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so u can technically use lb with the lightning spirit and 6s daze someone, followed by undefendable damage. goodbye thieves and necros.

FrownyClown.8402:

so u can technically use lb with the lightning spirit and 6s daze someone, followed by undefendable damage. goodbye thieves and necros.

Elaborate these none-sense you’re spreading please.

Daze occurs on destroying spirit in small radius around it. And it doesn’t move.
Passive grants Swiftness.

Good luck catching aware people in that

Actually I’m fairly dissapointed by the changes so far.

Better then live but worse then what we were last shown.

max condi ranger, 230 a stack bleeds, 150 a stack poison, just going to be everywhere, 400 burns. Condi ranger just got super deadly…

Plus the spirit is dead after this attempt, imo making the newest ranger cheese build. Pull it off and you wreck someone or miss it and lose a utility slot. Spirits have been so underused you might catch someone in the first week and then never again because it’ll be really obvious when you’re setting it up imo.

quickening zephyr now gives super speed instead of -50% damage. def a worthy survival skill now. I see you guys having a hard time with eles now since fresh air was buffed and one with air will give them 3s superspeed. goodbye gaps or goodbye slow players.

So they didn’t even bother touching the worthless utilities that are shouts lol.

The spirits are now stationary, and the active effects kill them and are pretty much trash for PvE. 3 second chill, why would I destroy a 7% damage boost for that, or burning for a mere 8 second blind that a thief can apply far more cheaply with black powder.

And still pets and spirits will continue to be dead on arrival on large engagements in WvW and in dungeons for PvE. No changes to AoE affecting pets.

The good thing is they removed a lot of the really bad minors and traits.

But most of these traits are not that great in PvE. Skirmishing in particular, why would you want a trait that makes you lose steady focus bonus and gain half the effect for it.

No change to bad weapons either. Mainhand axe will still have a terrible autoattack damage and it will be a worse weapon as it’s a hybrid weapon and hybrid builds have been nerfed by nerfing baseline condition damage so now you have to stack condition damage. Nobody will use shortbow either. The longbow is a far superior ranged weapon.

Strider’s Defense won’t ever be used. 25% projectile destruction on melee is unreliable, people don’t want unreliable. And 20% cd reduction on sword only affects a whopping 2 skills, since sword has an autoattack with no cooldown and only 2 skills that you don’t even use as part of a damage rotation.

Most pet families will still be bad (moas still pretty bad). Most pets will still not cleave and be AoE fodder.

Ranged pets still have a 900 range for some reason and won’t smartly pathe so they can’t shoot down fort walls or up at opponents on fort walls.

Mainhand sword is still not fixed with the animation lock handicap (it is a handicap, talk about workarounds all you want but the animation lock delay for dodging purposes does not go away, you either delay your autoattack chain to preemptively dodge, lowering your damage, or you use the autoattack chain and hope you don’t get unlucky with boss attack timings).

Compared to ele and warrior the ranger gained less offensively, in fact the 10% extra damage on flanks was converted to crit, decreasing its value. Probably the ranger will continue to be out of meta while thieves, ele, warriors and either mesmer/guardian are part of it.

Moment of Clarity is now in the longbow trait line, a trait that is mainly for shortbow or greatsword.

Additionally, shared anguish is the worst trait among all the professions. Necros inflict fear, warriors get stability, mesmers daze,Thieves get vigor with 30 cd and we transer the CC to the pet with 60 cd.

We now have condition damage, somday the pet may be able to do something

Can someone show me the link as to all these data you’re getting?
The stream is currently offline, sadly.

The stream broke right as they were getting onto Beast Mastery trait line.
The info is from there. They are currently hosting some random players.

Tragic Positive.9356:

The stream broke right as they were getting onto Beast Mastery trait line.
The info is from there. They are currently hosting some random players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/39y6n9/ready_up_skills_and_balance_livestream_notes/

Found this list <3

I actually quite like some of the changes.
But clearly the choice is too obvious, that there’re many extremely weak traits in the same spot competing some very good traits…

Most Dangerous Game , GM from Skirmishing, GM from Wildness Survival probably are the worst offender.

Also nature magic seems stronger than expected, but with absolutely no cleanse, I doubt it can compete the new WS line.

The ranger lost several damage modifiers, it’s that simple. They also nerfed the 5% extra damage with a boon up and split it to however many boons you have on you, making you particularly dependent on your team to benefit because the ranger himself has poor access and uptime to a variety of boons. Ain’t no way you’re keeping 5 boons up at full uptime to make up for the damage lost.

I can see most likely it will be Marksman, Nature Magic, and Beastmastery for the average spec. Nature Magic can be switched a bit but both skirmishing and WS suck from a PvE damage perspective.

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

i didnt like the natures wrath change they changed the 10% power to 7% power + quickness 3 seconds at 50% health
its was a good trait for the rangers that used healing gear to have some extra damage but maybe its too early for conclusions
only reason i play ranger is because of beast master traits lets hope its viable

Actually seems ranger got nerfed again by ovepowering the other classes. Now even the engi and warrior get passive speed (+25%) while we still have to waste one utility skill for that.

Ltomato.8649:

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

It’s just dumb they moved spotter to skirmishing. It now means you have to take either Nature Magic or BM, which is dumb.

Fortifying Bond should be BASELINE. Why do we even need to trait for pets, which are a percentage of our damage, to benefit from boon application? It’s so ridiculous.

A lot of the BM new traits are good, if anything I’d say BM traits are some of the best changes.

Ltomato.8649:

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

Flanking has been changed form damage to crit chance now.

Zenith.7301:

Ltomato.8649:

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

It’s just dumb they moved spotter to skirmishing. It now means you have to take either Nature Magic or BM, which is dumb.

Fortifying Bond should be BASELINE. Why do we even need to trait for pets, which are a percentage of our damage, to benefit from boon application? It’s so ridiculous.

A lot of the BM new traits are good, if anything I’d say BM traits are some of the best changes.

We have yet to see BM trait line. Don’t trust the dulfy page, we have seen already the traits changed for worst

Levetty.1279:

Ltomato.8649:

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

Flanking has been changed form damage to crit chance now.

Yeah a lot of ppl here seems they trust the previous guesses in Dulfy. Guess what: we are screwed!!

anduriell.6280:

Zenith.7301:

Ltomato.8649:

You have to take Skirmishing for Spotter and the 10% flanking. Quick Draw is still a damage up, although it’s harder to calculate by how much, and it’s going to be annoying to use. Nature Magic > Beastmastery because Fortifying Bond is OP. It’s just down to whether you feel like microing for Remorseless or having consistent damage with Predator’s Onslaught.

It’s just dumb they moved spotter to skirmishing. It now means you have to take either Nature Magic or BM, which is dumb.

Fortifying Bond should be BASELINE. Why do we even need to trait for pets, which are a percentage of our damage, to benefit from boon application? It’s so ridiculous.

A lot of the BM new traits are good, if anything I’d say BM traits are some of the best changes.

We have yet to see BM trait line. Don’t trust the dulfy page, we have seen already the traits changed for worst

You can actually see the Beastmaster traits if you go to GW2s twitch and look at past broadcasts.

Levetty.1279:

You can actually see the Beastmaster traits if you go to GW2s twitch and look at past broadcasts.

Can’t find the page. Link please? They are not posted in Reddit either.

http://i.imgur.com/wkitAJV.jpg

Levetty.1279:

http://i.imgur.com/wkitAJV.jpg

Where is Speed Training?? What the point to improve F2 pets skills if we have a 40 secs CD?

Also this changes in the trait line although i don’t understand why i have to choose to improve my pet or improve my dps with Gs or Axes is not good enough compared to the other four classes we’ve seen.

The problem is not the changes are bad, because some of the changes were needed is that we are still the pariah of GW2 because Anet negate to improve the class in a meaningful way.

Warrior get massive boost in healing, cleanses, mobility… Engies have became the profession that do all kill all . The ele is going to be the fountain of youth that can shoot fireballs and is hard as the adamantium.

We just get as traits something that should be there already as base.

Pack Alpha has speed training built in.

Levetty.1279:

Flanking has been changed form damage to crit chance now.

I…. I don’t even….

Why?

Rangers didn’t have the best damage before, so CLEARLY the logical action is to nerf them? This makes no sense at all. The only justification I can see is them saying “Oh, well, skirmishing is the condition damage line now”. But even then, why couldn’t flanking give 10% to condition and direct damage? Or something that makes sense?

Other classes get power creep, Rangers get nerfed. I don’t understand why this is happening.

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

You know what is funny? The Ranger wont suck. The Ranger wont get absolutely demolished in PvP. The Ranger has still things going for it.

But the Ranger will be the worst class out there when it comes to damage as example.
You wont suck in PvE, because PvE is kindergarden mode. You wont suck in PvP because you can play better than others. But all those things are no excuses for the simple fact that the Ranger will come out as last. Each and every profession will get damage buffs, while we are losing 20% damage modifiers. Other classes get new mechanics while the Ranger gets mechanics stripped away. I don’t have to playtest this change to tell you that every other class will have more to bring to the table, while the Ranger gets some tweaks here and there.

Maybe the Druid will give us the utility or the damage we all have been missing. But the name alone lets me think that this wont be happening.

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

Post like these from blind Anet fans is why Anet doesn’t see anything wrong with how bad the balancing in this game is.

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

It is not about being meta and you know that already. But when no ranger is meta there is something objective yo can use to get a reference point of how bad this class is.

And i like to call the things by it’s name and ranger right now is the pariah of all the professions in GW2. You maybe don’t like the truth and that’s all right but with this balance changes we have been deeply nerffed that will aggravate the feelings when compared to other classes in game.
I can’t find any other adjectives to define the changes in this class and i think the final use of the profession will mark that feeling in all of rangers. You only need to read the forums to see how much the community is very disappointed with Anet.

Levetty.1279:

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

Post like these from blind Anet fans is why Anet doesn’t see anything wrong with how bad the balancing in this game is.

Well at least you can point a finger. Too bad you can’t read what a person wrote. But I don’t blame you. You all are probably at an overly aggressive state because of the nerfs and I feel for you.

But don’t drag me to the desperate state of yours. I’m not interested. If my days as a Ranger main end – I’ll reroll. No offense, but I don’t see how degrading my behavior to an 8 year old kid would help me get anywhere.

anduriell.6280:

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

It is not about being meta and you know that already. But when no ranger is meta there is something objective yo can use to get a reference point of how bad this class is.

And i like to call the things by it’s name and ranger right now is the pariah of all the professions in GW2. You maybe don’t like the truth and that’s all right but with this balance changes we have been deeply nerffed that will aggravate the feelings when compared to other classes in game.
I can’t find any other adjectives to define the changes in this class and i think the final use of the profession will mark that feeling in all of rangers. You only need to read the forums to see how much the community is very disappointed with Anet.

Don’t get me wrong, I intend to make a summary of what went wrong (and there’s plenty of it) with their current changes tomorrow, since it’s late night at my place and I’m kind of tired already.

But all the fuss you make about these changes really feels like I’ve mistaken this place for a rebel camp. And I really had higher hopes for this community.
If you feel like something is wrong – say it. Do not try to show that your life is an agony, do not make yourself a victim, just say what went wrong, why and how it can be improved.

A-net clearly listened to us in several things, so far, from which some were really good ideas and some were … Well … Pointless fancy stuff (like healing Spring a trap) that wasn’t needed and I said it when the idea came out in forums. But no one listened and now everyone complains about what we asked for. And I fail to get amused once again.

But that’s how it goes. So calm down till I create a meaningful and complex topic about all the changes, explanations and reasoning. There will be plenty of space to express your feelings about that particular subject.

I’m not insulting anyone here, but I just want to point out that you now have to press F in front of cows to make them happy, to complete the first heart in Queensdale, because there are obviously people out there who are otherwise overchallenged.

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

It is not about being meta and you know that already. But when no ranger is meta there is something objective yo can use to get a reference point of how bad this class is.

And i like to call the things by it’s name and ranger right now is the pariah of all the professions in GW2. You maybe don’t like the truth and that’s all right but with this balance changes we have been deeply nerffed that will aggravate the feelings when compared to other classes in game.
I can’t find any other adjectives to define the changes in this class and i think the final use of the profession will mark that feeling in all of rangers. You only need to read the forums to see how much the community is very disappointed with Anet.

Don’t get me wrong, I intend to make a summary of what went wrong (and there’s plenty of it) with their current changes tomorrow, since it’s late night at my place and I’m kind of tired already.

But all the fuss you make about these changes really feels like I’ve mistaken this place for a rebel camp. And I really had higher hopes for this community.
If you feel like something is wrong – say it. Do not try to show that your life is an agony, do not make yourself a victim, just say what went wrong, why and how it can be improved.

A-net clearly listened to us in several things, so far, from which some were really good ideas and some were … Well … Pointless fancy stuff (like healing Spring a trap) that wasn’t needed and I said it when the idea came out in forums. But no one listened and now everyone complains about what we asked for. And I fail to get amused once again.

But that’s how it goes. So calm down till I create a meaningful and complex topic about all the changes, explanations and reasoning. There will be plenty of space to express your feelings about that particular subject.

That’s new, i need someone to create a meaningful and complex topic to complain about everyone else sees. Interesting…

anduriell.6280:

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That’s new, i need someone to create a meaningful and complex topic to complain about everyone else sees. Interesting…

Every single topic made is nothing but a mere loud cry with a slight scratch or hint of the problem till now. Do you, by any chance want to tell me that what everyone else sees is not true?

I don’t even know why I’m replying to this when I already know the point was to attack my person in a passively aggressive way…

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

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That’s new, i need someone to create a meaningful and complex topic to complain about everyone else sees. Interesting…

Every single topic made is nothing but a mere loud cry with a slight scratch or hint of the problem till now. Do you, by any chance want to tell me that what everyone else sees is not true?

I don’t even know why I’m replying to this when I already know the point was to attack my person in a passively aggressive way…

Ofc no problem. Look just one thread (not mine) that explains everything not only in the title but also within the content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Horrid-changes/first#post5148777
The one i openned with some point made is this one if you want to share your thoughts, that are always welcome.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Changes-are-welcome-yet-dissapointing/first#post5148880

Tragic Positive.9356:

Levetty.1279:

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

because Anet sees the rangers as the pariah in GW2. Not funny at all after all the hours invested in my ranger.

Just stop it.
It’s not funny, it’s not interesting and I already saw that on twelve different places today. Just stop. However much your feelings got hurt you haven’t even tried the bloody changes and yet you cry here a river.

Dude, if the Ranger is too weak we’ll find that out ourselves. But for Christ’s sake, I couldn’t really care less about the exaggeration you make. Do you think I’m playing the Ranger because it’s the meta? Do you really believe that anyone here does?
Just please, pretty please… Stop that bloody circus of yours.

Post like these from blind Anet fans is why Anet doesn’t see anything wrong with how bad the balancing in this game is.

Well at least you can point a finger. Too bad you can’t read what a person wrote. But I don’t blame you. You all are probably at an overly aggressive state because of the nerfs and I feel for you.

But don’t drag me to the desperate state of yours. I’m not interested. If my days as a Ranger main end – I’ll reroll. No offense, but I don’t see how degrading my behavior to an 8 year old kid would help me get anywhere.

Thats an incredably pretentious way of saying you have nothing to add to the conversation and just want to come here to insult people.

I for one enjoyed the changes they showed. Yes some things were not addressed that should have been but I think what we got was decent. Better than what necro got lolz. They can now kill themselves by using an elite. So I wouldnt worry about them for a while. I would worry about godmode engis and eles though. They just got buffed through the roof and into orbit.

It does seem that pve damage was hit pretty badly.

I’m not convinced the spirit or trap changes will do anything either.

FrownyClown.8402:

so u can technically use lb with the lightning spirit and 6s daze someone, followed by undefendable damage. goodbye thieves and necros.

yes son, in your mind.