Guild Wars 2

Hey Guys,
im playing just a few weeks a ranger and know by far not everything about the ranger thats why i try to get some help here.

Its about what possibilities i have as ranger to play well at WvW specially at Zergs like 30+ People.

Atm im running a Gs/longbow comb. with spirits which is so far for me rlly good and working nice but after running all day long this comb im searching something new.

Also i was trying Trapper ranger which was also funny and working good.

Which options are left for me?
I like beeing tanky enough to stay a bit into the zerg but also deal a good amount of Dmg for getting some bags.

So far i allways used the Knight set with superior runes of the pack and also pow/pec/tough which was working good.

Someone know any other ways to play the ranger for WvW zerg30+ which is tanky and even deal a bit dmg ?

BM isnt good i think cause the pet will die way to fast for doing any Dmg

Would glad to hear some answers

TurboGolom.1329:

Which options are left for me?
I like beeing tanky enough to stay a bit into the zerg but also deal a good amount of Dmg for getting some bags.

I like my 10/0/30/30/0 shortbow condition/vitality build very much. It guarantees a very big condition dmg output and a high survivability, which makes it easy to fight 7 out of 8 gw2 classes, the only con is, that this build doesn’t offer any effective aoe’s to face stealth spamming thieves.

are you using traps to even burst more with your condition dmg or you just focus on bleed with shortbow ?

TurboGolom.1329:

are you using traps to even burst more with your condition dmg or you just focus on bleed with shortbow ?

I occasionaly use traps with this build when i join a zerg, but usually i go without. I used to run a seperate build focused on traps, but it was less effective against all classes except thieves.
When i roam solo or with a small group i switch between shortbow/axe&horn and use the following skills: “signet of the hunt” and “lightning reflexes” almost always. “Sun spirit” also works great with a condition build (3k+ fire dmg in 2-3 sec).

If u use BM type and pet die fast try range pet they fire support from long range when zerg vs zerg.Spider for poison/catch.Devourer for sankitten & interrup or Moa / Green dog passive mode for station boon maker.

Myself I use rampage pre/pow/condi on 50+ vs50+ vs50+ too many laggy.
But I try to stay in 2nd line front line sometime.

Today I use 20/20/30/0/0 for overall going in WWW. SB/GS Wilderness Survival type.
Use muddy terran(Distrub zergball) and L.reflex and signet of hunt.
And pet I use ice dog(Chill slow them down both victim and skill) and wolf(Fear interrup stomp heal etc…).

About trap type I use 0/30/30/5/5.
Flame/Spike/Viper is useful for me try to run and scream like girly victim on enemy face and lure them to our trap and make them suffer…
Viper trap is good to melt regen class spec or use on enemy b4 enemy heal.

And another inspiration

Faux’s “RRR” Build – Detailed.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Faux-s-RRR-Build-Detailed/first

I Try this in PvP 3thief can’t 222 to kill me death on healing spring only pure glasscannon can kill in me 2hit but…if u can’t kill me next turn is your’s.
I adap this build to my use 0/0/30/10/30 use shout sick’em+Guard and Signet of wild.
On WWW I must collect more mat to craft my new gear(And skin too).

Technobabble Volume 2 – Daze Build

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Technobabble-Volume-2-Daze-Build/first#post1961565

This guy have a lot of idea for ranger(Look his history) and another class he build,Yes I like it.And I die trying lol dam my type and my skill not good enough to match him.

Introducing the Phantom Catmaster

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Introducing-the-Phantom-Catmaster

Don’t call me cat we eat you alive
This build is anoyying type on WWW when enemy yell in map chat
“hahaha pet ranger is useless dumpAI no dmg!!!”
They know they get a wrong idea after pay repair bill in next life.

thy so far for the answers
@Silverkung thy for your work and for posting the builds etc the problem ist most oft the builds are for 1vs1 situations and not for big zergs like 40people+

Im rlly looking for a zerg build instead of a solo roaming build
playing at a group is more my playstytle but thx for your answer

open for new Zerg builds but thy so far

When looking for zerg build remember one thing: as soon as you meet organized zerg and you are glass cannon or sth close to it, you are free rally. ZvZ (organized) prefers tanky/balanced builds.

Ok TurboGolom.1329 I am sorry for not give you a right answer.
But Let me here to watch and learn more idea in here too xD .

Terkov.4138:

When looking for zerg build remember one thing: as soon as you meet organized zerg and you are glass cannon or sth close to it, you are free rally. ZvZ (organized) prefers tanky/balanced builds.

This ^

The way you play in zerg combat is so different from small group/roaming that the builds have almost no crossover. A great example is just our heal skill. Trolls is a very, very good heal but if you are running it in a group fight you are denying your team pretty much the best water field in the game (about the only place we definitively shine above others in wvw in higher tiers) where as using spring in 1on1 might give condition removal, but also causes you to miss out on a pretty big chunk of healing.

The same goes for BM builds. Pets still melt so fast in a zerg that you should be happy that they don’t give bags and wxp to your enemies yet it could be a very powerful roaming build if used by the right player.

na glasscannon and Bm isnt an option for me you told allready the reason.
so the only way to play at big zergs is trapper/condition or on spirits ( which are a bit useless compared to the support of other classes)
or even power/longbow ( which i play actual)

but thx for your helpfull answers

Am i the only one who feels so useless in wvw and pve without piercing arrows? :’(

Possibly. I can do just fine without piercing arrows in WvW.

It’s not for the loot, but on a fight versus multiple targets, hitting one at a time makes me cringe.

TurboGolom.1329:

na glasscannon and Bm isnt an option for me you told allready the reason.
so the only way to play at big zergs is trapper/condition or on spirits ( which are a bit useless compared to the support of other classes)
or even power/longbow ( which i play actual)

but thx for your helpfull answers

You’re doing it wrong.

Pure glass cannon LB is the only way to play when you zerg surf. The most efficient way to farm bags and wxp is to tag as many people as possible with enough damage to qualify for loot when they die.

This is not a trinity game where you can tank. The best kind of mitigation are things like dodge/invulnerability/blind, not toughness. Once you’re zerg surfing, toughness is irrelevant. You should be pew pewing from the back of your zerg. The way I look at it, it’s like I have 500k+ hp/500k+ toughness, (i.e. my zerg) if they cut through all that and get to me, another 3k is not going to matter. And if you run SotH/GS/LR, you can get away fairly easily often times even when they do.

Straegen.2938:

Aridia.3042:

Pure glass cannon LB is the only way to play when you zerg surf. The most efficient way to farm bags and wxp is to tag as many people as possible with enough damage to qualify for loot when they die.

Qualifying for a bag requires very little damage. Also without toughness getting to a zerg is more difficult, , portal bombing is really risky, skill lag kills when they heals cannot go off and the zerg getting hit in the back folds GCs like a cheap suit. Pumping up the power is great, but toughness still remains incredibly important in fights otherwise a player spends a lot of time on the dirt instead of tagging.

I know on my thief I still hunt GCs in the back because I can usually kill 4-5 before they realize what is bringing them down.

Having a low damage requirement for loot still requires some kind of threshold that you will not meet as quickly as a GC, especially for a non burst class like the ranger. If the difference is 2 hits vs 1 hit, you’ve basically reduced your farming rate by half. And you’ll need more than 2 hits if you’re blowing it all on toughness.

I’ve never been ganked by a thief in the back of a zerg. T1 rolls with 40 to 50+ zergs, it’s pretty hard for a thief to flank and get out when you stay right in the center mass.

I actually find skill lag works in my favor as long as you position yourself properly. Having nothing but 1 to spam increases the ranger survivability. C&D, killshot, RTL/firegrab, bullrush/100 blades and the like are all off the menu during skill lag. So the only thing that could kill you is getting focused fire by range. Which all boils back to being a positioning issue.

if you are dedicated ranger player well go play with whatever build you like… no matter what people say you ll have your fun…

if you are dedicated WvW player who wants to be a force to be reckoned in a large group fight, well then play ANYTHING but a ranger…

the Anet ranger is not meant for WvW… its all designed and tested on sPvP/tPvP aspect of the game, and in there ranger does quite good with 2 main builds

edit: well you can call roaming is a form of WvW (i dont) and use your bunker or trapper build for that…

Seyyah.6135:

if you are dedicated ranger player well go play with whatever build you like… no matter what people say you ll have your fun…

if you are dedicated WvW player who wants to be a force to be reckoned in a large group fight, well then play ANYTHING but a ranger…

the Anet ranger is not meant for WvW… its all designed and tested on sPvP/tPvP aspect of the game, and in there ranger does quite good with 2 main builds

edit: well you can call roaming is a form of WvW (i dont) and use your bunker or trapper build for that…

Funny, because I wreck WvW with longbow zerker warrior with piercing arrows.

Unless you know, retaliation.