game.

This made me laugh so hard.