Guild Wars 2

For a little bit I was really really looking forward to posting a dragonhunter. Then I went onto my ranger again and played for a while. I feel everything dragonhunter can do the ranger can do better, and more easily. Plus we have a pet on top of it taking all agro for us in pve. Is anyone here thinking dragonhunter will be better then the ranger as is already? If so why?

Group support.

Otherwise I think the ranger has it in regards to ranged DPS. I doubt the DH damage will be comparable.

Sylent.3165:

For a little bit I was really really looking forward to posting a dragonhunter. Then I went onto my ranger again and played for a while. I feel everything dragonhunter can do the ranger can do better, and more easily. Plus we have a pet on top of it taking all agro for us in pve. Is anyone here thinking dragonhunter will be better then the ranger as is already? If so why?

We don’t even know the damage coefficient yet and you’re already saying ranger can do better.

From what I see, DH has better snare than LB (barrage is a very bad snaring tool), it has more spammable burst(again, we don’t know the damage coefficient yet), a range projectile destruction that ranger lacks, a short cd aoe field ranger lacks also (Quick Hand may fix this btw), and a much stronger version of Barrage.

Also, DH’s traps seem more powerful than ranger’s trap when in a larger group fight, like blade trap can trigger on infinite targets for 1~2k of damage per travel through, and can chip down zerg’s hp quite effectively. The reveal trap is also a 10 sec area denial that thief or anyone wouldn’t want to stand on it.

If it means they aren’t using S/F then I’m happy.

Toxsa.2701:

Sylent.3165:

For a little bit I was really really looking forward to posting a dragonhunter. Then I went onto my ranger again and played for a while. I feel everything dragonhunter can do the ranger can do better, and more easily. Plus we have a pet on top of it taking all agro for us in pve. Is anyone here thinking dragonhunter will be better then the ranger as is already? If so why?

We don’t even know the damage coefficient yet and you’re already saying ranger can do better.

From what I see, DH has better snare than LB (barrage is a very bad snaring tool), it has more spammable burst(again, we don’t know the damage coefficient yet), a range projectile destruction that ranger lacks, a short cd aoe field ranger lacks also (Quick Hand may fix this btw), and a much stronger version of Barrage.

Also, DH’s traps seem more powerful than ranger’s trap when in a larger group fight, like blade trap can trigger on infinite targets for 1~2k of damage per travel through, and can chip down zerg’s hp quite effectively. The reveal trap is also a 10 sec area denial that thief or anyone wouldn’t want to stand on it.

Conversely, DH isn’t out yet and you’re already arguing it might be better than dedicated ranger DPS. You’re both wrong. The correct answer is we don’t know.

Opinions and theories one way or another is just chitter-chatter until we get some hard numbers. So that said, here’s mine.

I think guardians and rangers are gonna be inverse of the other. DH by itself won’t outshine a dedicated ranger (non-druid) in ranged DPS and utillity.

I think the druid is going to give up a little of that ranged DPS edge (one of the specialization lines) for some hard heavy support and a different kind of utility, like a guardian might provide.

Stealth sharing, party buffing, healing, nature themed tomfoolery… while still being a relatively durable guerrilla warfare character.

I think druids will be stealthy characters in a support capacity. I don’t think we’ve seen the end of traits like Hide in Plain Sight for our class.

Illuminati confirmed, steel beams, etc.

I feel as if the Ranger got a major buff in regard to pets in this patch. The BM line is just so good now that it is hard to justify passing it over in both power and condition builds. The only unknown are the spirits.

But that BM line, so good…

I was a little at first, but after seeing the ranger traits, not too worried – LB power rangers are going to be beastly (I used that as comparison for DH).

Well I rolled a guard straight after they announced it :P

I’m not a huge fan of guard though, so unless it plays drastically different I prob wont make it my main.

CETheLucid.3964:

Toxsa.2701:

Sylent.3165:

For a little bit I was really really looking forward to posting a dragonhunter. Then I went onto my ranger again and played for a while. I feel everything dragonhunter can do the ranger can do better, and more easily. Plus we have a pet on top of it taking all agro for us in pve. Is anyone here thinking dragonhunter will be better then the ranger as is already? If so why?

We don’t even know the damage coefficient yet and you’re already saying ranger can do better.

From what I see, DH has better snare than LB (barrage is a very bad snaring tool), it has more spammable burst(again, we don’t know the damage coefficient yet), a range projectile destruction that ranger lacks, a short cd aoe field ranger lacks also (Quick Hand may fix this btw), and a much stronger version of Barrage.

Also, DH’s traps seem more powerful than ranger’s trap when in a larger group fight, like blade trap can trigger on infinite targets for 1~2k of damage per travel through, and can chip down zerg’s hp quite effectively. The reveal trap is also a 10 sec area denial that thief or anyone wouldn’t want to stand on it.

Conversely, DH isn’t out yet and you’re already arguing it might be better than dedicated ranger DPS. You’re both wrong. The correct answer is we don’t know.

Opinions and theories one way or another is just chitter-chatter until we get some hard numbers. So that said, here’s mine.

I think guardians and rangers are gonna be inverse of the other. DH by itself won’t outshine a dedicated ranger (non-druid) in ranged DPS and utillity.

I think the druid is going to give up a little of that ranged DPS edge (one of the specialization lines) for some hard heavy support and a different kind of utility, like a guardian might provide.

Stealth sharing, party buffing, healing, nature themed tomfoolery… while still being a relatively durable guerrilla warfare character.

I think druids will be stealthy characters in a support capacity. I don’t think we’ve seen the end of traits like Hide in Plain Sight for our class.

Illuminati confirmed, steel beams, etc.

Yet you are speculating on what druids will have. We have seen what DH are getting and comparing it to what we posses now.

Do I fear Dh now no, but that’s not to say that I wouldn’t be more cautious when dealing with them. Traps will be an issue for some of the other classes, but for us rangers our pet will take one for the team.

Its not all about dps Guardians have so many passive and semi-passive defense skill that sheer dps wont be the deciding factor.

Critical thinkers will see the issues before they happen and possible solution in the works when they arise.

Not really but I can imagine it being very difficult to beat them in a 1v1 with a longbow given that they can destroy most rapid fires with a weapon skill and you’d probably be unable to use any pet exept a ranged one and stay well clear of it to avoid being permacrippled not that that would be a big problem I guess since spiders are already very good.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Do I fear Dh now no, but that’s not to say that I wouldn’t be more cautious when dealing with them. Traps will be an issue for some of the other classes, but for us rangers our pet will take one for the team.

I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t recall pets ever being able to trigger traps.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Yet you are speculating on what druids will have. We have seen what DH are getting and comparing it to what we posses now.

CETheLucid.3964:

Opinions and theories one way or another is just chitter-chatter until we get some hard numbers. So that said, here’s mine.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Critical thinkers will see the issues before they happen and possible solution in the works when they arise.

Critical thinking requires understanding of the situation based on hard data that we don’t have.

At the moment any “critical thinking” on the topic is BS and theory craft based on ones opinions, informed or otherwise. Mine and yours included.

Sorry to break that to you. Feel free to share your impressions and thoughts. I did. That can have it’s place in conversation, but don’t pretend it’s anything more than that.

Don’t insult critical thinkers by comparing that process to your own biases and theory chitter-chatter based on literally nothing.

Don’t know how you can say we know nothing about the DH. We have seen the live stream and watched the DH vs a shoutbow warrior.

Critical thinking isn’t just about raw data it’s how you processes it and also how one perceives a situation. its definitely not a wait and see attitude.

My point was we have no information on Druid except they will exist and they will be able to use a staff. However their is a common theme of what specialization have brought to each of their classes based on what they were lacking. For the Druid this could be a great number of things. Speculating on what they will bring to the table is a thousand time more likely to be pure fantasy than anything said about DH.

Watching the pre-recorded duels from the livestream grouch did, the DH longbow seemed extremely prone to being sidestepped and overall difficult to put out reliable damage with against an aware opponent.

So no, not really even making any sort of potential threat list fot me.

Quarktastic.1027:

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Do I fear Dh now no, but that’s not to say that I wouldn’t be more cautious when dealing with them. Traps will be an issue for some of the other classes, but for us rangers our pet will take one for the team.

I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t recall pets ever being able to trigger traps.

If you are in combat your pet will trigger traps. I’m not to sure about if you are out of combat, if this is different then this is where the confusion is.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

Don’t know how you can say we know nothing about the DH. We have seen the live stream and watched the DH vs a shoutbow warrior.

Critical thinking isn’t just about raw data it’s how you processes it and also how one perceives a situation. its definitely not a wait and see attitude.

My point was we have no information on Druid except they will exist and they will be able to use a staff. However their is a common theme of what specialization have brought to each of their classes based on what they were lacking. For the Druid this could be a great number of things. Speculating on what they will bring to the table is a thousand time more likely to be pure fantasy than anything said about DH.

You probably don’t even realize how much of a hypocrite you’ve made yourself out to be with this in regards to your signature.

How are you going to tell me we know anything reliable on the DH based on a reveal demonstration with no real data points beyond preliminary traits and numbers for a test server public reveal event…

And then turn around and say how what you’re trying to say is that we know nothing about the druid based on a character reveal? Seriously man?

Even if you want to argue that the DH reveal is absolutely certain tru facts, no changes from then till release, and something more than what we have on druid (lol)…

Sure, alright.

We have nothing on druid. It is as you have said. So… how are you going to critically compare the two with only half the equation?

Such a “critical assessment” is worthless. It’s theory. Chitter-chatter based on nothing certain.

You’re half-loaded at best and jammed at worst.

Impressions and theories are fine. Please do share your thoughts and concerns. But don’t pretend you have proofs and facts that you do not have to lend empirical support to what you want to say.

K?

You cannot critically think something without all the informations. One overlooked information can change your whole view of the concept.

So, I don’t have an opinion on the DH. It may be powerful on paper but it may be also ultra bad in practice (a bit like sword for some of you).

Manekk.6981:

Not really but I can imagine it being very difficult to beat them in a 1v1 with a longbow given that they can destroy most rapid fires with a weapon skill and you’d probably be unable to use any pet exept a ranged one and stay well clear of it to avoid being permacrippled not that that would be a big problem I guess since spiders are already very good.

Spiders are about to become really good because of the additional power and crit chance. They’ll have almost 40% crit chance now! Refined Toxins, Sharpened Edges and Companion’s Might are viable choices for Spiders imo.

As long as you can still CC them, DH will not be any harder than anyone else with a LB. Remember that projectile skill must be directed by them too, its not just fire and forget.

GLORY TO THE PET! Beastmasters place as Top guns DPS is now assured for the future!

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Manekk.6981:

Not really but I can imagine it being very difficult to beat them in a 1v1 with a longbow given that they can destroy most rapid fires with a weapon skill and you’d probably be unable to use any pet exept a ranged one and stay well clear of it to avoid being permacrippled not that that would be a big problem I guess since spiders are already very good.

Spiders are about to become really good because of the additional power and crit chance. They’ll have almost 40% crit chance now! Refined Toxins, Sharpened Edges and Companion’s Might are viable choices for Spiders imo.

As long as you can still CC them, DH will not be any harder than anyone else with a LB. Remember that projectile skill must be directed by them too, its not just fire and forget.

I haven’t seen much of the DH, doesn’t the “projectile smasher projectile” (I don’t remember what it’s called) fire towards target? if so it’s much weaker than I thought first.

I have a fear of everything, especially dragonhunters because it combines the two, dragons and hunters so it’s causing double amount of fear.

Manekk.6981:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Manekk.6981:

Not really but I can imagine it being very difficult to beat them in a 1v1 with a longbow given that they can destroy most rapid fires with a weapon skill and you’d probably be unable to use any pet exept a ranged one and stay well clear of it to avoid being permacrippled not that that would be a big problem I guess since spiders are already very good.

Spiders are about to become really good because of the additional power and crit chance. They’ll have almost 40% crit chance now! Refined Toxins, Sharpened Edges and Companion’s Might are viable choices for Spiders imo.

As long as you can still CC them, DH will not be any harder than anyone else with a LB. Remember that projectile skill must be directed by them too, its not just fire and forget.

I haven’t seen much of the DH, doesn’t the “projectile smasher projectile” (I don’t remember what it’s called) fire towards target? if so it’s much weaker than I thought first.

You have to actually aim with the mouse, like a ground targeted directional (ala Whirlwind Attack or Fiery Whirl) it is not fired directly at your target.

Meaning, it will almost be useless against a strafing Ranger at range.

Can be seen here.