Guild Wars 2

i should mention i hate the class before this i hated the thief and i dont want to create a character of that class. maybe later after my rage has gone.

yes i need tips on how to deal with glass mesmers, i have glass ranger its the only one i want to play with… so anyway they have this new skill that reflect projectiles and it seem like it recharges very fast. they pop it, that mean i just wasted my skill, they go invisible, then use a skill that drains my health to less than 50% and if i didn’t stop attacking when they used the reflect skill the second attack just instantly downs me. so basically one hit and im dead, now i can use my signet of stone but then the mesmer just waits invisibly like way longer than the thief. and i just stand there looking like an idiot waiting for my death.

the mesmers got so ballsy after the update that they are now the new thieves, i mean they just come and hang around our spawn point and just kill every one that comes out. when they kill enough to outnumber them the use their invisibility and and wait till everything cools down then they come back.

i have taken it upon my self to deal with them. with a ranger. but it seems like the last update was specifically designed to make sure mesmers are immune to rangers. just like the update before that seemed like it was designed so ranger were immune to thieves.

Ya its funny, rangers got realy good vs thievs but now we have mesmers to worry about. Atleast their mobility is bad, we can always run away.

First, you need to accept a few things, and these won’t be easy pills to swallow.

You must be willing to accept that you have to fight fire with fire. You should be going full glass as well. LB/GS with an appropriate build is adequate.

Secondly, accept that it is impossible to defeat a Mesmer in a fair 1v1 fight. You will never win by standing your ground. As soon as they go into stealth, you should be running away and retreating. Every SECOND they are in stealth they are gaining boons. Before you know it, they pop out of stealth with 20+ stacks of might and down you in two seconds flat. You will not win.

Your best bet is to hope they’re stupid and engage you with no stealth at all. Use a stealth reveal trap in WvW or gang up on them with two or more players. Leave nothing to chance.

Try using Sic ’Em before they stealth and burst them down as fast as possible, you only have 6 seconds. That still might not work.

If all else fails, pray to your God every night before bed the developers fix this issue and/or stop PvP’ing against mesmers.

This is exactly as I predicted. Some posters owe me an apology.

Totally feel your pain with Mesmers. To be honest there is very little you can do, there are things that help but they really wont make much of a difference…

You can use gs 4 to block shatters… however if they daze you then throw their clones/shatter your a sitting duck regardless.

You could get more toughness/hp… but really that class is not struggling to take tanks down even. I have 24.4k in wvw yet they seem excel at blowing my ranger up.

For condi Mesmer the wilderness knowledge trait is amazing for the condi clear and often you can combine it with mobility to OC while your pet keeps them in combat.

Really the only thing you can do is hope you get a lucky pull with path of scars, or rapid fire that follows while they go invis and burst them down before they can do the same to you. Aside from that avoidance is your best bet. sword+x / greatsword is a great set to escape from them with mobility.

I really hope Anet reconsiders either their damage/stealth. make stealth disable item a use able tool or give us other options to deal with the issue.

Additionally something needs to be done about Mesmer detonation, there is absolutely no counter play of any sort to 5 Mesmer all looking the same, poping out from stealth and detonating on you. I’m seeing it more and more as every day passes.

DaShi.1368:

This is exactly as I predicted. Some posters owe me an apology.

Why?

I have trouble with condi mesmers. Their stuff keeps bouncing between me and my pet and I can’t do much about it. I just accept the fact they hard counter rangers.

Sic ’em with a drake!

They’ll be prevented from stealthing and the drake’s cleaving will take down clones they stand next to.

I think the worst is that it’s not even the reflect (wich they now have several sources of) they don’t need it, they can still blast you from 100-0 in 1 second from stealth and they have endless stealth now aswell who the hell came up with the idea to buff PU?? lol they had too much stealth before.

The worst is yet to come.

Wait until the Chronomancer is released.

If nothing changes in the meantime, WvW will be deserted. Maybe that’s why the new WvW map has the desert theme. “Sweeping for mesmers” will be an exersise in futility.

Lol yup, first time I read about Chronomancer I nearly gagged with how stupidly OP the skills sound. I might just do the one thing I swore I’d never do and reroll Mesmer.

I watched a good ranger beat a good mesmer with his melee build time and time again yesterday. And the ranger was using just a melee build, no hiding from far with LB.

aspirine.6852:

I watched a good ranger beat a good mesmer with his melee build time and time again yesterday. And the ranger was using just a melee build, no hiding from far with LB.

Actually melee ranger might be much superior to LB ranger in fighting Mesmers. Mesmers got very long deflect high time, melee rangers can do big spikes of damage, they are mostly tanky and can deflect mesmers attacks with off had axe. PU condi mesmers destroy everything including condi and melee rangers.

As someone who has mained a Mesmer since release I can say with 100% honesty…….run. Do not bother to fight them, do not think about, do not think you’re going to win….you cannot….if you’re a power ranger. This patch has done some amazing things for most classes but I can say power/shatter/interrupt Mesmers are the new king of the hill in terms of burst dps. Now I play a condi Mesmer which is just as lulz. 15 stacks of confusion and 10 stacks of tormet along with 5-8 stacks of bleeding 3-4 stacks of poison is just a death sentence if my rotation goes off correctly. Mesmer are unfortunately the king of the hill now. The only thing that stands a chance is a Condi Ranger and this is because Mesmer have kittenty condi removal.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

DaShi.1368:

This is exactly as I predicted. Some posters owe me an apology.

Why?

Several posters scolded me that rangers don’t go around asking for nerfs and just focus on improving their own class. They were quite specific on this. They used the fact that there was no recent nerf threads in the ranger forum. So a few days later, what should appear…. That and some very prominent ranger players going to other forums to beg for nerfs.

Range is your friend if you are a bow user.
Make sure you are attacking the correct target. Leave Sally, Molly, Jane, and Doe alone.
Traps help.

Those are the things I typically do and have some level of success even when I’m using SB.

DaShi.1368:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

DaShi.1368:

This is exactly as I predicted. Some posters owe me an apology.

Why?

Several posters scolded me that rangers don’t go around asking for nerfs and just focus on improving their own class. They were quite specific on this. They used the fact that there was no recent nerf threads in the ranger forum. So a few days later, what should appear…. That and some very prominent ranger players going to other forums to beg for nerfs.

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

Crapgame.6519:

Range is your friend if you are a bow user.
Make sure you are attacking the correct target. Leave Sally, Molly, Jane, and Doe alone.
Traps help.

Those are the things I typically do and have some level of success even when I’m using SB.

All well and good until the Mesmer hard counters you with traits and skills like these. Then obliterates you in 2s.

For me, mesmers are always a 50/50 when it comes to 1v1s, and I’m really used at fighting them on lb/gs. If they get their stealth up and you have nothing, then I would certainly recommend to run. Skirmishing line’s Quick Draw with Swoop is amazing at that.

As a Mesmer main for nearly 3 years now, I enjoy watching other classes squirm at our new found strength. Thanks ANET. For making the most glamorous/elegant class out of any MMORPG, much more powerful. Kisses

I’m sorry Rangers, that we are trouble for you, but we Mesmers have our own problems… freaking Elementalist…

Purecura.1795:

As a Mesmer main for nearly 3 years now, I enjoy watching other classes squirm at our new found strength. Thanks ANET. For making the most glamorous/elegant class out of any MMORPG, much more powerful. Kisses

I’m sorry Rangers, that we are trouble for you, but we Mesmers have our own problems… freaking Elementalist…

I don’t mind that Mesmer got buffed to the hilt, really, the class needed it because it was pretty terrible before. It does however annoy me that Ranger, another class in need of serious work, was left in the dust when if equal thought went into it, would be as good as Mesmer is now and there would be no need for QQ.

You can try running trapper runes. I run a zerker/assassins mix with trapper runes just for the stealth. Now that they fixed water field to work with the runes. You take water field and 2 short cd traps like flame and poison. You now have 3 on demand stealths and a 4th from your longbow plus one utility left of your choice. Keep stealthing around letting your pet stay on the real target and pew pew or stealth in for a bit gs combo. Stealth and swoop away to gain distance reset heal etc.

Pro tip the stealth duration stacks. So you can toss a trap for 3 secs then while stealthed toss another for 3 more etc for a super sneak attack or extened stealthed getaway.

Mesmers are definitely feeling it. I have never had so many up level, invader, raider etc coming at me from one class before. It is happening all the time now. I pull out my fly swapper and finish them and hope they don’t have a big brother-sister hanging around.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

I predicted that the ranger forum would soon have a nerf another profession thread in it, despite others claiming that the lack of one meant that rangers just focused on improving their profession.

As I said before, rangers should spend more time trying to address the actual problems with their profession than calling for nerfs on others.

DaShi.1368:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

I predicted that the ranger forum would soon have a nerf another profession thread in it, despite others claiming that the lack of one meant that rangers just focused on improving their profession.

As I said before, rangers should spend more time trying to address the actual problems with their profession than calling for nerfs on others.

Hardly a prediction mate, come on, be serious. That is as much a prediction as my predicting the sun will come up tomorrow.

If you take a look at the Ranger forum, it is FULL of ideas to address the actual problems with Ranger and all aspects of it. We have already solved every problem, multiple times. But nothing ever happens.

Mostly Rangers do not want nerfs to others, but buffs to ourselves so as to be competitive with them. Take a look at what Mesmer got this last patch, it pretty much hard counters the most popular Ranger build, which was not that awesome anyway. Power LB. Not only can the Ranger easily kill himself in a few seconds due to the multitude of reflects, but the Mesmer can shatter burst from stealth to kill him in seconds too.

When things like that happen and Ranger is still bad, ppl get angry.

ITT Bearbows upset that they can’t Bearbow.

You can nerf Mesmers into the ground but that won’t change the fact that the Ranger changes were pretty lackluster.

Anyway my advice is there are more trait lines then Marksmenship and Skirmish, there are more stat combos then Berserker and there are more weapons then longbow.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

DaShi.1368:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

I predicted that the ranger forum would soon have a nerf another profession thread in it, despite others claiming that the lack of one meant that rangers just focused on improving their profession.

As I said before, rangers should spend more time trying to address the actual problems with their profession than calling for nerfs on others.

Hardly a prediction mate, come on, be serious. That is as much a prediction as my predicting the sun will come up tomorrow.

If you take a look at the Ranger forum, it is FULL of ideas to address the actual problems with Ranger and all aspects of it. We have already solved every problem, multiple times. But nothing ever happens.

Mostly Rangers do not want nerfs to others, but buffs to ourselves so as to be competitive with them. Take a look at what Mesmer got this last patch, it pretty much hard counters the most popular Ranger build, which was not that awesome anyway. Power LB. Not only can the Ranger easily kill himself in a few seconds due to the multitude of reflects, but the Mesmer can shatter burst from stealth to kill him in seconds too.

When things like that happen and Ranger is still bad, ppl get angry.

A prediction is a prediction. And the examples here speak for themselves. No other profession forum has a thread dedicating to getting another class nerfed. Not only was I right, but I was attacked by ranger players for it.

Rangers should focus more on improving their own class than trying to antagonize all the others.

DaShi.1368:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

How is it that you predicted this? Selkittennowledgement of Mesmers OP status?

I predicted that the ranger forum would soon have a nerf another profession thread in it, despite others claiming that the lack of one meant that rangers just focused on improving their profession.

As I said before, rangers should spend more time trying to address the actual problems with their profession than calling for nerfs on others.

Right – but everyone and their grandmother knows the state of Mesmers right now. There is no trying to hide it. The patch put them in their own league so let us not try to put our heads in the sand like an ostrich and pretend it doesn’t exist.

I thought this was the ranger forum. Sorry, that must be the Heart of Thorns, PvP, or GW2 General Discussion forum.

DaShi.1368:

I thought this was the ranger forum. Sorry, that must be the Heart of Thorns, PvP, or GW2 General Discussion forum.

Yup, just completely ignore…

If you take a look at the Ranger forum, it is FULL of ideas to address the actual problems with Ranger and all aspects of it. We have already solved every problem, multiple times. But nothing ever happens.

Mostly Rangers do not want nerfs to others, but buffs to ourselves so as to be competitive with them. Take a look at what Mesmer got this last patch, it pretty much hard counters the most popular Ranger build, which was not that awesome anyway. Power LB. Not only can the Ranger easily kill himself in a few seconds due to the multitude of reflects, but the Mesmer can shatter burst from stealth to kill him in seconds too.

When things like that happen and Ranger is still bad, ppl get angry.

Honestly, get over yourself, ONE person made ONE post on this forum QQing about a class that was made OP as in the last patch. Hardly evidence of widespread Ranger QQing about other classes.

You’re just repeating yourself. It doesn’t change my point and your insults are entirely unnecessary. Feel free to ignore me, but don’t say you will and follow it up with nothing but personal attacks.

DaShi.1368:

You’re just repeating yourself. It doesn’t change my point and your insults are entirely unnecessary. Feel free to ignore me, but don’t say you will and follow it up with nothing but personal attacks.

I didn’t insult you personally.

You told me to get over myself. That is a clear personal insult. You also compared me to a monkey.

DaShi.1368:

You told me to get over myself. That is a clear personal insult. You also compared me to a monkey.

Telling someone to get over themselves is not an insult, it is a wake up call. It is, in fact, a favour because the person is clearly needing it due to an inflated ego.

I never compared you to a monkey. It would be the same as saying to someone, after they did something utterly plain, that they shouldn’t get too excited because literally anything could do that. If you took it as an insult, well, don’t be too sensitive. I’ll remove that.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

DaShi.1368:

You told me to get over myself. That is a clear personal insult. You also compared me to a monkey.

Telling someone to get over themselves is not an insult, it is a wake up call. It is, in fact, a favour because the person is clearly needing it due to an inflated ego.

This is an insult. It’s no different than calling someone stupid and then asking them to thank you for it.

You are wrong and are personally attacking me because of it.